Vito, yes, I know what you mean. That’s because the loops became so floppy they would slap into the case wall and would scratch the same spot on the frame each time. the result on the screen is a black line (or green emulsion line) in the center of the frame. It leave an interesting visual mark, which begs the question “how’d they scratch the exact same spot on every frame?”.
Anyone whose seen a 35mm projector cranking along at 24fps, watching that film flap in the upper and lower loops, and wondering “why doesn’t that just fly apart?” can only imagine doubling that size to 70mm, and then upping the speed to 30fps! Wow.
Some of these early 70mm Todd-AO films were shot at 30 frames per second, instead of the normal 24 FPS to smooth out the judder and motion flicker (in fact, I think some were shot twice, with two cameras one at 30, the other at the standard 24).
I have to echo Bill’s comments. The Lafayette has been almost like a second home to me where I was among friends, where I met many new friends, and where I helped participate in the production and exposition of some of the shows. I was proud to share my “special film materials” with them, and I appreciate being listed as one of the “Friends of the Lafayette”. I’m going to miss the Lafayette. I understand Rhett’s disappointment. I share his concerns about the time chosen for the new shows. I work too, I know what he means. In my case, the Lafayette was close to home, the day and hours for the programs were convenient, and it’s best damn venue in the area. Hopefully the future will hold good news and some day, hopefully, we’ll be back at the Lafayette, our home.
No disrespect intended, but the building does look horrible. With all the hodge podge additions the building underwent it is an ugly structure. Being 50 years old, and neglected, it is probably in a state where it would cost more to renovate it for any type of reuse than it would to tear down and put up some shiny new building. You can be sure that AMC is the reason for the non-compete clause. This is typical in the industry.
I was referring to the text entry box, where you type your reply. It has no scroll bars to effectively move around once the number of lines exceeds the box size. Your text just vanishes. Yes, the up/down arrow keys work, but it’s a real pain. The scroll should be automatic as you type.
As for the length of this tread, that length doesn’t matter. Just hit END and you go to the end of the thread in one keystroke.
I also won’t boycott, because it won’t matter, and I do want to see the show.
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me why the comments box here on this web site does not have a SCROLL BAR when you have filled it with text. Your text and cursor vanishes below the bottom of the box and while your text is still being inputted, you CAN’T SEE IT OR CORRECT IT.
Webmasters: This has been a constant issue with this web site. It’s the ONLY web site out there like this. Can you PLEASE get with the times and fix this?
Opps there goes my text, I’m typing blind again…
And no, having to constantly use the up and down arrows to follow my text ISN’T the answer. We need a scroll bar and automatic scrolling as you type – just like every other web site.
I’m planning on seeing that Broadway revival too. We hope to go in April. The tickets are not cheap, I think they were $120 a seat, which I think is outrageous, and should “boycott” those prices, but that won’t have any effect. Besides, I’d like to see a stage rendition of this even if it isn’t the cast I’m used to, and that some of the musical numbers may be in different places.
@Mpol, that was an inside joke between Bill and myself. It isn’t another theater I was alluding too, but Bill certainly knows what I mean.
Howard, while using the curtains might “wear then out” and cause malfunction, I take that as a ZERO excuse. Up in Suffern the Lafayette uses their curtains on EVERY SINGLE SHOW. That means it opens and closes daily several times, seven days a week. In my years of being associated with the Lafayette, I don’t recall ever hearing that the curtain broke and needed to be fixed. And what if it did break? The Ziegfeld can’t afford to fix it? This is a “for profit” theater which you know is making money or it would have been closed long ago, torn down, and a office building or parking lot put there.
I think Clearview a) doesn’t care, and b) that staff couldn’t be bothered to do it right.
What Vito just said is correct. That’s how you do it.
I don’t understand it. Why don’t they just automate the curtain?
And even as such, how hard is it to press an “open” and “close” button which you can be sure is right next to the projector motor switch.
Wow, it’s so hard. Power projector motor, open douser, push curtain open button, press changeover button to open the light to the screen.
And if it is digital, there’s even less of an excuse because the curtain could be integrated into the DP automation. You can be sure that’s a one button start sequence.
One of the nicest theaters left and they don’t care about their showmanship.
