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Other than for the two big houses here, as best as I can recall the other screens ranged from fairly small (probably the size of the very smallest screens at the Rockaway AMC) to true old 80s multiplex shoebox size (very noticeably smaller than anything at the new Rockaway AMC more like some of the tiny ones at Parsippany which also has pretty much small to shoebox screens other than for the two bigger ones).
(Smallest all time screen I have ever seen was one of the ones at the old Paramus Stanley Warner after their final round of sub-dividing. They took the giant 2000 double deck palace and split it eventually eight screens! on two levels. Once saw a movie in one of those and it was seriously barely larger than the biggest HDTV you find today. I seriously don’t think it was more than 10 feet wide!)
I was wondering why no movies seemed to be listed for #8 when I checked back in December and again today. I was hoping it had meant when they put in the IMAX they had combined the two THX houses into one really huge IMAX screen. I guess not though.
Haven’t seen a movie here in a long time. Perhaps getting back to the Attack of the Clones days!
I liked their THX screen back then since the speakers were both great and not absurdly ear-damaging loud like at most places. THX quality sound but with the loud but reasonable volume most theaters used to use way back once upon a time.
It wasn’t the world’s biggest screen but not too bad in size, especially for back then. I wonder how big it is now that they converted it to IMAX. I’d guess it has to be at least a bit smaller than the Rockaway IMAX since I just see how they could fit a screen that size in there and certainly no match for the Paramus IMAX.
I don’t know what the top grossing one in the state is but apparently AMC says it is their premiere, head theater in all of Northern NJ at the very least. Any special anything always gets done at this screen, if anywhere it seems.
As for the rest of the theater….
I didn’t peak at #1 but it has a huge seating capacity and the screen is probably pretty large.
I peaked at #2 the IMAX. Looking in it actually looked to me larger than Rockaway IMAX screen (which itself it a touch larger than the IMAX screen at the Empire 25 near the Port Authority Bus Terminal which I think they say is 57' or 58' screen). I had avoided bothering with it since someone had posted here that it was the tiniest most underwhelming IMAX experience they ever had. But I guess they were just comparing to the old 15/70 full size true IMAX screens or something because this is the biggest 1.90:1 digital IMAX screen I have seen anywhere yet. I now think the Paramus IMAX might be the biggest screen in all of northern NJ (although I haven’t seen the IMAX near the Newark Airport yet). Actually I think it is probably the biggest screen in the entire state of NJ other than for two true IMAX screens in the Atlantic City area way down south. I mean I could be wrong but I could swear it looked larger than the Rockaway one. Going by seat count across and how many seats wide it seemed to be I think it was a number of seats wider. I think it’s 32-33 seats wide while I think the Rockaway is probably more like 29 seats wide? Could be wrong.
I also peaked at #3 the Dolby Cinama screen and that looked pretty large too. Not quite sure how big it is but I think it’s probably at least as big as the Rockaway IMAX and it could be bigger.
And I think it is #5 that is also pretty large, although I didn’t see it. It’s probably like the larger non-IMAX screens at Rockaway.
So other than for the one screen out of 16 I think this theater doesn’t have any of those horrible small screens. Rockaway has none (Rockaway has a pretty decent #8 IMAX screen size for digital, maybe 60'-61' and then 3 other screens that are pretty large, all over 50' and at least two of three like 56'-57' these are #1,#9,#16 and then #2,#7,#10,#15 are somewhat smaller bit still pretty large as multiplex screens go; #4,#5,#12,#13 are the smallest, but still not bad by old 80s or city multiplex standards).
Reading theater in Manville NJ also has some larger screens (also some very tiny ones). The two big ones I think are at least as wide as the Rockaway IMAX but 2.35:1 ratio and I think a little bit shorter.
Ended up going there and #10 seated something like 211, most of the rest down that end of the theater seat more like 264, but, as so often, seating capacity has nothing to do with screen size. I peaked in at most of the screens at that end and regardless of seating they all had the same size screen aside from #12 which had a much larger screen (much larger than the other 264 seaters down at that end which all had the same size screen as the 211 and smaller capacity auditoriums there).
I didn’t see either #15 or #16, I think one of those two actually also has a much larger screen and probably seats well over 264.
Anyway most of the screens down there are not huge screens but they are decent. Much bigger than tiny shoe box screens some places have. And in one of those old 80s style multiplexes, like the old Rockaway theater or the Parsippany they would have actually been among the very larger screens.
