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I just went to see La La Land in cinema 10 at the Arclight. After one hour I couldn’t stand it any more and left. It might have been enjoyable if the quality of the picture wasn’t so poor. Poor is an understatement it was unwatchable. The big joke at the beginning was the CinemaScope logo! A CinemaScope picture was bright and sharp. Not dim and fuzzy. Digital just looks like $hit. I know you people don’t get it. Maybe your vision isn’t what it used to be. Maybe you just don’t remember. The fact is when you blow up a low quality video it looks bad unless you are sitting in the back row of the theater. And at this point I don’t care if it is 2k 4k or 8k. 24FPS 48FPS 60FPS 120FPS (anything over 60 is a waste by the way). It doesn’t seem to matter. Digital looks great on my small screen. Looks great on a large screen TV. But when digital it is projected on a large screen it just looks bad. The bigger the screen the worse it looks. I walked out of Star Wars at an AMC because the presentation was horrid. Management apologized and refunded my money. So Chris “the days of film are over” well if that is true then most of the theaters will soon follow. The real sin is they had two film projectors in Cinema 10 and supposedly this was shot on film. But of course they probably went to digital to do the edit so there goes all the goodness of film.
Well adapt to the fact that film is the new vinyl!
I am a IMDB listed Director of photography so I do know a little about this.
For ten years Cinerama ran films that were just well done home movies. Boring. The three camera movies are only worth watching in the three projector format. The Seattle Cinerama does it. Some people just don’t get it film, when done right, looks better than digital! The resolution of film is much higher than digital. As for presentation; Star Wars at the Chinese in 70mm on Norelcos with 13.6 carbon arcs was brighter and sharper than the laser projection they have now. Three projector Cinerama was super sharp and super bright. I saw a a three projector presentation of How the West Was Won at the Dome. I sat in the Cinerama Zone. I was impressed. Yea there were the lines but it was clear and bright. It was also interesting to see the resolution drop when 65mm ultra-panavision footage was used. It was the first time I noticed grain. But the three camera footage show on three projectors is stunning.
The Dome management has a history of just not quite getting the point. Years ago they did a 25 year re-premier of It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World. The only print they could find was a 35mm anamorphic with optical sound that belonged to an archive and a pan and scan print used for television broadcast. They ran the archive print for the re-premier and the pan and scan print for a week. There were so many complaints and pissed off people the manager locked himself in the office and gave orders to refund anyone who complained. If the cheap bastards had just had the lab make a new print they could have run that for weeks with no complaints. Even now a 70mm print of Mad World continues to run in theaters.
I was even asked by someone while at the re-premier if these old negatives were even worth saving. Some people just don’t get it. Like that young executive that trashed years of old video instead of saving it.
If I am going to sit in a theater with old style seats it has to something special. I would have paid a few bucks to see that short film that was shot in three strip Cinerama. I can watch video at home or in a small theater with lounge chairs and drink service. Why haven’t they run a good Ultra Panavision print of The Hateful Eight at the Dome? Are they afraid it will look better than the video? Or have they just given up on film?
The people who run the Aero get it.
Cinerama Extravaganza what a laugh both of those showings are digital not Cinerama; unless they are using three digital projectors.
It’s sad that the Somerville Theater in Massachusetts can run reel to reel 70mm all formats on pristine Todd-AO projectors and then there is the Dome a theater that was designed to run 70mm. They can’t run reel to reel. I think they may still be able to run 70mm on a platter.
AMC theaters are notorious for having blown speakers and low light. The Sony projectors are the worst of the professional projectors. There is very little 4K product. It is AMC policy to set the fader at 5! How can you have good sound with a fader setting of 5?
Yes the Dome has its problems and they have done the best they can to deal with those problems. No matter what they do people will still complain.
The Seattle Cinerama has a much bigger screen with and even deeper curve the the Dome.
I saw the 70mm version of the Hateful Eight at the Landmark and the presentation was just bad. More and more I just watch movies at home.
I saw a show at the Chinese that was digital laser and I was not impressed. Digital still can’t beat good 70mm.
they had the D-150 screen and projectors but they gave away the projectors and put in video. Too bad it would have been a great place to run the Hateful Eight
They ran an advanced screening in 70mm and the projector broke. I sounds like they need a chief projectionist who knows what he is doing.
I spoke to management at The Arclight and nothing is locked down and they are still in negotiations regarding The Hateful Eight.
but the Shrine is not available as it has a band booked new years eve
The Shrine is the largest theater in this country! It is bigger than Radio City!
Yes the Warner would work in theory but they would never get the permits in time. They might as well just use the Shrine it has full concessions and can serve alcohol. It is a real theater. It would cost less to set up the Shrine and run it there then it would to refurbish the Warner. Besides The Shrine is huge they could hang a 90 or 100 foot screen in front of the proscenium or have a huge curved screen on stage. They are rigged to do that.