Oh by the way, for any one that’s interested. If you were planning on attending “It’s a Wonderful Life” next Saturday at the Lafayette in Suffern NY, you should know the show is already ½ sold out from online & box office pre-sales. If you want to go, either get there real early, or go to the bigscreenclassic.com page for order instructions. Merry Xmas!
The key is “will the film pay for itself”. They usually do, especially given the home after market.
So they will keep making these films as long as there is money to be made.
It’s always about the money. Not the quality. You can be sure all involved though it was a good project and a great film, but I said it earlier. You can’t remake classic.
Of course you have to see it, I would expect nothing less from you Bill. You also don’t have to like it either. You also know that you and I also have great disagreements in what we like. We both like things the other one hates – and that’s good. We await your honest opinion.
Glitch or whatever, it’s time to move on. I consider it case closed.
Vito – I looked briefly at a review this morning. Two (**) stars. Not good. The title on the front page of the Bergen Record “Better Living” section is “Extreme Makeover” regarding the movie.
Two stars, coupled with that headline is enough for me to place it in my Netflix queue and wait until spring to see it. I’d rather spend my $9 (well, $7) at the Lafayette on a classic.
I had a feeling it was going to stink. Remakes of classic films have stunk since “The Time Machine” was remade, and possibly before.
It’s simple, you just can’t remake something that has existed for 50 years, is considered “classic” and expect it to be “better”. The overuse of CGI, while being “cool” doesn’t help either.
Think of the tornado in The Wizard Of OZ, and that lost art of special effects. Today, a “Dorothy” would act against a green screen, and the rest would be a virtual world. You can’t remake classic.
OK, so let’s clear the air once and for all. WHO made the deletions here? Was it you Howard, or was it someone else? If someone else, WHO told them to do it?
I think we have all reached the point where we can agree the deletions were wrong, and won’t happen again (I hope). Nobody is talking about the hot dog stand across the street from the theater, and what if they did, who cares? Life isn’t about “staying on topic”.
I am of the frame of mind that anything said, is of importance or relevance.
Now, I’ll feel a lot better if I see a post from Vito.
“Few of them, though, were crass enough to have the unbridled nerve to state publicly: "But, please tell us who the 2nd one is, so it can be figured out whether that’s good or bad.” Good or bad? This in itself is so overwhelmingly, breathtakingly “superior-feeling” of you and so utterly and completely contemptuous of your contributors as to be beyond any gentlemanly discussion."
Wow. Thank you RowJ, I think that deserved repeating…
I’m the 2nd one. So, is it good, or is it bad?
Talk about a sarcastic attitude toward contributors. Beyond belief.
If certain people had not taken it upon themselves to play self imposed censors or “topicality traffic cops”, none of this would have happened. It was absolutely WRONG to delete those posts yesterday, and I’m furious it happened. I hope Vito decides to stay, and I hope this incident never happens again – nor do I hope we have to “watch what we say or talk about” in this forum, or sure as can be, I’m leaving too.
“Above at August 15, 2008, the site’s policy is reiterated.”
From 8/15:
“Posting off-topic comments that taunt or bait other users”
Nobody “taunted or baited” anyone. That’s the only thing I can see from the August 15th post “rules” about “off topic” posts. You had no right to delete posts because the guys were discussing another film at some other theater. I resent you acting as a self appointed censor. I agree with Bill, I want to hear ANYTHING that Vito has to say. Put the posts back.
“When people receive emails in their mailboxes that there’s another Ziegfeld post, they expect it is actually about the Ziegfeld, NOT about any movie playing at other theaters.”
NO…
When I receive an email that there’s a message in the Ziegfeld thread, I expect it to be there, regardless of what it’s about. I don’t expect it to be deleted because “you didn’t like it”. Why don’t you apply the same rules to ALL THE OTHER THREADS on every other theater on CT that goes “off topic”? (and there are MANY) Don’t play censorship traffic cop here.
Vito, yes, I know what you mean. That’s because the loops became so floppy they would slap into the case wall and would scratch the same spot on the frame each time. the result on the screen is a black line (or green emulsion line) in the center of the frame. It leave an interesting visual mark, which begs the question “how’d they scratch the exact same spot on every frame?”.
Thanks Vito.
Anyone whose seen a 35mm projector cranking along at 24fps, watching that film flap in the upper and lower loops, and wondering “why doesn’t that just fly apart?” can only imagine doubling that size to 70mm, and then upping the speed to 30fps! Wow.
