AMC Loews Lincoln Square 13 with IMAX

1998 Broadway,
New York, NY 10023

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alpinedownhiller on January 12, 2017 at 10:02 pm

OK, slightly more briefly this time.

The long and short of it is I was super looking forward to getting to Rogue One on a giant screen with Laser 3D IMAX but this theater has messed up glasses! As best as I can tell they only applied all the proper notch filters to a thin band on the right eye lenses here so the left side and right side of the right lenses in the glasses here let through at least one and think more of the primaries that only the left eye should see to some degree. With how far away from your eye the glasses here sit that thin band isn’t nearly enough to cover your eye’s FOV. You’d need to sit 10 rows behind, at the least, the back row here on a screen half the size for it to work. This means that for most people the left side of the screen will exhibit moderate to extreme ghosting effects or minor to considerable sort of odd dusty loss of detail when you are facing straight forward and looking straight forward (facing right and looking back left the entire screen would look bad, facing left and looking back right most of the screen would look fine, maybe just a bit on the left edge still off a little). They need to give refunds and fix this ASAP. It’s crazy this premier location might give Laser 3D IMAX a bad name over them having either cheaped out on the glasses at this installation or not bothered to test them. Really disappointed after having planned this and looked forward to it for so long.

Unless maybe my friend and I were just that unlucky to get two of the worst pairs of glasses here. Maybe some or most are better? Two for two makes me think at least a good chunk of the glasses here are defective.

The Boston Laser 3D IMAX (quite small lenses) glasses are perfect and have none of these issues and the projection in 3D is beyond incredible. Here with the bad glasses (also smaller lenses than normal IMAX theaters, although I think larger than the ones at Boston were, not sure though, but whatever, the Boston ones, even if smaller, are so much better) here where the right eye is not coated properly, just a dab in the center, your left side FOV will be messed up to varying degrees.

I mean the center still looks pretty good for most scenes and the right side of the screen looks great and you can do the awkward thing below and still revel in the incredible Laser 3D IMAX somewhat but they gotta fix this. A disappointing disaster they have made with the glasses at this theater installation. Properly coated and kept clean. :(

(You can sort of get around the issue to a decent degree if you are sitting in center and then turn your head way to the left so it’s aiming just about at the left edge of the screen and then turn your eyes back to the right so they are looking almost all the way back to center. So long as you keep your head locked in that position facing way to the left and then and keep your eyes looking back towards the center or right most of the screen will look OK (although the very far left will still have a bit of ghosting in some scenes and maybe a few left side artifacts) as this means your eye is looking through the right lens at an angle which lets the narrow band where the notch filters were properly coated on to cover a wider part of your right eye’s FOV. But it’s kind of awkward to have to view a movie with extreme side look and not be able to move your head around. And if you were to be sitting on the left side of the theater I don’t even know what you’d do since your head would be aimed so far left how would you even see the right side of the screen much at all (unless maybe if you were that far left then you could simply face straight ahead and then naturally side look to the right??) And you have to turn your head so far to the left that the bottom right will be blocked by the edge of your glasses for your left eye.)

alpinedownhiller on January 12, 2017 at 9:30 pm

I had been looking forward to a special trip to Rogue One in Laser IMAX for a long time and was disappointed at the total mess this new installation has made of their Laser IMAX system. During the previews (well once they switched to the 3D ones, the 2D ones looked great as expected) I was like wait what is wrong? Why do I see ghosting and lack of detail on the left side of the screen??? Laser IMAX in Boston was PERFECTION, I’d been going on about how it was literally like you were there looking with your own eyes, the most amazing and 100% ghost free 3D I’d ever seen, so great it was almost like a new experience.

So I spent the first half the movie concentrating more on what the heck was going wrong, swapped glasses with my friend a few times and the other pair was only very marginally different was really kinda stunk. That’s not was I was looking forward too and had paid for.

I was wondering if maybe they switched the lasers to new frequencies and some quirk in my right eye was somehow still registering some of the left eye frequencies since I saw it with both pairs.