The Microsoft and the Dolby get outfitted for premiers and short movie runs on a regular basis. A screen and sound system is brought in installed and projectors are brought in just for a one off show. A new Dolby system was just installed in the Dolby just to run movies. Of course the stage at those venues is not as large as the Shrine but still better than any AMC theater.
I would put a huge screen in the Shrine drop in a couple of AAII Todd-AO projectors and run it there. That would be a road show presentation. It is right next to USC and close to the Metro and a grand old theater.
So for those of you who think the screen at the Charles was large you have never seen a large screen. The Astor screen was wall to wall and installed by Todd-AO.
The Cinema 57 was built as a twin and was long and narrow like a bowling alley. The sound there was always bad and you had to sit real close to the screen to hear stereo. The left and right speakers were over the exits so you could hear stereo sound beyond the first few rows. What they did to it later I have no idea.
The screen at the Charles was not that big either. Ben Sack liked large screen but when the company got taken over the new management did not like large screens. The screen at the Astor was much larger than the one at the Charles and the screen at the Beacon Hill was also larger than the one at the Charles.
The Astor auditorium was very plain and drab. When they did the Todd-AO install they ripped out all the boxes the stage and put in a screen that was wall to wall.
Well I wont go to an AMC theater to see a cropped picture bad sound and out of focus picture on a postage stamp screen. At those AMC theaters some usher who has never handled film will thread it push the start button and walk away. There will be more than one botched show.
The only auditorium at the Arclight with a 70mm projector (yes just one 70mm and it isnt even a good one) is the Dome. They had to rent a projector for The Master to run in one of the smaller houses.
The New Beverly is a grind house not a roadshow theater.
If they were serious about running roadshow they would run in a real theater with a large screen like The Shrine.
The Village in Westwood still has 70mm projectors so that is a possibility. Of course those projectors have not been used for years.
This isn’t a road show its sounding more like an abortion If it was really a road show they would put in a real theater and run it reel to reel but I guess those days are gone forever.
Then why is the arclight not selling tickets for Star Wars beyond December 24th? There are no advanced sales for Star Wars in the Dome for dates after the 20th of December. If they are not gonna run Hateful in the Dome then they should run it in the Shrine the Dolby or some other large venue. It would be stupid to roadshow it in some small theater.
It looks like the Hateful Eight may go into the Dome and star wars get moved to a smaller screen. Star Wars is also going into the Chinese in IMAX
Star Wars will be an IMAX release. The IMAX version and the 70mm blow up will made off a 4K digital intermediate. So Star Wars will be in IMAX theaters the Hateful Eight won’t be in IMAX. There is a big difference between IMAX and Ultra-Panavision. The Hateful Eight was shot on 65mm and I hope to see a print right off the original negative. The Hateful Eight only needs to be in a few theaters like The Dome so the people who really care about seeing it in 70mm can see it. Why would the Dome want to play Star Wars when it will be at the Chinese and Universal?
Most of the theaters have junked their film projectors. So now they have to rent film projectors to show film there are very few full time 70mm screens left. There are not that many big screens left any more. As Long as The Hateful Eight is in 70mm on a big screen in any theater within 100 miles I will go there to see it! The majority of people will just be happy with the digital version.
It’s the only theater designed for ultra panavision. I expect they will run The Hateful Eight in 70mm film. That will be something worth driving 100 miles to see.
theater management has always been tight with the buck so no wonder they never got top quality people to work for them. Skilled projectionists are a dying breed because management wont pay much more than minimum for a job that should be skilled labor
I wouldn’t call the Bruin a grand old theatre, old maybe but not grand.
I did go to see Interstellar in 70mm IMAX at Grauman’s Looked good the few scenes shot in IMAX. Those rails for the handicapped need to be lowered. And the only reason I went was because of the 70mm IMAX I am still waiting for a movie that is worth going to see so I can check out the laser. Why are they showing stuff shot or mastered in 2K? Arri has a new camera with a 65mm sensor that is higher res than 4K. These IMAX video films that are mastered or shot in 2k look horrible. The blowups from 35mm to IMAX looked bad too. I went to see an IMAX film at Universal when they had the 70MM it was one of the worst blowups from a 35mm (probably 3 perf) The grain and image quality was bad and inconstant some stuff was real bad and this was a major film with Depp. Oh yea the Cinerama film I saw recently had the same problem. Some stuff was shot in Cinerama but the action scenes were shot in Ultra Panavison. There was a big difference in quality. Henry Plitt said it best, “Blow up sh!t and you get big sh!t” I met him when he was testing Showscan at the Cinerama Dome. I can get 2K at home.
Saw How The West Was Won In Cinerama
Great site. Hollywood history like this needs to be documented so the know how to do it right is not lost. My cudos to who ever put this site together.
This director should do a good 70mm blow up of There Will Be Blood and run that at the Dome. That would sell some tickets.