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i saw TITANIC in Imax 3-D at the 34 St.Multiplex.
it was shown without an intermission which it never
had. why would the Lincoln Square show it with an
Hello To My Fellow Posters-
2 new notes-
*in 1910 “movies” were at the most 22 mins.long?
so i’m guessing they alternated thru out the day
with vaudeville acts.how long the Apollo continued
to show movies doesn’t matter. my point was that
its the oldest theater i have found to date that
was built from the ground up expressly to show
*actually of the 12 theaters built on 42 St.
between 7th and 8th Avenues two were built with
the intend of showcasing “movies”. aside from the
Apollo the other was the Candler. it opened in
1914 with the Italian epic “Anthony and Cleopatra”.
the original intend didn’t quite take hold and a
short while later it became a legit house.
what neighboring tower are you referring to?
if the air rights were already sold a while
back does that mean if God forbid the land was
redeveloped they could only build a new
structure the same size/height as the theater?
i thank my fellow poster for the reply to my
post. well at least i have an answer as to why
the Ziegfeld has never been twinned. this could
easily have been done by separating the elevated
rear section of the orchestra. so my other
question is simple. why haven’t the owners of the
theater sold it? i wholeheartedly thank them for
keeping the theater open but i’m guessing they could
could get a huge truck load of cash even in today’s
economy if they decided to sell the theater and the land for redeveloping.
Hello To Ed S.–
you have a point but hey i like searching.:–)
my original post/query was specifically about
the first movie theater in Manhattan built brick
by brick from the ground up expressly to show
movies. for the longest period the oldest ones to
fit my criteria that i was able to find were the
ornate Regent and the moderately sized Bunny
both from 1913. yet in the last two days i
found out that the late Apollo on 42 St. was
in fact built expressly to show films as well
as vaudeville in 1910. so it bests the other
two theaters by 3 years. hey you never know maybe
with a little more searching i might find another
Manhattan movie theater that fits my criteria that bests the Apollo.
speaking of the city as a whole(meaning all
5 boroughs) the answer might be The Nicoland Theater
in the Bronx one of the very first theaters designed by renowned architect Thomas Lamb. it was at 768
Westchester Avenue and opened at the end of 1908.
one other note. the Westchester Theater at 2319
Westchester Avenue opened according to its page
on this website in 1914. i then contacted the
Bronx County Historical Society to ask if they
had any additional info/photos on the this
theater. guess what? the society’s reference
librarian sent me an e-mail containing a photo
of the Westchester Theater that existed at 2319
Westchester Avenue. the caption states it was
owned and operated by George Hoffman. here comes
the good part. the Westchester Theater at 2319 Westchester Avenue according to the photo’s caption
opened in 1904 10 years before its page on this
website said it opened. interesting hey?
i do enjoy reading all your replies especially the witty ones. :–)
two new notes-
*regardless of the sexual orientation and gender
of the audience members or whatever activity
they might have been engaged in am i correct in
my statement that in its porn years the Variety
Photoplays never showed gay porn only straight
*my original post was about whether the ornate
B.F. Moss Regent and the moderate sized Bunny
both from 1913 were the 1st theaters built brick
by brick from the ground up specifically to
show to photoplays or flickers as they were
called at the time. i asked this because since
movies exploded like fire works after their
debut at Koster and Bial’s Music Hall in April
of 1896 i simply couldn’t believe that no
theater built expressly to show movies were
built until the Regent and Bunny of 1913. well
they say if you search long enough you’ll find
what you’re looking for. i had always assumed
that the Apollo on 42 St.(which was torn down
with its neighbor the Lyric to built the
theater now known as the Foxwoods Theater)was
built from the get go as a “legit” house to
use an old term. well guess what? it was built
from the get go to be a combo movie and
vaudeville theater. so since it bests the
Regent and the Bunny by 3 years it takes the
crown as the oldest theater i’ve found to date
that was built from the get go to show movies.
i have been a big fan of this theater since
seeing its debut engagement the Dec.1969 roadshow
run of “Marooned”. its always a joy to see a
film here. a simple question- the land under the
theater must be worth a bzallion dollars even in
today’s economy so how has Clearview Cinemas
been able to keep it open? has the chain promised
to keep the theater open and never sale it or tear
down. i have wondered this the last few years especially since this theater and the Paris are i
believe the only single screen movie theaters left in Manhattan.
many thanks for my fellow posters replies to
my inquiry. the first Rialto was torn down in
1932? and the Regent while in good shape as
been renovated/refurbished etc….. many times
for its use as a church. so what either
theater looked like when they first opened is
anyone’s guess. i hedging the bet the reason
they were considered “movie palaces” is they
were larger and more ornate then any other
movie theater in Manhattan at the time of
as the Streetscapes article reiterates many of
the first movie theaters in the first 10 years 1896-1906 were simply converted store fronts,
retail spaces, music halls or stage theaters.
therefore considering how popular movies became
after their April 1896 debut i can’t believe there
weren’t any movie theaters built from the ground
up specifically as movie theaters until the Bunny
and Regent of 1913.
