Comments from CF100

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CF100 commented about Odeon Leicester Square on Jan 12, 2018 at 4:34 pm

FanaticalAboutOdeon: Thank you very much for your detailed descriptions of the OLS foyer pre-1998. My reply is still pending!

CF100 commented about Odeon Leicester Square on Jan 12, 2018 at 4:33 pm

Zappomatic: The ground floor foyer will be “connected” to the Studios, and frontage alterations will encompass the Studios part of the building also, including new doors, removal of the “Odeon Studios” sign, etc.

See planning application 17/07604/FULL, “Elevations Proposed” and “Plans as Proposed.”

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - The O2 Greenwich on Jan 12, 2018 at 4:12 pm

Thanks for confirming the sidewall speaker brand. At least Cineworld have had quality components installed for the surrounds, I’d assume they’ve kept the JBL ScreenArray screen speakers, so if all is well the sound in the Superscreen should be absolutely fantastic.

Seems odd they’ve chosen what look like cold white strips for the entrance vormitory lights, would be more sensible to use red for “guideway” lighting. Aside from the leakage/reflection issue, it won’t set the right mood as one enters. Ho-hum.

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - The O2 Greenwich on Jan 11, 2018 at 2:30 pm

Zappomatic: The “hula hoops” look incredibly tacky and badly positioned!

It looks like the “hula hoops” are surface mounted. I expect they have either used a bendable extrusion with LED strips/modules inserted, or the bendable “neon tube”-type which comes with the LEDs already inside flexible plastic diffuser material of circular cross-section.

Not impressed with the upper floor escalator as shown in your photo, not least since the translucent panel attachments are unevenly lit.

Lighting is by way of red and blue spotlights in the ceiling which interesting seem to use a coloured filter glass rather than a coloured or colour changing LED.

If they are using white LEDs, it makes no sense as LEDs are monochromatic and typical “white” devices use, for example, blue LEDs to excite phosphors… throwing away efficiency at that stage, and then throwing it away again with the filter!

Not to say no-one does it… yesterday I noticed a restaurant next to the Garrick Theatre had neon-esque window signs, which on inspection were white LEDs behind coloured plastic cut-outs. (It actually looks great though, I shall have to experiment…)

Hmm… must put a stop to my lighting obsession!

Some elements of the refurbishment look good—I like the “glitter” floor tiles.

Do you know the manufacturer of the sidewall speakers in the Superscreen?

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Jan 11, 2018 at 2:17 pm

D'oh! I’m running a tracker blocker plug-in, I guess that’s what’s blocked it as I see the banner in another browser.

How long have Screens 4/5 been blocked?

Yes, those “DFS”-grade sofas were always awful—good riddance!

CF100 commented about Odeon Leicester Square on Jan 11, 2018 at 1:33 pm

Ian: I, too, was in Leicester Square last night and “noticed” the premiere—(poor quality) photo uploaded.

According to Odeon’s site, it is now closed.

This means that there is NO cinema with a Leicester Square address operating at present—I assume for the first time since WWII?!

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Jan 11, 2018 at 1:17 pm

Zappomatic: Blocked with sofas? Maybe they’ll be refurbishing Screen 4/5 concurrently?

Thanks for uploading the photos of the foyer’s last night of service—I haven’t been there in months now as no desire to keep saying “goodbye” again!

Oddly, Cineworld’s site makes no mention of the closure—just has no trailer nor screening times listed!

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Jan 11, 2018 at 12:33 pm

Bye-bye 1962/89 foyer. :–(

I’ve uploaded a photo (taken last night) of the blacked out front entrance doors, with the notice reading:


“Whilst we work on improving your cinema, you can visit Picturehouse Central to watch the latest movies.”

I walked around the entire block (i.e. Leicester Sq., Leicester Street, Lisle Street and Leicester Place)—no signs of the refurb (yet?) externally.

There is a hoarding on Leicester Street which has been there for quite some time, but I assume this is for the redevelopment of 1-4 Leicester Square (Ground floor to 9th floor) only. All the more puzzling since Screen 2 has been closed for months!

CF100 commented about ABC Westover Bournemouth on Dec 14, 2017 at 5:44 pm

Awesome, thank you very much!

Can’t find any CD copies, but it’s available in HQ via digital download/streaming including Spotify.

CF100 commented about ABC Westover Bournemouth on Dec 14, 2017 at 3:38 pm

Video of the final screening.

Does anybody know what music is used in the “montage” sequence at the start, and in edited form, in the ABC policy trailer after? Fantastic stuff, excellent composition and arrangement, perfect to set the mood…

CF100 commented about ABC Westover Bournemouth on Dec 14, 2017 at 3:37 pm

Planning application no. 7-2017-1685-L was refused by Bournemouth Council.