Some of these early 70mm Todd-AO films were shot at 30 frames per second, instead of the normal 24 FPS to smooth out the judder and motion flicker (in fact, I think some were shot twice, with two cameras one at 30, the other at the standard 24).
Vito, can you add anything about this?
I have to echo Bill’s comments. The Lafayette has been almost like a second home to me where I was among friends, where I met many new friends, and where I helped participate in the production and exposition of some of the shows. I was proud to share my “special film materials” with them, and I appreciate being listed as one of the “Friends of the Lafayette”. I’m going to miss the Lafayette. I understand Rhett’s disappointment. I share his concerns about the time chosen for the new shows. I work too, I know what he means. In my case, the Lafayette was close to home, the day and hours for the programs were convenient, and it’s best damn venue in the area. Hopefully the future will hold good news and some day, hopefully, we’ll be back at the Lafayette, our home.
No disrespect intended, but the building does look horrible. With all the hodge podge additions the building underwent it is an ugly structure. Being 50 years old, and neglected, it is probably in a state where it would cost more to renovate it for any type of reuse than it would to tear down and put up some shiny new building. You can be sure that AMC is the reason for the non-compete clause. This is typical in the industry.
“What are the chances of prices coming down if people DON’T boycott?”
The answer, in my opinion, is NONE either way.
MPol, Bill said:
I got “Billy Elliot” tickets. The closest date I could get for the seats I wanted: July 4th."
Don’t know what the WSS play wait time situation is yet. We haven’t tried to get our tickets yet.
@Mpol,
I was referring to the text entry box, where you type your reply. It has no scroll bars to effectively move around once the number of lines exceeds the box size. Your text just vanishes. Yes, the up/down arrow keys work, but it’s a real pain. The scroll should be automatic as you type.
As for the length of this tread, that length doesn’t matter. Just hit END and you go to the end of the thread in one keystroke.
I also won’t boycott, because it won’t matter, and I do want to see the show.
OK, a tad “off topic” here for the moment.
Can somebody PLEASE explain to me why the comments box here on this web site does not have a SCROLL BAR when you have filled it with text. Your text and cursor vanishes below the bottom of the box and while your text is still being inputted, you CAN’T SEE IT OR CORRECT IT.
Webmasters: This has been a constant issue with this web site. It’s the ONLY web site out there like this. Can you PLEASE get with the times and fix this?
Opps there goes my text, I’m typing blind again…
And no, having to constantly use the up and down arrows to follow my text ISN’T the answer. We need a scroll bar and automatic scrolling as you type – just like every other web site.
I’m planning on seeing that Broadway revival too. We hope to go in April. The tickets are not cheap, I think they were $120 a seat, which I think is outrageous, and should “boycott” those prices, but that won’t have any effect. Besides, I’d like to see a stage rendition of this even if it isn’t the cast I’m used to, and that some of the musical numbers may be in different places.
@Mpol, that was an inside joke between Bill and myself. It isn’t another theater I was alluding too, but Bill certainly knows what I mean.
Bill, I know a better place to show WSS. :)
Howard, while using the curtains might “wear then out” and cause malfunction, I take that as a ZERO excuse. Up in Suffern the Lafayette uses their curtains on EVERY SINGLE SHOW. That means it opens and closes daily several times, seven days a week. In my years of being associated with the Lafayette, I don’t recall ever hearing that the curtain broke and needed to be fixed. And what if it did break? The Ziegfeld can’t afford to fix it? This is a “for profit” theater which you know is making money or it would have been closed long ago, torn down, and a office building or parking lot put there.
I think Clearview a) doesn’t care, and b) that staff couldn’t be bothered to do it right.
What Vito just said is correct. That’s how you do it.
Hi Vito.
I don’t understand it. Why don’t they just automate the curtain?
And even as such, how hard is it to press an “open” and “close” button which you can be sure is right next to the projector motor switch.
Wow, it’s so hard. Power projector motor, open douser, push curtain open button, press changeover button to open the light to the screen.
And if it is digital, there’s even less of an excuse because the curtain could be integrated into the DP automation. You can be sure that’s a one button start sequence.
One of the nicest theaters left and they don’t care about their showmanship.
