Radio City Music Hall

1260 6th Avenue,
New York, NY 10020

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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 11, 2005 at 1:18 pm

I have never see digital film but does it have the warmth, luminosity and almost sculptural presence of the best of 35 or 70MM film? I much prefer the sound of 6 track pre Dolby stereo. I once saw a gorgeous print of Swing Time years ago at the Gramercy. One of the most beautiful things I ever saw in my life.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on February 11, 2005 at 1:01 pm

Digital projection solves a number of problems, especially during the Christmas run where all of the five booth film projectors may be in use in that show. The film projectors are pointed at different areas of the stage depending what “screen” or set piece they are projecting on. Those pieces are struck at the end of the show. When a premiere takes place the house picture sheet comes in electrically, so there is no fly floor crew present to bring in the set pieces to re-set the projectors. I had worked out a way to get the machines back to their positions without having to bring the pieces in, but understandably, and especially with the 3-D sequence, its better not to change the booth projector set up.
The new digital projectors also have the advantage of being much more efficient in terms of light output, since you’re not projecting through film, but reflecting from a mirror surface which doesn’t buckle or deform from the heat of the lamp. The advantage of the use of two (and these weren’t the full sized units which mount on a standard projector base), is that not only do you double the light, but you also have 100% back-up, albeit at half brightness if one fails. (The legend when I was a kid was that the Hall always ran two film prints interlocked for brightness and back-up. I did a couple of premieres that way, but you can’t superimpose the imgages because of the difference in projector angle. With digital projectors you can electronically correct keystone, and actually make the legend true.) In addition, since they have a relatively small footprint, the projectors may be located at an almost zero degree angle in the First Mezzanine.
Radio City has been doing video projection for years, even before I started there in 1974, and by the time I left we were doing far more video projection in our concerts and stage presentations than we were film projection. Digital feature presentation is a logical extension of that trend, and it is rapidly getting better.

Vito
Vito on February 10, 2005 at 7:12 am

REndres, You certainly answered my question. thanks very much. I was sad to hear they used digital projection and can’t help wonder why.
It seems mad to me to run two digital projectors instead of simply running film (the way God intended). Even for “The Sopranos”, isn’t that shot on film? so why not show it on 35mm?
Seriously, what is the advantage to what they did?
I remember a Techicolor tech telling me they could never run digital projection at RCMH because of the long throw and light needs, well I guess they found a way, and I guess a server would work better than tape. I remember when those surrounds went up, if I recall, Ray Dolby himself was involved in the Lion King job, always thought there were too many surrounds, have they removed some of them?
As for platters, last time I was in the booth I did not see any and was happy about that, for heavens sake with four projectors and two 306 projectionists in the booth masking changeovers what the heck do they need with a platter. By the way, let me say how wonderfull it is to have you aboard with so much projection knowledge. It was a void that needed desperatly to be filled and I appreciate very much your imput here. I never had the pleasure of working with Ben Olevsky but he was of course a legend in his time, any good stories there?

chconnol
chconnol on February 9, 2005 at 1:11 pm

They played the organ before the Christmas show started. At first, it was just one on the left hand side. Then, as a finale, the one on the right came out and finished things up with a kind of organ duet. My daughter LOVED it! She thought it was part of the show.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 9, 2005 at 12:50 pm

I do remember and hope that many of the people who contribute to the site are able to make it(myself including.) It’s been years since I’ve been there as there hasn’t been a thing I’ve wanted to see and I know when I see all the cables and speakers that Cablevision has all over the place I’m going to have to grit my teeth.
Is the organ still played when they have a special movie premiere?

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 9, 2005 at 12:06 pm

Also trying to arrange my schedule to attend the one-hour organ concert at RCMH. It always chokes me up as “sense memory” immediately churns up all the days and nights thrilling to the organ interludes, films and stage shows. Perhaps Vincent, you remember that if you went to the first show on Sunday, the doors opened around 11:15 am and the film didn’t start until noon. Dick, Ashley, or Ray would play for more than 30 minutes with a stop (no pun intended). Otherwise you had to be content with the five-minute breaks.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 9, 2005 at 11:57 am

I did see Young Bess at the Regency and thought it was terrific. I only wish I was around during the 50’s. Where I work now is only a few blocks from Radio City and how I wish I could head over for the 6PM stage show after work and then a spectacular Hollywood movie(sorry but Ben Stiller and Reese Witherspoon just don’t do it for me.)
With the upcoming organ concert one can imagine the Rockettes and then an Astaire Rodgers RKO musical after. And if there is one person out there who doesn’t think Swing Time is one of the top ten American films of all time they can go and join the AFI where people like Lucas and Spielberg are considered great directors.