Then I went to the rest room and looked at the glasses under the fluorescent light bulbs in there and noticed that the right eye lens seemed odd, it seemed like only a skinny band in the middle was pink tinted and the rest looked plain or green like the left eye lens. Then I put them on and closed my right eye and looked through the left and everything from looked green tinted, although even there some patches were a bit closer to normal, but at least anywhere at all near the center had a strong green tint and even the edges had at least some green so it seemed possibly OK (and during the movie closing my right and looking only with the left it seemed like the entire screen was pretty much ghost free). Then I closed my left eye and looked through the right and was horrified! Everything dead center looked pink but to the right it looked only slightly pink with a few hints of green and to the left it looked green! That means that large portions of the right lenses in the glasses here are missing the notch filter to cut out left eye signal for at least one or more of the primaries.

So I think they set up this premier theater location to show off their new Laser IMAX system and didn’t even bother to check the darn glasses and I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire batch they gave this center have the right eye lenses manufactured totally wrong!

If your eyes are more wide set than mine, you’d probably see ghosting on both left and right side of the screen and fine in the middle and a large area to either side around the center. If they are like mine or more narrow set though from center to the farthest right edge will look perfect, fantastic, but slightly left of center ghosting and/or general lack of detail/dusty feeling starts and it gets worse as you look farther left.

It was ultra noticeable on those transparent screens in the rebel base that had minty green lines and stuff on them, through the right eye you see extreme double vision on the entire left half of the screen, the a pair of minty lines and then a second, highly offset pair off off-yellow lines (which was some of what was supposed to be the signal for the left eye only).

I think they were either trying to be so cheap with the expensive coatings to try to get away with only coating them strongly in the center and way, way overdid for the right eyes or simply had a major manufacturing errors that applied the coatings to the center of the right eye and barely at all across the rest of the lens! I can’t quite remember if these were the same type the Boston Laser IMAX had. I almost thought the Boston ones had even a bit smaller and more curved lenses. Maybe people complained and they went to slightly larger ones but the Boston ones at least had proper coatings across the entire surface of each lens.! Way better. They worked so perfectly it was crazy.

I don’t know if it’s all tje glasses, some, most, just a few and my friend and I were that unlucky to both get pairs. But I’d hope our luck wouldn’t be worse than 1 in 10 in which case at least 30% of the glasses are totally messed up at this supposedly premier installation that has the most expensive tickets of probably any theater in the whole U.S. and a theater that costs a lot of money just to even get to if you come in from out of the city.

I see someone mention a problem above where they saw lower left all blurred and ghosted. Not sure if that means the really saw the upper left fine and maybe it’s random how bad and patchy the coatings are and some are perfect, some terrible, some varying degrees of inbetween.

But man, mega bummed after all that waiting and expense and time.

I did find that if I turned my head to face the left edge of the screen and then looked towards the right, so my eyes are now basically looking near dead center, looking at the screen with side look, that I was able to see the entire center of the screen fine and the whole right side fine and much of the left not too badly although a few bits woukd still have a bit of defect especially toward far left edges. So I did end up watching the last half of the movie like that. (trying to slide the glasses over left on my nose to center my right eye in the pink strip didn’t work since if I slid the glasses far enough over to rid all ghosting and defects on the left side of the screen then the right side got those problems instead since the right side of the right lenses also didn’t have all notch filters applied properly). It was sort of awkward, having to hold my eyes in extreme side look for an hour and I had to always face my head towards the left and was not free to swing my head to look around. Held like that it was sort of OK, but….

I will say where the glasses did work perfectly the display was fantastic and as I recalled from Boston te 3D was just so utterly naturally unlike anything you see in any other type of 3D projection.

It’s a huge shame and really disgrace that they have such a serious problem with the glasses at this theater. How this could pass the installation quality control I have no idea.