I think this theater probably only has one really small screen out of the 16. I think it is near the bathrooms across from the food stands, maybe it is #4 (or perhaps it is #6,7,8,9?). Walking past that area, the door was open and I could see straight down the aisle to the screen. I just glanced from a distance but it looked really small, like a small old 80s multiplex smaller size screen. Pretty sure that one is much smaller than the smallest ones at Rockaway (which aren’t that bad, probably similar to #10 and a bunch at that end here, or only just a bit smaller).
As far as reflections, I did notice the Boston glasses seemed very reflective and recall being worried at first, with the house lights up it seemed worrisome, but then when the movie started they turned off every single last light to zero and it was like pitch black at that theater so no issues whatsoever.
At Lincoln Square they seemed reflective, maybe a bit less so though than Boston I think, but it was a year apart, can’t be sure, the Boston glasses might have been smaller and a bit more reflective but man they worked so much better and with the lights all off who cares about the reflections IMO. They also made it pretty dark here too, don’t recall seeing any lights in my direct line of view at all. I think they kept a few dark ones in the stairs on but couldn’t see them from our dead center (and 2 rows from the back) seats. So I had zero reflection problems here with the movie going.
Maybe the SanFran theater kept some of the line of sight lights on and that gave you the trouble there.
@xbs2034 – huh but no bad ghosting and dbl images or loss of detail etc at Rogue one here at all? Not maybe sitting off to the left and forced to look through them to the right (which might mask some of the issue)?
Ah man, if you actually had working glasses then I’m really bummed I hadn’t known what was going on in time to get new pairs and see if they worked. Had really been looking forward to this (plus the expense and trouble of getting to NYC) so quite the bummer. Was really counting on a great experience, biggest Star Wars fan around. :(
Anyway I’d still be cautious about this theater for now. We had two for two identically bum glasses and even if ‘only’ 50% of the glasses here are bum that would mean we had only ¼ chance to both get bum pairs so I wonder if maybe even more than 50% are bum. Who knows. Darn.
Laser 3D also should have no problems since polarization isn’t involved AFAIK. Laser lets you send out light at a very specific frequency so they can construct multiple sets of primaries that are fairly similar and, AFAIK, they use notch filters to filter out the specific primaries they use for R,G and B (and they might even use two sets of similar for each eye at least to try to get around metameric differences between people’s eyes to try to insure someone with odd cones doesn’t get left out) for the left eye signal from the right and vice versa. I could swing my head all over the place and looking through my left eye only here saw no ghosting.
So you can send out strong signals, with no compromise, to each eye and just notch out 100% the left eye image from the right and vice-versa in a way that the polarized screens never quite manage. The single frequency a laser can send out lets them be able to make a basically 100% filter without having any noticeable damage to color fidelity. Unless they ended up doing something different in the end. (of course it is a bit trickier than it sounds since the eye’s response is tricky and varies a bit person to person so they probably had to do lots of tuning and testing and maybe send out double sets of primaries to each maybe and so on)
And in Boston, where the glasses seemed to be properly coated, strongly and fully edge to edge across both left and right eye lenses, it was just perfect, not even a trace of ghosting. Even regular IMAX Xenon 3D has tiny faint traces of ghosting even sitting ideally (although in most theaters it seems less to me than with Real 3D; as for Doldby 3D supposedly they don’t use polarization and use the method you mention, but I was pretty disappointed in it the one time I went, colors didn’t seem rich, contrast and brightness poor, I liked Real3D better for sure and IMAX 3D much better and in some ways IMAX 15/70 3D better still (although was mixed compared to IMAX 3D) but none of them come close to the Boston Laser 3D IMAX, that is just perfection (and I think Lincoln Square would be the same if the right lenses in some to many of the glasses here were not messed up and had the proper right eye filter coating across the entire lens and not just the center, since the 3D seemed perfect and ghost free center and right side of the screen).
@xbs2034 – what did you hate about the glasses in SF? just the small lens size (and maybe the rims cutting off FOV if you say close??) or actual visual artifacts? (I could be wrong but I thought the glasses at the Boston one had been even smaller than the ones here, but sitting near the back of the theater the small size didn’t impact anything and the way the high quality lenses just showed an utterly perfect 3D image like I’ve never seen before so I way prefer those ones)
And you really saw no double images at Rogue One here? Nothing weird at all? Not even at the edges? Were you sitting in the center (or maybe way to the left and thus naturally kind of looking sideways to the right?)?