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 9, 2005 at 11:22 am

Vincent, you are a purist and as such to be commended. Did you by any chance see “Young Bess” at the Music Hall in 1953 when the breathtaking stage show recreated the coronation of Queen Elizabeth. Meanwhile the Guild Theater (next door) was showing the gorgeous Technicolor documentary “A Queen is Crowned.” What a time for anglophiles.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 9, 2005 at 10:36 am

To be honest I’ve already seen quite a number of films TCM shows at the Regency, MOMA, Film Forum and Biograph. I find that when I see these same films on TV they’re greatly diminished and have nowhere near the impact they have on a movie screen. So if I’ve never seen a film before I don’t want to see it for the first time on television. I know I’m in the minority and that few people go to revival screenings anymore. I find silents especially deadly on TV.
Billy Wilder once said that he didn’t dislike any director enough to watch his movies on TV.

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 9, 2005 at 9:29 am

Vincent, you must not be watching the TCM channel. “H.M Pulham,Esq” is a charming and witty film directed by King Vidor and based on a story by John P. Marquand. It stars the gorgeous Hedy Lamarr as the woman who encourages proper Bostonion Robert Young out of his shell. It received rave reviews and did excellent business.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 9, 2005 at 8:58 am

Excellent Simon. Thanks so much. I’m always discovering great films that played at the Hall. Didn’t know Hunchback of Notre Dame opened there. Now what in the world is HM Pulham Esq?

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 9, 2005 at 8:34 am

Hey Vincent, this will clear up your question whether the Christmas show always played through the New Year. In 1935, “The Littlest Rebel” played only 11 days (split week)Dec 19 -29 with “Magnificent Obsession” opening on the 30th, also playing 10 days (another rare split week). In 1936, “Rainbow on the River” played Dec 17 – 30. The Girl from Paris (Lili Pons) opened on the 31st. In 1937, “I’ll Take Romance (Grace Moore) played Dec 16 – 29. "Tovarich” opened on the 30th. In 1938, “A Christmas Carol” played one hot week Dec. 22 – 28. “Topper Takes a Trip” opened Dec 29 also for just one week. In 1939, “Balalaika” played Dec 14 – 27. “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” opened on Dec 28. That of course, brings us back to “No No Nanette.” However, in 1941, “ HM Pulham Esq” played Dec 18 – 30. “Babes on Broadway” opened on Dec 31. Anyway that sort of establishes that the Christmas show didn’t always make it into the New Year.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 9, 2005 at 8:15 am

Nanette seems to have been one of those strange choices for a holiday show(the Easter show had some really bizarre films) that the Music Hall would sometimes make. No Hollywood stars and no Vincent Youman’s score! So what was left was a dreary black and white comedy. Maybe some powerful exec at RKO who wanted the prestigious Christmas booking to launch a film that needed all the help it could get held a gun to their heads.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on February 9, 2005 at 8:07 am

I’ll have to check with Brad Hohle of Dolby when he gets back from the Coast as to which recent premieres have been run from a platter. Brad who was on the MH crew when I was there was also instrumental in designing the “Lion King” motion-picture sound system, which put a full set of surround speakers in the Hall for the first time. He usually is the Dolby rep for premieres. I do know that the last few have been digital rather than on film. The HBO premiere of “The Sopranos” was presented digitally for obvious reasons. This Christmas the “Christmas With the Kranks” premiere was done with two Texas Instrument DLP projectors superimposed from the First Mezzanine. I think the program source was a server and not D-5 tape(which is also used for premiere presentations). The two projectors put out about the same light as the 70mm machines in the booth, and ran on the same 65' wide “Scope” ratio screen as the 35mm image. That would have been an advantage for the booth crew, since the booth set-up for the Christmas Show would not have to be disturbed. (When we did the “101 Dalmations” premiere for Disney, we again locked a 70mm machine with platter to a 35mm machine with plaatter for Dolby Digital sound. The other two 70mm machines were run “reel-to-reel” as back-up as was the case for the premiere of “Lion King”. Everything had to then be put back and the projectors repositioned for the next morning’s Christmas Show). Radio City doesn’t have a platter in the booth, but brings them in as needed, although I think you’ll be seeing more and more premieres done digitally.

Vito
Vito on February 9, 2005 at 5:51 am

I wondered about the 3-D projection at the Christmas show, thanks for that info. REndres, how are they running movies today? I know a platter was installed for “Lion King” in order to show it in 70mm with a 35mm interlocked Dolby digital soundtrack. Is the platter still in use or do they show films (Harry Potter, etc)on 2000k or 6000k reel to reel?