CF100 commented about Odeon Luxe Swiss Cottage & IMAX on Dec 14, 2017 at 3:13 pm

Terry: I agree with you in that the LUXE auditorium decor scheme is very unimaginative and I’d also say that it has too much of a “domestic” ambience for a cinema. I suppose their intention is for it to look more like a living room!

BTW, comprehensive information is available on Gradus' cinema (or rather leisure venue) lighting systems.

Also, Eomac are their North American distributors.

Alas, whilst they offer a wide range of mounting options, static colour choices are red/green/blue/amber/white.

CF100 commented about Odeon Luxe Haymarket on Dec 14, 2017 at 2:59 pm

An Odeon press release on the new LUXE auditoria at Putney, Haymarket and Swiss Cottage says that:

–“Each reclining screen will be upgraded with new speakers and Dolby 7.1 surround sound throughout to see the latest entertainment in style… –"Haymarket will include… four fully-refurbished screens with upgraded Dolby ATMOS sound systems… [and]… 24 speakers across all auditoriums.”

On Odeon’s website, no reference to ATMOS can be found under “Cinema information.”

I assume they mean 24 screens in each auditoria, otherwise that’s only enough for 5.1 in each, L/C/R/LFE behind screen, and a “rear array” comprising 2 speakers!

OTOH 24 in each would imply a seriously overspecified rear array for such small auditoria. Maybe they’re counting every driver (e.g. every woofer?) Go figure…

CF100 commented about Odeon Luxe Swiss Cottage & IMAX on Dec 14, 2017 at 2:44 pm

PhilipWW: You may well be correct. The last film I saw at Swiss Cottage was “The Last Days of Disco”!

Here’s some blurb from an Odeon press release:

–“The New Year will also see ODEON Luxe Swiss Cottage become London’s first ODEON site to house an IMAX® screen complete with ODEON’s newly launched ODEON Luxe reclining seats… –"Screens two and three have also been upgraded with enlarged screens for improved picture quality, providing the ultimate viewing experience… –"Key features of the new ODEON Luxe refurbishments at Swiss Cottage will include: • Four fully-refurbished screens with upgraded Dolby ATMOS sound systems • 12 new speakers across all four standard screens”

Confusingly, the press release also says: “Each cinema will now boast new speakers and Dolby 7.1 Surround Sound across all auditoriums.”

Foyer will also be refurbished, and the venue will feature a new “Oscar’s bar.”

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Dec 14, 2017 at 2:27 pm

Thanks Zappomatic.

Hmm, “for some of the works to take place.” I assume this means that they’ll phase the works so that the foyer and associated areas, plus the 4DX auditorium will be complete by then, followed by refurbishments to other auditoria in 2018. (For the sake of completeness, I suppose the toilets also, at some stage.)

Possibly an opportunity to add larger seating, e.g. IMPACT/Superscreen balcony?

There are numerous complaints online about the lack of legroom in the IMAX auditorium. Even if restepping is an option—and I suspect it isn’t—they would end up losing centre seats.

I can’t say I trust Cineworld not to ruin everything special about the place, but we shall see… It might be said that it is fortunate that in part because of all the changes Empire Cinemas made, they have relatively little room for manoeuvre!

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Dec 14, 2017 at 11:39 am

Yikes, bye bye domes…

Zappomatic: Where did you get the information about the refurbishment dates from?

CF100 commented about Vue West End on Dec 13, 2017 at 5:55 am

It appears that the step lighting, contrary to my description the linked photos page, is not an LED strip but uses an LED-lit side glow fibre optic rod.

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Dec 11, 2017 at 2:44 pm

Zappomatic: Good grief, I wonder if mice like to chew at Rockwool?!

Fortunately for myself, the OLS mouse just sat still and then disappeared after a while, maybe 20-30 minutes. In a way, it’s actually less distracting than popcorn-muching patrons… (The auditorium was almost empty for that screening.) “One eye” on the mouse and the other on the screen rather than intermittent crunching and rustling sounds.

The pests you report seem to crop up mostly in what I assume are the older parts of the Empire, albeit I’ve never been clear on which bits date back to the 19th century. The block from LSQ to the main auditorium block seems to have been extended up since 1928, at least with the addition of a “mansard” roof level presumably hiding services.

