Liberty Theatre
726 Blue Hill Avenue,
Dorchester,
MA
02121
726 Blue Hill Avenue,
Dorchester,
MA
02121
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I’ve been able to move some street views up to a mile or so (unfortunately, these moves always leave the pin icon on the map in the old location.) But I’ve noticed that there are places where Google’s street view camera just didn’t go, and some places where there is a disconnection from one block to another. A couple of times I’ve been able to “take an alternate route” around a disconnection, getting access to a particular block from the opposite direction.
These situations are especially common in small towns, where the camera truck didn’t travel every street, and in old cities with very irregular street layouts. If the views you’ve been trying to move have been in such locations, that might be the problem. I’ve had to update several small town theaters with views from an intersection down the street, simply because Google’s camera truck didn’t cover the block the theater is on. It’s usually not a very good view, but it’s better than none at all.
I think Ken must have adjusted and reset the view for the Liberty early this morning. It was farther away last night.
If you move the street view down Charlotte Street, just past the brick apartment house, you can see the side wall of the Liberty’s auditorium with the large plants growing from the roof. If I lived in that house next door, I’d be reluctant to use my side yard for fear that a big chunk of the wall of the theater would collapse onto it. I’m surprised that the local authorities haven’t condemned the auditorium and ordered its demolition.
Joe- the only time your technique worked for me was for the Rialto/Star in downtown Boston when I was easily able to move at least 500-600 feet up the street and around a bend, before pivoting left. All of the other times the View could not be moved far enough.The View goes to a certain point, and no further. Btw, I notice that the Street View above for the Liberty has been “unset” and brought in closer.
I’m not sure why it’s not working for you, Ron. As long as the “Update” button hasn’t already been used, and thus removed, I’ve always been able to reset the street views to the correct location. It might be a browser issue. I’ve only ever reset views using Opera, so I don’t know whether or not there are other browsers that don’t work properly with the Update feature.
At least in this Street View, the Liberty Theatre can be seen. Many of the Street Views are far from their theater. I used Joe Vogel’s technique above to sucessfully move the Street View for one theater at least 500- 600 feet up the street; but it was a dismal failure 7 or 8 other times. It seems to have something to do with the location of a “pivot-point” in the photo.
The Street View was “updated” too far from the theater’s entrance. Left click on the photo, then click the street arrow to move one or two turns up the block, then click the right arrow in the compass rose at upper left to pivot to a more direct view of the theater front. You can also left click on the photo and hold the button down, then move your mouse to pivot the view to either side, or up or down.
It’s possible to get decent views of most theaters, but a lot of pages have been updated with inferior views, and in some cases with no view of the theater at all. Many CT users who have updated the views seem to be unaware of the finer points of Street View’s workings (not surprising, since those workings aren’t explained anywhere on the page, and not everybody is familiar with the application.)
In the Google Streetview photo above, the Liberty’s entrance is just beyond the light pole and the blue awning. The decorative filials poking up at the top of the theater facade are original.
The auditorium was still standing when Google’s and Bing’s satellite views were made, but it was in very rough shape. In fact there is shrubbery growing on the roof! In Google’s satellite view I actually thought the building had been demolished, the growth along the edges of the roof is so thick. Some of them appear to be young trees.
If this building hasn’t been at least stabilized since those pictures were taken, I can only imagine how bad its condition must be by now. Once large plants have taken root on a building’s roof, its collapse is very near. I doubt that there’s much hope for the Liberty Theatre’s survival.
The Liberty in Dorchester is listed in the “Theatre Construction, Openings and Sales” column of Boxoffice, October 8, 1949. The house had been remodeled for ATC Theatres and reopened as an art house. ATC (American Theatres Corporation) was a chain headed by Sam Pinanski, formerly of M&P Theatres.
The address is 726, per county registry of deeds and city assessment documents and maps. It’s still there building and all- it’s not torn down, it’s crumbling in some spots but it’s still there.
The city owns the property and is trying to sell it, hopefully someone decides to save the property from demolition and renovates it: any use is better than demolition.