If I turned my head even a touch to look towards the right side the double images would be over the entire left side of the screen. Some scenes hid it to an extent and you might not realize there was doubling going on or just think the area was a little blurry or OOF or something but closing one eye and then the other eye you could see all sorts of patterns and texture were doubled with the right eye and when it came to bright lines and stars it was pretty darn clear that with one eye you see a line and a star and then with the other eye you’d see two stars in the same area and two sets of lines, not all that subtle either so not like that very faint ghosting you often see in any regular 3D (15/70 3D, IMAX Xenon, Real3D, etc.) across the frame. Maybe if someone wasn’t paying attention they just think it’s a jubmle or stars and lines and textures all over and somehow not realize there is double imaging going on, espcially if they didn’t realize how utterly 100.00% perfect from ANY hint ghosting or artifact of any type laser imax 3D is when viewed with properly made glasses.
Just wondering if they actually do have some good glasses here. Sure wishing if good glasses do exist here I had known and kept going back until I got good ones at the start.
Currently I couldn’t recommend the IMAX here for 3D since I don’t trust the odds to get a good pair and to have to dash back and forth possibly trying 2,3,10,20 pairs during the short 3D previews and the start of feature film would be an annoying mess.
Unless our luck was so monstrously bad that they only have like say 20 bad pairs out of 480 or something and we got 2 of the 20.
@makrp – you can laugh at digital 3D and digital in general, but let me tell you the laser IMAX 3D they have up Boston with the glasses there was utterly mind-blowing, so far superior to 15/70 3D, better contrast, better brightness with darks probably even darker, zero ghosting, the 3D was so utterly naturally and smooth like infinite levels of subtle depth you literally felt like you were not wearing glasses and simply there in person on scene in a way I’ve just never felt with Real 3D/Dolby 3D/IMAX 15/70 3D/IMAX Digital Xenon 3D, even more subtle as well as richer colors; it was the most mind-blowing revolutionary new feeling I’d had in a theater since my first 3D movie ever (Avatar in 15/70 3D) and the original Star Wars on a giant screen with 70mm projection and Dolby Surround way back in ‘77 in the huge 2000 seat Stanley Warner Paramus.
but as with anything things can be messed up, I’ve seen there are a couple auditoriums at my local theater where the regular digital projectors appear to become uncalibrated and they have a bit of loss of detail and color fringing; but don’t forget the ways film projection could be messed up at times and the the way prints would look so faded so quickly so there was always the rush to get in a good viewing right away, with digital you can still enjoy the same quality if you go back and get in a final viewing 4 weeks later as on the first few days. And the 4k projectors when given 4k material definitely show more detail than the 35mm projection ever did (unless maybe you are some big wig and get a special more direct copy print unlike any regular theater ever gets and even then the detail would be probably the same at best even if a K64/K25 slide might have more tha 8MP detail but you never get to see that projected as a movie).
and sadly, at least with the glasses we got for Rogue One at Lincoln yesterday. I wish I knew it was the glasses that were the issue earlier on and had run back and tried a bunch more pairs. It seemed too disruptive to try that half way in and with my friends pair seeming the same I had figured all were bad, but maybe not.
Also, film also can and has been shown in 3D and you get into wanting to be centered in the theater and so on there too. And the new laser imax can also do 2D of course and even here with the 3D sadly messed up (at least for some decent number of the glasses here) and i haven’t seen 2D laser imax ever get messed up (not that I’ve seen it a lot).
@Imax123 – “I’ve also heard IMAX laser has a better picture quality at 1:90 than at 1:43 because it’s native aspect ratio is 1:90 like the IMAX digital,”
That definitely was not my impression at the Boston 3D IMAX. Someone at the DC Laser IMAX was claiming they just digitally zoomed in for the 1.43 screens with the projector and it looked all pixelated, giant visible pixels and terrible, but I think that guy either didn’t know what he was talking about or was making stuff up to trash digital since he came across as an extreme film lover. Or maybe somehow they totally messed up the install down there.
At the Boston 3D IMAX though the 1.43 scenes in TFA were AMAZING! If anything I thought they even seemed to have crisper detail, at the least I sure didn’t see anything to complain about. The 2.35:1 stuff and the 1.43:1 stuff both looked amazing.