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 8, 2005 at 5:18 pm

Is this the only example of a movie at the Hall having two different stage shows during the same run? Could it be that Nanette was such a disappointment that they rushed in Philadelphia story and felt it was too early to change the Christmas show? I believe up until then the Nativity was always still playing at New Years. This might be the only time it wasn’t.
The last time Bolero was done was in 70 which much to my regret I did not see. In 71 they did the last Rhapsody in Blue and in 72 they did the last Undersea Ballet. When I worked there I remember somebody saying that the huge revolving mirrored disc which was the centerpeice of Blue had been dismantled and given out and somebody using it for his house. From within they were destroying everything that made the Hall great. I wonder if the Glory of Easter set and costumes still exist.

veyoung52
veyoung52 on February 8, 2005 at 3:40 pm

i think all of you guys/gals are magnificent.I am gathering a list of questions for Mr. Enders, and anybody else. Me: I',m just an audience member.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 8, 2005 at 3:00 pm

With Mary Queen of Scots the stage show was Winter Cruise where half way through the stage was transformed into the image of an ocean at night with a small model of a ship in the distance floating across the stage. On the Twentieth Century utilized this concept for the great Imogene Coca train chase in the second half to show two trains going past each other in the middle of the night as the cast chased Coca all over inside and outside the train. It always got a big hand.
This effect must go back to the beginning of presentation house stage shows.

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 8, 2005 at 2:18 pm

GREAT recollection, thanks Robbie.

I feel as if I were there!

bzemanbz
bzemanbz on February 8, 2005 at 1:37 pm

Mogambo! Wow, Clark Gable, Ava Gardner and Grace Kelly…how could you top a cast like that.
As a wide-eyed, impressionable eight year old, the movie was always lost on me, completely overwhelmed by the Music Hall itself.
A small part of that “Salute to Air-Travel” stage show has stayed with me all these years and if I close my eyes and think about it now, I’m there.
Picture it: On stage, a mock-up of what seemed to be a DC-3 Gooney Bird. Passengers and stewardeses (this was long before there were flight attendents) running across the “tarmac”, going up the gangway whilst waving frenetically to imaginaries in the wings. House lights dimmer and dimmer, and, and, WHOA! what’s that hiss? A curtain of steam rises before the proscenium as the house gets darker and darker, almost pitch dark. In the blackness before us floats the fantastic illusion of clouds and behind them, with running lights blinking and cabin lights ablaze, lost in those clouds, a distant DC-3 flys across the stage.
I think, though I’m not sure, that this was the finale of the stage presentation. Don’t remember what happened next, but do remember the stage hand with the mop, scooting across the stage apron mopping up the remenents of fantasy.

So convinceing this stage-craft, witch-craft, trompe l'oeil, that a half century later it still plays well to me and evokes warm nostalgia.
Oh, glorious, mighty hall…I’ll stop now.

EMarkisch
EMarkisch on February 8, 2005 at 1:07 pm

As a side note, the New York Theater Organ Society is sponsoring a concert on “The Grand Radio City Music Hall 4/58 Mighty Wurlitzer” on Saturday afternoon, February 19th.

Check the NYTOS web page at http://www.nytos.org/ for details.

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 8, 2005 at 12:42 pm

The opening of “Kiss Me Kate” was very well timed and thought out. It played 4 very satisfactory weeks during November 1953 and over the traditionally slow Thanksgiving season. That primed it for its wide Christmas release. It followed a hugely successful 5 week run of “Mogambo.” The stage show with “Mogombo” was a salute to air-travel and featured the simulated flight of a huge jet liner across the stage. Does anyone remember more detail?

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 8, 2005 at 12:23 pm

Judging by the demand for extra 3-D prints, I would say it was more successful than anticipated.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 8, 2005 at 12:05 pm

Interesting because according to Variety grosses KMK doesn’t seem to have done all that well at the Hall being a fall film. I think at this point in 53 the Hall while still in the black was beginning to feel the effects of TV. The MGM films that came out in 54 in cinemascope certainly look like they were made on a tight budget as compared to films like Band Wagon and KMK which are first class all the way. In terms of production values Knights, Seven Brides and Brigadoon look as if the original budgets were cut in half(Ansco color!)Did Kate do better in the burbs in 3D?

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 8, 2005 at 11:05 am

Contrary to urban legend, KISS ME KATE had a very wide 3-D release. Despite the Music Hall’s flat presentation, the film opened wide on the Loew’s circuit in 3-D just in time for Christmas, 1953. It even played sub-run engagements in its depth version.

In fact, MGM had to strike additional left/right 3-D pairs to meet exhibitors demand for prints.

Bob