In a 1918 Boston street directory, the Liberty Th. at 724 or 730 Blue Hill Ave. is not listed. So it opened sometime after 1918.
I heard from someone who talked with someone who attended the open house on Nov 20 and who says that the theater is still intact, but very shabby inside. At the showing, the original address was stated as being # 724.
This morning at 11 AM the Liberty was open so that prospective buyers could view the property. The City of Boston is now apparently the owner. The address they used is “724”. I get the impression that the place is all still intact. I am hoping to hear from someone who went to the showing. I have heard that it closed to movies way back in 1954, but I’m not sure of that.
I talked to a lady named Meriam at the African American Hair Salon this morning and asked her if she knew anything about the Old Liberty Theatre. She said the only thing left of the theatre is the building that housed the entrance and she stated that the address above the doorway was 730. The space is vacant at this time. She said there has been many different types of stores in the building over the last five years.
In the souvenire booklet for the 1983 convention in Boston of the Theatre Historical Society there is an exterior view of the Liberty as well as an interior photo. The latter was taken from the center of the main floor looking towards the screen and probably dates from when the house was new. Inside the proscenium arch there is a second proscenium with drapes and curtains which cover the movie screen. On each sidewall there is a large box with 6 or more seats in it. There may have been a balcony as well. There are fancy metal grills above the boxes and capped pilasters and wall hangings on the side walls. There is a flat, plain ceiling with moulding around it and no chandeliers, but the photographer may have been standing too far forward for any lighting to show. It’s a nice, smaller theater which appears to have been purpose-built for movies.
Since we now know that the street address for the Liberty is somewhere around 724/730 Blue Hill Avenue, this means that it is fairly close to another surviving theater, the Franklin Park Th., which is at 616 Blue Hill Ave. The latter is a church and its interior was damaged by a fire last winter.
The African American Hair Salon address is 738, so going back to the theatre if the numbers are consistant that would put the Liberty address at 730 Blue Hill Ave. US Postal Service says 730 is a valid address. 724 thru 728 is not a valid address, may not be deliverable. Don’t know is that helps.
I just went to Google Street View for 724 Blue Hill Avenue in Dorchester, and there is no doubt whatsoever that the Liberty Theatre, (the entrance structure at least), is still standing. So is the old apartment building to its left, which has been “modernized” to some extent.
Thank you, EdFindlay, for estimating the street address, and for the news that it is still standing. Charlie Stewart in 1983 wrote that it was serving as a warehouse at that time.
Address is roughly 724 or 726 Blue Hill Ave.
And this theater is not demolished, it is still standing.
There was a good-quality exterior photo of the Liberty Theatre in the souvenir booklet for the 1983 convention of the Theatre Historical Society in Boston. The photo came from the collection of Earl Stanley “Charlie” Stewart and is undated. At the time, the Liberty had a rectangular marquee with “Liberty Theatre” in bulbed letters on the front. Above was a very fancy vertical blade sign. Under the marquee was a small sign with the NETOCO logo. Attractions posted are Greta Garbo in “Wild Orchids” plus a Tom Mix movie. To the left is the same apartment house which shows in the 1941 MGM photo; to the right is a Pharmacy. There is a notation that the Liberty is “presently a warehouse” (in 1983).
The MGM Theatre Photograph and Report form for the Liberty Theatre has an exterior photo dated April 1941. The theatre entrance was at the left end of a 1 ½ story commercial block. The theatre had a fancy facade with an arched window above and a pointed parapet above that. There was a triangular marquee and a single poster case on each side of the entrance doors. To the left of the theatre was a 3-story brick apartment building. Next to it on the right was a store with “Franklin Park” in its name, possibly “Franklin Park Pharmacy” or “Franklin Park Photography”. The Report states that the Liberty is on Blue Hill Avenue (But unfortunately does not give the street number), that it has been playing MGM films for over 10 years; that it’s over 15 years old and in Poor condition, and has 898 seats. In the 1927 Film Daily Yearbook, the Liberty is listed as having 700 seats and being open 7 days per week. The theatre was part of the M&P Theatres circuit at one time.