@Movie_time – hmm so you think your left had the issues? not left side of screen but left eye? are you sure it was not left side of screen but issue caused by the right eye? what side of the theater did you sit at? left, center, right? on my friend and I’s glasses I managed to clearly see a major defect of similar nature on both right lenses (the left looked a little dodgy since the coating seemed to fade from green to near clear at the far edges but that said the left eye seemed to work totally fine as far as I could tell; the right lens though didn’t just fade from pink to clearer it faded from pink to starting to shade green like the eye eye is supposed to be; also note these colors only apply to looking at the spectrum of the fluorescent light bulbs they have there, under full spectrum light or with laser primaries there is no tinting)
was it really just a little blur and ghosting at the left corner or over a much wider area of the screen if you looked all around?
if yours was just a left eye problem and just on one corner then maybe my friend and I simply got a really, really bum pair here and wished we’d known in time to go ask for a new pair.
at the very least it seems the QC for their glasses here is dodgy. And the 3D part of the previews is show sort it doesn’t give a lot of time to go down ask for another pair and perhaps repeat a few times. what a mess that would be too, disturbing everyone again and again and if half the theater is needing to do that….
OK, slightly more briefly this time.
The long and short of it is I was super looking forward to getting to Rogue One on a giant screen with Laser 3D IMAX but this theater has messed up glasses! As best as I can tell they only applied all the proper notch filters to a thin band on the right eye lenses here so the left side and right side of the right lenses in the glasses here let through at least one and think more of the primaries that only the left eye should see to some degree. With how far away from your eye the glasses here sit that thin band isn’t nearly enough to cover your eye’s FOV. You’d need to sit 10 rows behind, at the least, the back row here on a screen half the size for it to work. This means that for most people the left side of the screen will exhibit moderate to extreme ghosting effects or minor to considerable sort of odd dusty loss of detail when you are facing straight forward and looking straight forward (facing right and looking back left the entire screen would look bad, facing left and looking back right most of the screen would look fine, maybe just a bit on the left edge still off a little). They need to give refunds and fix this ASAP. It’s crazy this premier location might give Laser 3D IMAX a bad name over them having either cheaped out on the glasses at this installation or not bothered to test them. Really disappointed after having planned this and looked forward to it for so long.
Unless maybe my friend and I were just that unlucky to get two of the worst pairs of glasses here. Maybe some or most are better? Two for two makes me think at least a good chunk of the glasses here are defective.
The Boston Laser 3D IMAX (quite small lenses) glasses are perfect and have none of these issues and the projection in 3D is beyond incredible. Here with the bad glasses (also smaller lenses than normal IMAX theaters, although I think larger than the ones at Boston were, not sure though, but whatever, the Boston ones, even if smaller, are so much better) here where the right eye is not coated properly, just a dab in the center, your left side FOV will be messed up to varying degrees.
I mean the center still looks pretty good for most scenes and the right side of the screen looks great and you can do the awkward thing below and still revel in the incredible Laser 3D IMAX somewhat but they gotta fix this. A disappointing disaster they have made with the glasses at this theater installation. Properly coated and kept clean. :(
(You can sort of get around the issue to a decent degree if you are sitting in center and then turn your head way to the left so it’s aiming just about at the left edge of the screen and then turn your eyes back to the right so they are looking almost all the way back to center. So long as you keep your head locked in that position facing way to the left and then and keep your eyes looking back towards the center or right most of the screen will look OK (although the very far left will still have a bit of ghosting in some scenes and maybe a few left side artifacts) as this means your eye is looking through the right lens at an angle which lets the narrow band where the notch filters were properly coated on to cover a wider part of your right eye’s FOV. But it’s kind of awkward to have to view a movie with extreme side look and not be able to move your head around. And if you were to be sitting on the left side of the theater I don’t even know what you’d do since your head would be aimed so far left how would you even see the right side of the screen much at all (unless maybe if you were that far left then you could simply face straight ahead and then naturally side look to the right??) And you have to turn your head so far to the left that the bottom right will be blocked by the edge of your glasses for your left eye.)
I had been looking forward to a special trip to Rogue One in Laser IMAX for a long time and was disappointed at the total mess this new installation has made of their Laser IMAX system. During the previews (well once they switched to the 3D ones, the 2D ones looked great as expected) I was like wait what is wrong? Why do I see ghosting and lack of detail on the left side of the screen??? Laser IMAX in Boston was PERFECTION, I’d been going on about how it was literally like you were there looking with your own eyes, the most amazing and 100% ghost free 3D I’d ever seen, so great it was almost like a new experience.