I have to say I shocked to not see post after post above raving about how insanely fantastic IMAX Laser projection is for 3D. Maybe this explains it. Maybe all the glasses here are bum and none of you have seen what IMAX 3D Laser is really supposed to be like. None knew how utterly perfect it is supposed to be so didn’t even try to do weird maneuvers to force the glasses to begin to sort of work correctly.

Basically if you just view through the glasses straight on normally and don’t have extra wide set eyes and just look around and view normally half your field of visions will see small to major (like larger than I’ve seen from any other 3D tech ever) ghosting and varying degrees of loss of detail and fidelity.

They need to fix this ASAP. Either stop cheaping out and use full quality glasses like in Boston or toss this perhaps simply instead bad batch of glasses in the trash and send them a new working supply. This will not show case Laser 3D IMAX the way it should be and will hurt their brand name.

People should be going insane over how beyond fanstatic the 3D is. This place should be filled with post after post raving about it. Instead I see like no raves and already a few complaints were people seem vaguely unsure what was going on.

poland626 on January 4, 2017 at 8:09 pm

@optimist008 like, a 5 second google search will show you this wasn’t a screening of the movie but 7 minutes of clips as a “teaser” for imax viewers

optimist008 on January 4, 2017 at 5:17 pm

Was the showing of Dunkirk a test, advanced or just a private screening??? I previously went to a few tests screenngs here when they were more common, and have not seen the folks outside from NRG or wherever doing the invites lately…or maybe I am looking at the wrong time of day???

Movie_Time on January 4, 2017 at 1:47 pm

jmcr8: I agree with you completely on the new 3D glasses. Not only are they too small a field of view, I also noticed that the left side felt a bit blurry towards the bottom of my left eye. Almost as if the coating on the 3D glasses for for that side was not applied correctly. Maybe if the glasses were larger like they used to be, it would have been less noticeable. After watching for a few minutes, I noticed it less.Did any of you guys or girls happen to notice this with your 3D glasses? I would love to hear if you did. Thanks

vertigoman on December 31, 2016 at 10:59 am

I saw the 10:30pm showing of Rogue One on December 15th, and again, I can confirm that Dunkirk was shown in 70mm IMAX. I corresponded with IMAX CQO David Keighley after the show and he further confirmed that Dunkirk was shown in 70mm, and he was personally in attendance to supervise the first screening of it.

There was no significant delay due to the switch of projectors. The running order was such: first they played the usual AMC/IMAX trailer welcoming people into the theater. Then, it appeared that the house lights and IMAX wall lights were manually switched off (they turned off suddenly, as opposed to a slow dim), and the 70mm projector was turned on immediately. Following Dunkirk, the IMAX wall lights and house lights came back on (again, this appeared to be done manually as they simply flipped on rather than fading in), and then trailers were shown on the laser projector.

During the switch as Dunkirk began, I looked up and could see that the dual laser projectors were stationed in the center of the booth, towards the top of the glass window. The 70mm projector was stationed below the laser projectors, between the two. When on, the projection beam from the 70mm projector came from underneath and between the positioning of the laser system. So it would have appeared that it was installed below and between the two laser projectors and not on a rail. The changeover between projection systems was practically instant – it did not appear that anything was physically moved during the presentation.

The email address for the IMAX CQO is displayed following all IMAX presentations – you can write to them directly if there is still any doubt regarding whether or not Dunkirk was shown on film.

jmcr8 on December 30, 2016 at 3:14 pm

I think the new renovation is nice. Dunkirk preview in my Rogue One showing filled the screen but seemed to be laser projected not 70mm film. I did notice some vertical lines showing through the top portion of the screen. Not sure if this is what people reported to need correcting from the early Fantastic Beasts showings.

The one downgrade I think is the new 3D glasses. The lenses are much smaller than the old glasses and really cramp your view. Whats the point of this giant screen if you’re looking at it through these restrictive little slits of plastic. If IMAX would make the new glasses as big or bigger than the old ones to keep the black lens frames out of your view this would really capitalize on the whole IMAX concept and make a much more impactful viewing experience.