Lighting research update: I have just obtained an OSRAM E14/SES LED bulb for my desk lamp, 4000K colour temperature, looks the same colour as the IMAX/IMPACT auditoria house lights. (Model: “LED STAR Classic B40.”) OTOH, I also obtained some OSRAM “VALUE Flex 900” white semi-professional LED tape with integrated current regulation, also sold as 4000K, and it doesn’t! I’d guess it’s fairly similar to the general background lighting in the foyer areas of the refurbished Vue West End.

CF100 commented about Odeon Luxe Haymarket on Dec 11, 2017 at 9:00 am

Zappomatic: One of the photos to which you refer on Odeon’s site is actually of a Luxe iSense auditorium!

It’s the one with the blue concealed LED lighting on the sidewalls. The overhead speakers for Dolby Atmos can clearly be seen.

(As an aside, why aren’t more interesting LED colours than plain “Royal Blue” used? Green and blue monochromatic LED colours typically lack warmth and magic… but mixing them yields a lovely “Blade Runner” cyan…)

CF100 commented about Odeon Luxe Swiss Cottage & IMAX on Dec 11, 2017 at 8:44 am

A Time Out article contains a photo of the new “Luxe” auditorium at Swiss Cottage.

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Dec 6, 2017 at 3:11 pm

The riser mounted (behind seating) LED modules referred to by the Integrated Systems Technologies case study are presumably similar to these:

Osram Oslon SSL Modules – Red

Osram Oslon SSL Modules – Green

Osram Oslon SSL Modules – Blue

They are supplied in strips of 12, but can be divided into individual LED sections.

N.B. In the unlikely(?) event that anyone reading this has the idea that they might acquire some, say, for their home cinema, or other DIY applications, it cannot be overemphasised that the power, control, thermal, optical, physical handling and mounting requirements/systems/accessories needed for these must be understood first.

CF100 commented about Odeon Westover Bournemouth on Dec 4, 2017 at 7:03 pm

Having never been to Westover Road—or Bournemouth for that matter!—these cinemas are only of passing academic interest to me. But I couldn’t resist having a look at the 28DaysLater photos—and as a result found a “Historic Building Appraisal” (mentioned but not linked to in the 28DaysLater thread.)

It can be found among the documents in a planning application—between Comment 49 and 50 at the bottom of the page.

The appraisal is 142 pages (!) long, with numerous photos, including of the 1969 conversion works. Incredible!

Quite how in such expensive conversions fragments remain which could clearly have easily been removed is beyond me, especially above ceilings where they would seem to be a liability. Then again, shortcuts taken by builders are often very puzzling indeed…

As a result of searching through planning applications on Bournemouth Council’s site, I notice that the address shown on Cinema Treasures is erroneous—27 Westover Road being that of the former ABC.

CF100 commented about Empire Cinemas - London Haymarket on Dec 4, 2017 at 12:37 pm

Planning application for temporary use as a theatre has been received by Westminster Council (24th November.)

There are no differences between the “existing” and “proposed” plans; however, they are a new set of drawings by UNICK Consulting, rather than those dating from 1997(!) in the licensing applications.

(Albeit they may have relied on existing drawings rather than carrying out a full survey, but these do have the convenience of including a printed scale, for those who might be bothered to actually measure e.g. the size of the auditoria, although I suspect that’s only myself!)

CF100 commented about Cineworld Cinema - Leicester Square on Dec 4, 2017 at 12:12 pm

Zappomatic: Interesting! Wonder if the Pepsi Max logo will be reinstated on the front canopy… I assume whatever agreement Empire Cinemas had with Pepsi has been terminated.

What they really need is one of those touchscreen machines for some added-flavour (e.g. Strawberry) Pepsi Max!

The first time I ever heard of nachos was when viewing the animated Warner Cinemas policy trailer.

There seems to have been some problems with mice in West End cinemas, albeit the last inspection (2014) of the Empire LSQ yielded a 5 star hygiene rating.

Still, I can’t help but wonder about the condition of the external walls in certain locations…

P.S. I have seen mice in the OLS auditorium… :–(

CF100 commented about Empire Cinema on Dec 3, 2017 at 6:03 pm

LARGE_screen_format: Interesting.

Albeit the loss of the THX certification wouldn’t exactly result in the “removal” of the THX “sound system” (or more specifically the “B-chain,”) the only equipment THX supplied was the THX active crossover for the screen speakers. AFAIK the active crossover circuits were on cards (installed in the THX rack mounted unit) leased from THX.

They’re just Linkwitz-Riley 24dB/oct 2-way crossovers with time-alignment, not too hard to replace with other gear… and obsolete now… (e.g. Empire 1’s (/Empire LSQ IMPACT/Cineworld LSQ Superscreen) JBL ScreenArray system uses dbx digital loudspeaker management units…)