So I spent the first half the movie concentrating more on what the heck was going wrong, swapped glasses with my friend a few times and the other pair was only very marginally different was really kinda stunk. That’s not was I was looking forward too and had paid for.
I was wondering if maybe they switched the lasers to new frequencies and some quirk in my right eye was somehow still registering some of the left eye frequencies since I saw it with both pairs.
Then I went to the rest room and looked at the glasses under the fluorescent light bulbs in there and noticed that the right eye lens seemed odd, it seemed like only a skinny band in the middle was pink tinted and the rest looked plain or green like the left eye lens. Then I put them on and closed my right eye and looked through the left and everything from looked green tinted, although even there some patches were a bit closer to normal, but at least anywhere at all near the center had a strong green tint and even the edges had at least some green so it seemed possibly OK (and during the movie closing my right and looking only with the left it seemed like the entire screen was pretty much ghost free). Then I closed my left eye and looked through the right and was horrified! Everything dead center looked pink but to the right it looked only slightly pink with a few hints of green and to the left it looked green! That means that large portions of the right lenses in the glasses here are missing the notch filter to cut out left eye signal for at least one or more of the primaries.
So I think they set up this premier theater location to show off their new Laser IMAX system and didn’t even bother to check the darn glasses and I wouldn’t be surprised if the entire batch they gave this center have the right eye lenses manufactured totally wrong!
If your eyes are more wide set than mine, you’d probably see ghosting on both left and right side of the screen and fine in the middle and a large area to either side around the center. If they are like mine or more narrow set though from center to the farthest right edge will look perfect, fantastic, but slightly left of center ghosting and/or general lack of detail/dusty feeling starts and it gets worse as you look farther left.
It was ultra noticeable on those transparent screens in the rebel base that had minty green lines and stuff on them, through the right eye you see extreme double vision on the entire left half of the screen, the a pair of minty lines and then a second, highly offset pair off off-yellow lines (which was some of what was supposed to be the signal for the left eye only).
I think they were either trying to be so cheap with the expensive coatings to try to get away with only coating them strongly in the center and way, way overdid for the right eyes or simply had a major manufacturing errors that applied the coatings to the center of the right eye and barely at all across the rest of the lens! I can’t quite remember if these were the same type the Boston Laser IMAX had. I almost thought the Boston ones had even a bit smaller and more curved lenses. Maybe people complained and they went to slightly larger ones but the Boston ones at least had proper coatings across the entire surface of each lens.! Way better. They worked so perfectly it was crazy.
I don’t know if it’s all tje glasses, some, most, just a few and my friend and I were that unlucky to both get pairs. But I’d hope our luck wouldn’t be worse than 1 in 10 in which case at least 30% of the glasses are totally messed up at this supposedly premier installation that has the most expensive tickets of probably any theater in the whole U.S. and a theater that costs a lot of money just to even get to if you come in from out of the city.
I see someone mention a problem above where they saw lower left all blurred and ghosted. Not sure if that means the really saw the upper left fine and maybe it’s random how bad and patchy the coatings are and some are perfect, some terrible, some varying degrees of inbetween.
But man, mega bummed after all that waiting and expense and time.
I did find that if I turned my head to face the left edge of the screen and then looked towards the right, so my eyes are now basically looking near dead center, looking at the screen with side look, that I was able to see the entire center of the screen fine and the whole right side fine and much of the left not too badly although a few bits woukd still have a bit of defect especially toward far left edges. So I did end up watching the last half of the movie like that. (trying to slide the glasses over left on my nose to center my right eye in the pink strip didn’t work since if I slid the glasses far enough over to rid all ghosting and defects on the left side of the screen then the right side got those problems instead since the right side of the right lenses also didn’t have all notch filters applied properly). It was sort of awkward, having to hold my eyes in extreme side look for an hour and I had to always face my head towards the left and was not free to swing my head to look around. Held like that it was sort of OK, but….
I will say where the glasses did work perfectly the display was fantastic and as I recalled from Boston te 3D was just so utterly naturally unlike anything you see in any other type of 3D projection.
It’s a huge shame and really disgrace that they have such a serious problem with the glasses at this theater. How this could pass the installation quality control I have no idea.