also i greatly enjoy reading the Streetscapes
column every Sunday in the NY Times but in the
older column posted i believe Gray made a
mistake. i have been going into the Union
Square and East Village areas since i was in
college and i never remember the Variety
Photoplays ever showing gay porn. before being
torn down a few years ago it was unused for a few
years and before that it had been converted
to an off Broadway theater like 25? years ago.
now before that it showed straight porn not gay.
the long gone Pocket Theater two blocks down
3rd Ave. showed gay porn.
i thank AlAlvarez and techman707 for replying to
mu question. unfortunately the Loew’s State didn’t
open till August of 1921. this would place it 8
years after B.F. Moss' Regent(the 1st “movie palace” built in Manhattan)and 5 years after the first
Rialto(the first “movie palace” built in the
Times Square area).
now no offense meant toward nickelodeons but i
was always of the impression they were decent
sized storefronts/retail spaces etc.. . that
were renovated to show films but were not
theaters as we use the term today. so between
the movies debut at Koster and Bial’s Music
Hall in April of 1896 and the opening of B.F.
Moss' Regent in 1913 there had to been at least
one or two more moderate sized edifices built
specifically to show movies. i can’t believe
the Regent was the first purpose built movie
theater whether large,medium or small built
i know the B.F.Moss Regent on 135 St. was the
first “movie palace” built in Manhattan and that
the 1st Rialto of 1916 on 7th Ave.&42 St. was the
first “movie palace” built in the Times Square
area. this leads me to my question. after their
debut as it were at Koster and Bial’s Music Hall
in April of 1896 films had to be shown in quickly
redone/renovated theaters/music halls since
movie theaters obviously didn’t exist yet. so what
was the 1st purpose built from the ground up movie theater in Manhattan?
1.i went to the Gaiety on a regular enough basis
thru out the 30 years it was open. to the best
of my knowledge it was never known as the Kings
2.also the theater closed the 3rd week of March 2005 not 2006.
i’m sure every theater no matter how well built
it was or even if still in good condition doesn’t
get redone/refurbished etc….to some extant over
the years simply to keep it viable. so even if
the Chinese has been redone/refurnished etc…over
the years at least its still Chinese in mode and
is still a single screen first run theater since
the day it opened. so other than the Chinese the
only other theater i have found using this site
that fits the criteria in my March 22 post is the Uptown in D.C..
so i thank Danny B. for mentioning the Regency
Village. also i guess i should just use the term
grand old movie theater rather than palace. to
which is the Regency Village still a single
screen theater that has operated as a 1st run
venue since the day it opened? for instance in
terms of grand old movie theaters including
palaces we have the Castro in San Francisco
which is still a single screen venue and in
damn good shape. but although it has been in
continuous operation since the day it opened
in 1924? it was built from the get go as a 2nd/
3rd run neighborhood theater. i am referring to
theaters built as 1st run venues that have
continued to operate as such.
i would greatly appreciate it if my fellow
posters could hope me with the question in my
post of March 22.
thanks in advance.
Hello To Fellow Posters-
i originally asked this question a few
months back so i was wondering if anyone
has found the answer yet. when i first
came upon this excellent website was i
surprised in the intro above for this theater
above that for a short time it was called
the Mark 1-2-3. now i have been an avid
theatergoer most of my adult life and have
frequently used the TKTS booth which is
right across from this theater since the day
it opened in June of 1973. yet i never
remember seeing Mark 1-2-3 on the marquee
even for a minute amount of time. has anyone
ever found a photo?
i thank you for your reply but the Art Greenwich
was off of 12 St. a stone’s throw from the now
suttered St. Vincent’s Hospital. i am referring to
the two theaters that were actually on 8th St. the
8th St.Playhouse was almost at 6th. Avenue. the
other theater was almost at Bway. but its not listed
under any of the names i can think of. its now used
as an auditorium by NYU.
Hello to Everyone-
while i like this website immensely the 1 problem
is that theaters aren’t necessarily listed by the
name they’re best known by. i have been searching
for a bit to find a theater on 8th St. closer to
Broadway. i found the 8th St. Playhouse which was
closer to 6th Ave. but what was the name of the
theater closer to Bway. i can’t find it under any
of the names it knew it by. its now used by NYU as
Hello Again To My Fellow Posters-
while we’re on the subject. why is it that
some companies have been better at keeping prints
of their roadshow widescreen epics in damn good
condition that other companies? for instance none
of the dvds of UA’s widescreen roadshow epics
released by MGM Home Video have been the complete
roadshow prints. whereas all the dvds and now blu-ray
discs that Warner Bros. Home Video have released of
MGM’S widescreen roadshow epics have been the
complete roadshow prints. what gives?
speaking of negatives and prints etc…. i have
a question that has always bugged me a bit. in the
late 90s when vhs was still the dominant home
video format MGM/UA Home Video created a new vhs
series titled “MGM/UA Screen Epics”. all the films
were digitally remastered with new art work for
the slip case packaging. this is where my question
comes in- the prints of THE ALAMO,ITS MAD MAD
MAD MAD WORLD and HAWAII that were reissued in
this series were the original roadshow prints.
yet the currently available dvds of these three
films which are the only dvds i have ever come
across are the general release prints not the
roadshow prints. if complete roadshow prints were
available for the vhs series why not use them
for the dvds? is there a reason why they couldn’t?