Doctor on December 24, 2016 at 5:26 pm

with todays movie, i think i have seen all possible combinations of IMAX shot using normal camera => projected using 70 mm IMAX projector (Inception) shot using normal camera with some scenes shot using 70 mm IMAX camera => projected using 70 mm IMAX projector (Dark knight, Dark Knight rises, Interstellar) shot using normal camera with some scenes shot using digital IMAX camera => projected using digial IMAX projector (Transformers 4) shot using normal camera => projected using digital IMAX projector (Mission Impossible 4) shot using normal camera with some scenes shot using 70 mm IMAX camera => projected using laser IMAX projector (Dunkirk Prologue) shot using normal camera =>projected using laser IMAX projector (Rogue One)

Doctor on December 24, 2016 at 5:07 pm

Saw Rogue One today. And they showed the Dunkirk “prologue”. I looked back in the middle of the trailer and could see two projectors being used (which would imply they used the two projector IMAX Laser system). And for those of you who are wondering, yes the laser projection of Dunkirk prologue filled the ENTIRE screen! just like how it filled during the interstellar 70 mm IMAX scenes. So i am relieved now and am ready to say goodbye to 70 mm IMAX projectors (but not to 70 mm IMAX cameras as i believe you still need those)

FDJC38 on December 24, 2016 at 11:13 am

Is the seating set up basically the same? Any opinions on the best rows/seats since the renovation? Wanted to check out Rogue One this Monday, but A – D only thing left with center seats. E and F could be serviceable if not too close? Last time I was there I was in row H for Batman v Superman. Saw Force Awakens in J. Stoked for the new format and the movie. Just wanna make sure nothing’s changed too much before I grab tickets (ie. Rows the same, just less seats, etc). Thanks

xbs2034 on December 22, 2016 at 1:59 pm

They used 70mm IMAX (both 3D and 2D depending on the title) exclusively till Fall 2013.

Haven’t seen a ton of Dolby Cinema (3 films) or IMAX laser (just the last two Star Wars movies), but The Force Awakens is the one film I saw in both, and I do think Dolby Cinema had an advantage in the black levels, but in every other way (rest of image quality, the sound, and of course screen size) I preferred the IMAX laser version.

moviebuff82 on December 22, 2016 at 11:41 am

the lincoln square imax is the closest theater to see imax with laser. Last time i went there they used 70mm imax 3d and that was in the mid to late 90s.

Doctor on December 22, 2016 at 8:10 am

I think Dolby projectors will not be able to project to a large screen such as Lincoln 13 screen . So you cannot compare IMAX 70 mm with Dolby

Am yet to see IMAX laser

Imax123 on December 21, 2016 at 9:13 pm

CHH32- I know Dolby cinema offers a better picture quality than IMAX laser, when a movie in IMAX laser is presented in 1:43 it looks better than the non IMAX scenes in an IMAX laser presentation but do the 1:43 scenes of IMAX laser look better than Dolby cinema ? that’s my question. I have scene a movie in IMAX laser which was Batman vs superman and the 1:43 scenes looked awesome but didn’t look as good as IMAX 70mm but it does get close in terms of picture quality. And I know sully was shot with arri Alexa cameras and presented in 1:90 and Batman vs superman was shown at 1:90 at the tcl Chinese theatre but which offers a better picture quality BvS shot with real IMAX cameras presented at 1:90 in IMAX laser (some IMAX laser theatres project at 1:90 only) or sully shot with arri Alexa camera presented at 1:90 ? like I’ve said I heard IMAX laser 1:90 looks better than Dolby vision even though IMAX laser doesn’t support HDR yet. You probably saw the prologue of Dunkirk in IMAX laser, do think the 1:43 sequence of the Dunkirk prologue looks better than Dolby vision ? Sorry for asking the same question again but I would like to know since I’ve seen IMAX laser only.

CHH32 on December 21, 2016 at 5:32 pm

If it’s true Dunkirk prologue was in 70mm IMAX, it’s extremely like Dunkirk will be in 70mm next summer. Still can’t believe they keep both 70mm and laser projector.