Oh by the way, for any one that’s interested. If you were planning on attending “It’s a Wonderful Life” next Saturday at the Lafayette in Suffern NY, you should know the show is already ½ sold out from online & box office pre-sales. If you want to go, either get there real early, or go to the bigscreenclassic.com page for order instructions. Merry Xmas!
“One good thing about the remakes: they make you appreciate the quality of the originals more than you ever thought possible.”
How true!
There were no kind words for this film at the Lafayette this morning.
The key is “will the film pay for itself”. They usually do, especially given the home after market.
So they will keep making these films as long as there is money to be made.
It’s always about the money. Not the quality. You can be sure all involved though it was a good project and a great film, but I said it earlier. You can’t remake classic.
Bill: Spoilers at that link? I don’t want to read it if there are spoilers.
Save your money and buy another BD disc.
Of course you have to see it, I would expect nothing less from you Bill. You also don’t have to like it either. You also know that you and I also have great disagreements in what we like. We both like things the other one hates – and that’s good. We await your honest opinion.
I would skip CHE.
Vito, welcome back.
Glitch or whatever, it’s time to move on. I consider it case closed.
Vito – I looked briefly at a review this morning. Two (**) stars. Not good. The title on the front page of the Bergen Record “Better Living” section is “Extreme Makeover” regarding the movie.
Two stars, coupled with that headline is enough for me to place it in my Netflix queue and wait until spring to see it. I’d rather spend my $9 (well, $7) at the Lafayette on a classic.
I had a feeling it was going to stink. Remakes of classic films have stunk since “The Time Machine” was remade, and possibly before.
It’s simple, you just can’t remake something that has existed for 50 years, is considered “classic” and expect it to be “better”. The overuse of CGI, while being “cool” doesn’t help either.
Think of the tornado in The Wizard Of OZ, and that lost art of special effects. Today, a “Dorothy” would act against a green screen, and the rest would be a virtual world. You can’t remake classic.
OK, so let’s clear the air once and for all. WHO made the deletions here? Was it you Howard, or was it someone else? If someone else, WHO told them to do it?
I think we have all reached the point where we can agree the deletions were wrong, and won’t happen again (I hope). Nobody is talking about the hot dog stand across the street from the theater, and what if they did, who cares? Life isn’t about “staying on topic”.
I am of the frame of mind that anything said, is of importance or relevance.
Now, I’ll feel a lot better if I see a post from Vito.
RowJ – Thank you again.
“Few of them, though, were crass enough to have the unbridled nerve to state publicly: "But, please tell us who the 2nd one is, so it can be figured out whether that’s good or bad.” Good or bad? This in itself is so overwhelmingly, breathtakingly “superior-feeling” of you and so utterly and completely contemptuous of your contributors as to be beyond any gentlemanly discussion."
Wow. Thank you RowJ, I think that deserved repeating…
I’m the 2nd one. So, is it good, or is it bad?
Talk about a sarcastic attitude toward contributors. Beyond belief.
If certain people had not taken it upon themselves to play self imposed censors or “topicality traffic cops”, none of this would have happened. It was absolutely WRONG to delete those posts yesterday, and I’m furious it happened. I hope Vito decides to stay, and I hope this incident never happens again – nor do I hope we have to “watch what we say or talk about” in this forum, or sure as can be, I’m leaving too.
“Above at August 15, 2008, the site’s policy is reiterated.”
From 8/15:
“Posting off-topic comments that taunt or bait other users”
Nobody “taunted or baited” anyone. That’s the only thing I can see from the August 15th post “rules” about “off topic” posts. You had no right to delete posts because the guys were discussing another film at some other theater. I resent you acting as a self appointed censor. I agree with Bill, I want to hear ANYTHING that Vito has to say. Put the posts back.
“When people receive emails in their mailboxes that there’s another Ziegfeld post, they expect it is actually about the Ziegfeld, NOT about any movie playing at other theaters.”
NO…
When I receive an email that there’s a message in the Ziegfeld thread, I expect it to be there, regardless of what it’s about. I don’t expect it to be deleted because “you didn’t like it”. Why don’t you apply the same rules to ALL THE OTHER THREADS on every other theater on CT that goes “off topic”? (and there are MANY) Don’t play censorship traffic cop here.