Hello Again To Techman707- thank you for your
reply. you seem to know lots and lots so i figure
you were the person to ask. of course a number
of grand old movie theaters are alive and well
but not as movie theaters. in Manhattan Radio
City Music Hall is a prime example.
so i have to reiterate my original question- in
the 1913-1941 period countless grand movie theaters/
palaces were built in all 50 states at least half of
which have since been torn down. so of all the ones
still standing in all 50 states the Uptown in D.C.,
and Grauman’s Chinese in Hollywood are in fact the
only two continuely operated as 1st run movie
theaters in their original state/design since Day 1,
is that possible?
Hello To Techman707-
since i discovered this wonderful website last Feb.
who have been most helpful with any questions i had.
well here’s a good one i would appreciate your
help with finding the answer to.
the building phase for grand old movie theaters or
movie palaces to to use the popular term was approx.
1913 – 1941. unfortunately many of those theaters
have since been torn down. so my question pertains
to the ones still standing. here goes- of all the
grand old movie theaters still standing which have
not gutted for retail space, never became 2nd or 3rd run grind houses, never showed porn, were never
radio or t.v. studios, were not converted to concert
halls or performing arts centers and were not twinned,
tri-plexed or quaded but have stayed in more or less
their original design/condition as 1st run movie
theaters since the day they opened. using this
website the only 2 i have come across are the Uptown
in D.C. and Grauman’s Chinese in Hollywood. can
these be the only two in the entire country? how
cam i find out if they are any others. many thanks
in advance for you assistance.
Hello To My Fellow Posters-
i came across this website a year ago and was
hooked from the get go. so i set up a project for
myself- find as many grand old movie theaters or
palaces to use the popular term that have not
been gutted for retail space, were never a 2nd/3rd
run or grind house, never showed porn, never used
as a radio or t.v. studio, never converted to
a concert hall or performing art center and were
never twined, tri-plexed or if large enough
quaded but and this is a big BUT has stayed in
more or less their original state,design/condition
as 1st run movie theater since the day it opened.
thru my searching so far i have only found this
theater and Grauman’s Chinese in Hollywood. they
can’t be the only ones in the entire country
can they? anyone know of other ones still
operating as 1st run theaters?
Hello To My Fellow Posters-
i discovered this website a year ago and was
hooked. therefore i set up a project for myself-
to find grand old movie theaters or palaces to
use the popular term that fit these criteria-
haven’t been torn down or gutted for retail
space, never became a 2nd/3rd run or grind house,
never showed porn, never used as a radio or
t.v. studio, wasn’t converted to a concert hall
or performing arts center, and was never twined,
tri-plexed or if large enough quaded but and
this is a big BUT has stayed in its original
state/design/condition as a 1st run movie theater
since the day it opened. using this site the
only two i’ve found are the Uptown in D.C. and
of course Grauman’s Chinese. they can’t be the
only ones in the entire country can they? do
my fellow posters know of any other theaters
that fit my criteria. many thanks in advance.
Hello from NYC. i find many recent postings
quite fascinating. first off the many comments
as to why the Chinese didn’t book one of the many
“big” year end flicks but THE DARKEST HOUR instead.
Considering the many “big” year end flicks this surprises me as well since the only other
theaters in the immediate area is the Cinerama
Dome/Archlight and the El Capitan.
Also the many comments about raising ticket
prices. i was always under the assumption that
first run theaters in Manhattan had the highest
prices. Obviously 3-D, IMAX and 3-D IMAX have
surcharges but the highest price for a regular
first run theater is $13.50 at theaters run by
the Regal chain.
Hello to my fellow posters. i discovered this
website the end of January and have greatly enjoyed
it ever since. now if i’m not mistaken the golden
age of movie palace building was approx. 1913 to
1941. now i set up a project for myself using this
website. its simple-of movie palaces build during
this period and still standing how many have not
been gutted for retail space, turned into 2nd or
3rd run grind houses, never showed porn, never used
as a radio ot t.v. studio, never converted into
concert halls or performing arts center, or twinned,
tri-plexed or quaded but have stayed in more or
less there original condition as 1st run movie
theaters since the day they opened. using this
website i have only come across 2-Grauman’s Chinese
and the Uptown Theater in D.C. can they be the only
2 in the whole country? so does anyone know of any
others that fit my criteria? thanks in advance.
i have a question that i hope someone can answer.
i have been a big fan of the Ziegfeld Theater since
it opened Dec 1969 with the roadshow engagement of
MAROONED. i’m as amazed as i am delighted that
the theater is still alive and well. with real
estate in Manhattan i’m sure the land under the
theater is worth like a bazillion dollars. so my
question is simple- with the land value how is it
that the theater hasn’t been torn down and the
land redeveloped? look at the Loew’s Tower East it
closed because AMC couldn’t be bothered with
running a single screen movie theater.