Imax123 – 70mm IMAX camera <=> 1.43 in Laser and 70mm, 1.90 in digital IMAX. Alexa digital IMAX camera <=> 1.90 in both laser and digital(no 70mm version usually) So 1.43 is always better than 1.90 because it means they are shot in 70mm camera.

Dolby cinema just has higher contrast ratio than laser IMAX. Resolution is about the same – but Dolby cinema’s screen is way smaller than Lincoln Square IMAX.

Imax123 on December 21, 2016 at 1:11 pm

I’ve also heard IMAX laser has a better picture quality at 1:90 than at 1:43 because it’s native aspect ratio is 1:90 like the IMAX digital, so when they present a movie shot on the Alexa 65 in 1:90 aspect ratio it looks better than an IMAX laser presentation shown at 1:43 but on 1:43 on IMAX 70mm it beats a 1:90 and 1:43 laser presentation in terms of picture quality. I saw Batman vs superman in IMAX laser and the 1:43 scenes didn’t come close to IMAX 70mm resolution. This will my first Dolby cinema presentation during Rogue one, and of course it will look better than IMAX laser movies with non IMAX scenes but will it beat the 1:43 or 1:90 picture quality of a IMAX laser presentation I don’t know. So if I’m correctly estimating than best picture quality is 1:43 IMAX 70mm, 1:90 IMAX laser, than it will be IMAX laser 1::43 or Dolby vision, and I read and article about Batman vs superman being shown in 1:90 at the tcl chinese theatre and the IMAX scenes beat the picture quality of a Dolby cinema presentation, so does a movie filmed IMAX cameras being shown in IMAX laser 1:90 looks better than at 1:43 or the opposite ? This all hard to figure out but I’m curious!

Darth_Vader444 on December 21, 2016 at 6:37 am

I saw Rogue One on Fri at 6PM. This has become a Christmas tradition for my family. I thought the Dunkirk preview was unreal! Idk if it was laser or not but it filled the entire screen and it was incredible! I’m very excited to see that when it comes out. I absolutely Loved Rogue one and I really thought the new laser projection was a definite improvement on what was there before. Seeing Vader again was just unreal! Don’t worry, no spoilers here! lol. The seating was nice and comfy and a vast improvement on the old seating. I agree with what was said about the bathroom and the carpeting but I think the overall renovation was really awesome! I love the new screens on outside the theater and the Imax signs look epic! I’m super happy about my favorite Imax theater, and will be seeing Rogue One again at 1230 with my family. Can’t wait!!!

sharkypuffs on December 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

Happyman: I stand corrected. Though I’m still puzzled how they are able to fit both a 15/70 projector and a Laser projector up there, even with a rail system. Even the IMAX CMO, Eileen Campbell, stated on Twitter a few month ago that there was no room for both. I’d still prefer confirmation from the projectionist over the theater manager, (you’d be surprised how clueless management can be), but if that’s what they told you, I’ll take your word for it.

Saw Rogue One opening night (Thursday Dec. 16), first show, 7:00 pm and again on Friday at 6:00pm. I wonder if the latter showed the DUNKIRK preview on 15/70 film?

xbs2034: At least yours started late. Thursday night, I thought I was late, arriving at 6:45, for the 7:00pm show. There was still a long line, overflowing all the way to the top of escalator and they’d barely let anyone in. Plus, they were in the process of unboxing the 3D glasses manufactured by Dolby for IMAX Laser. I got inside at 7:00 on the dot. Theater was practically empty because tons of people were either at concessions or waiting to get their tickets taken. Rather than delay the show by a few minutes, (as they did several times with Episode VII last year) the DUNKIRK preview started promptly. Many people missed it as well as trailers for Transformers 5, The Mummy, Fast 8, Pirates 5, Spider-Man & GOTG 2. (So many sequels/remakes.)