I have to say I shocked to not see post after post above raving about how insanely fantastic IMAX Laser projection is for 3D. Maybe this explains it. Maybe all the glasses here are bum and none of you have seen what IMAX 3D Laser is really supposed to be like. None knew how utterly perfect it is supposed to be so didn’t even try to do weird maneuvers to force the glasses to begin to sort of work correctly.
Basically if you just view through the glasses straight on normally and don’t have extra wide set eyes and just look around and view normally half your field of visions will see small to major (like larger than I’ve seen from any other 3D tech ever) ghosting and varying degrees of loss of detail and fidelity.
They need to fix this ASAP. Either stop cheaping out and use full quality glasses like in Boston or toss this perhaps simply instead bad batch of glasses in the trash and send them a new working supply. This will not show case Laser 3D IMAX the way it should be and will hurt their brand name.
People should be going insane over how beyond fanstatic the 3D is. This place should be filled with post after post raving about it. Instead I see like no raves and already a few complaints were people seem vaguely unsure what was going on.
@Kurtpvincent – if you want deep blacks and great contrast, etc. check out IMAX Laser, I’d say it outdoes ever the best film did for contrast and color (unfortunately there are barely any around, I think Lincoln Square and Reading, Boston are the only two in the entire Northeast)
One odd thing is I found a review that claims #6 is the ETX screen but looking at the seating list on the other page, #6 has only 156 seats. The article also said #7 was big but that has even less seats. I wonder if they re-did the auditorium numbers since that 2011 article?
Hopefully the seating list on the other page isn’t wrong with the numbering.
What are the screen sizes like here? Are any those super tiny little shoe box screens? Anyone know if #17 is tiny or pretty big?
Does anyone remember how big the screen is in auditorium 10? I know #12 is a pretty big screen in a fairly big auditorium, but I think #10 might be on the other side? so much smaller?? or not?
Sure would be nice if they had it ready for Rogue One.
They really need a true utter giant screen 90' wide and full height laser imax out in the burbs though as going to NYC is a nightmare mess (still I’d do it for Laser 3D IMAX for a a very few super huge films).
People care about Laser 3D IMAX because it’s one hell of a different experience to see something filling up the entire screen than something filling up a small rectangular portion of it. And the much deeper blacks, larger color gamut, the utterly ghost free and natural 3D, much crisper image. It’s night and day Laser 3D IMAX compared to regular Xenon 3D IMAX.
I was totally blown away when I saw TFA in Laser 3d IMAX up in Boston.
no, they just delayed deciding what movie to show on that screen until last minute
I don’t think the small screen IMAX Laser projector design is even finished yet.
And I can’t see Lincoln Square not getting laser before places like this.
It was never closed. They just delayed scheduling the IMAX shows since they were deciding between abandoning Alice for Turtles or not (they chose the latter).
There is no way they’d put laser in here before Lincoln Square. I don’t even think they have their multi-plex laser projector finished yet (apparently they want something cheaper than the big one they put in a full true IMAX places so far).
I wish I had photos from inside the mall itself or in a packed auditorium here from the 80s. (I see that there are a ton of videos from Paramus HS from the 80s posted on youtube that show what it looked like in the local HS in Northwestern NJ though at least.)
(I have to say people looked a lot less dingy and grim looking than when you walk around the Rockaway mall today haha. Today, it’s like at least 85% nothing but hipsters, faux gangsters and grunge…. so it’s awfully drab and grim compared to the 80s. In fact, it hasn’t really changed much at all in that regard since the early late 90s, going on almost 20 years now.
The 80s styles held on a long time at Rockaway and I’d say the Rockaway and Willobrook Malls were basically as fully prototypical 80s as any place in the country, I think the mallrat started at these malls and the foot traffic is still at least somewhat relatively decent here still (maybe that’s why when they bring the 80s movies back at the current theater they seem to do way better business here than say at the Paramus AMC despite that being #1 for business theater in the region AFAIK), but I think the colors, styles, big hair and so on finally gave away to grunge and gangster hip-hop even here by around something like ‘95-'97 depending upon what exactly you are talking about. The Rockaway Mall stills gets relatively decent traffic though unlike a lot of other places where the mall culture seems to have totally died out.)
@blacknoi – thanks for posting those photos! It’s so rare to see photos from the mall and movie theaters from even just back then even, never mind what the mall looked like back in the 80s, in the age before cellphones.