MrReindeer on December 19, 2016 at 6:10 pm

At the 9:45 Rogue One showing this morning, one of the center speakers blew out about 45 minutes into the movie, making the dialogue sound muddled. Enough people complained that they stopped the movie and offered us all free movie passes, but most of the audience yelled for them to just play it anyway. They did, then gave us passes when we left (good for a standard movie I believe, not IMAX 3D). I just wanted to warn anyone concerned about whether they had fixed the speaker issue they were having with Fantastic Beasts.

xbs2034 on December 19, 2016 at 3:22 pm

Happyman: very interesting, and that confirms that there still is a rail system in place.

Also, when I saw Rogue One, the previews (beginning with Dunkirk) started about 10 minutes late, which I wonder was a consequence of doing some Dunkirk prologue showings with film (even with a rail system it probably takes a few minutes to switch between projectors, so they may have been falling behind schedule if they were doing the earlier prologue showings on 15/70).

happyman on December 19, 2016 at 2:59 pm

Got word from the general manager. This is what he said:

“The Dunkirk prologue is playing during the IMAX shows of Rogue One. For some of the shows, it plays through the 70MM projector ahead of the laser projection showing of Rogue. For other shows, it plays through the laser projection system. It is a fluid schedule that is subject to change, so it’s hard to communicate which version you might see if you come. This weekend, the 230, 600, and 930 shows played through 70MM projection. In the week ahead, that will change.”

sharkypuffs on December 18, 2016 at 10:55 pm

That DUNKIRK preview was NOT 15/70. It was in IMAX Laser. The 15/70 projector is gone for good. There is no longer any room for it or any form of a rail system. You can actually look back towards the booth and see that of the two projection windows, only one now houses a projector.

Now, when DUNKIRK opens next summer, it is possible Nolan and Warner Bros. may once again request a number of IMAX theaters temporarily convert back to 15/70 film, like they did with INTERSTELLAR and TDKR. Those with IMAX DLP (lie-MAX) may comply, but I doubt those with IMAX Laser will do so. It would be too expensive and they are pushing Laser to be close to if not an equal of 15/70 film. Most moviegoers won’t see a difference between 15/70 film and Laser anyway. The DUNKIRK preview at full 1.44 to 1 aspect ratio looked stunning.

Last X-mas, I took a trip to D.C. to see THE FORCE AWAKENS in 3D Laser at the Steven F. Udvar Hazy Air and Space Museum in Virginia and on 2D 15/70 film at the Lockheed Martin Theater in Washington, just before they converted to Laser. I preferred the 15/70 film version, but the Laser presentation was very, very close. Made me feel like I was back at AMC Lincoln Square watching a 15/70 film in 3D.

AMC Lincoln Square still has a few kinks to work out with the presentation ever since FANTASTIC BEASTS opened last month, but they’re getting there.

My only gripes are the slow service (ushers waiting until JUST before show time to take tickets and let patrons be seated), lack of renovation to restrooms that have remained unchanged since the building opened in 1994 and upholstery & carpeting in the theater that is destined to look very bad in the near future. Patrons still leave their trash behind and the ushers can’t cleanup or even vacuum that new carpeting in time for the next show.

This beauty of this theater renovation and conversion could last for another twenty years if just a little effort was made by management.

xbs2034 on December 17, 2016 at 9:04 pm

Vertigoman: are you sure the Dunkirk preview was shown on 15/70? I do know IMAX likes keeping film projectors in their booths on a rail system if they have the space, but the time between the Dunkirk prologue and rest of trailers for Rogue One was just a few seconds when I went which seems too short for a rail system (the exhaust hoses need to be disconnected from one projector, then that projector is slid away on a rail, before the next projector is slid into the prime position and the two exhaust hoses connected to that projector).

vertigoman on December 17, 2016 at 7:31 pm

They are showing the Dunkirk footage on 15/70 film. At my screening, they showed the usual preshow commercials, then turned the laser projectors off and switched to film for Dunkirk, and then turned the laser projectors back on for the rest of the trailers and Rogue One.