Radio City Music Hall

1260 6th Avenue,
New York, NY 10020

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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 8, 2005 at 1:00 pm

With Mary Queen of Scots the stage show was Winter Cruise where half way through the stage was transformed into the image of an ocean at night with a small model of a ship in the distance floating across the stage. On the Twentieth Century utilized this concept for the great Imogene Coca train chase in the second half to show two trains going past each other in the middle of the night as the cast chased Coca all over inside and outside the train. It always got a big hand.
This effect must go back to the beginning of presentation house stage shows.

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 8, 2005 at 12:18 pm

GREAT recollection, thanks Robbie.

I feel as if I were there!

bzemanbz
bzemanbz on February 8, 2005 at 11:37 am

Mogambo! Wow, Clark Gable, Ava Gardner and Grace Kelly…how could you top a cast like that.
As a wide-eyed, impressionable eight year old, the movie was always lost on me, completely overwhelmed by the Music Hall itself.
A small part of that “Salute to Air-Travel” stage show has stayed with me all these years and if I close my eyes and think about it now, I’m there.
Picture it: On stage, a mock-up of what seemed to be a DC-3 Gooney Bird. Passengers and stewardeses (this was long before there were flight attendents) running across the “tarmac”, going up the gangway whilst waving frenetically to imaginaries in the wings. House lights dimmer and dimmer, and, and, WHOA! what’s that hiss? A curtain of steam rises before the proscenium as the house gets darker and darker, almost pitch dark. In the blackness before us floats the fantastic illusion of clouds and behind them, with running lights blinking and cabin lights ablaze, lost in those clouds, a distant DC-3 flys across the stage.
I think, though I’m not sure, that this was the finale of the stage presentation. Don’t remember what happened next, but do remember the stage hand with the mop, scooting across the stage apron mopping up the remenents of fantasy.

So convinceing this stage-craft, witch-craft, trompe l'oeil, that a half century later it still plays well to me and evokes warm nostalgia.
Oh, glorious, mighty hall…I’ll stop now.

EMarkisch
EMarkisch on February 8, 2005 at 11:07 am

As a side note, the New York Theater Organ Society is sponsoring a concert on “The Grand Radio City Music Hall 4/58 Mighty Wurlitzer” on Saturday afternoon, February 19th.

Check the NYTOS web page at http://www.nytos.org/ for details.

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 8, 2005 at 10:42 am

The opening of “Kiss Me Kate” was very well timed and thought out. It played 4 very satisfactory weeks during November 1953 and over the traditionally slow Thanksgiving season. That primed it for its wide Christmas release. It followed a hugely successful 5 week run of “Mogambo.” The stage show with “Mogombo” was a salute to air-travel and featured the simulated flight of a huge jet liner across the stage. Does anyone remember more detail?

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 8, 2005 at 10:23 am

Judging by the demand for extra 3-D prints, I would say it was more successful than anticipated.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 8, 2005 at 10:05 am

Interesting because according to Variety grosses KMK doesn’t seem to have done all that well at the Hall being a fall film. I think at this point in 53 the Hall while still in the black was beginning to feel the effects of TV. The MGM films that came out in 54 in cinemascope certainly look like they were made on a tight budget as compared to films like Band Wagon and KMK which are first class all the way. In terms of production values Knights, Seven Brides and Brigadoon look as if the original budgets were cut in half(Ansco color!)Did Kate do better in the burbs in 3D?

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 8, 2005 at 9:05 am

Contrary to urban legend, KISS ME KATE had a very wide 3-D release. Despite the Music Hall’s flat presentation, the film opened wide on the Loew’s circuit in 3-D just in time for Christmas, 1953. It even played sub-run engagements in its depth version.

In fact, MGM had to strike additional left/right 3-D pairs to meet exhibitors demand for prints.

Bob

chconnol
chconnol on February 8, 2005 at 8:35 am

For the Christmas show, they give you the glasses with each program and they did a good job ensuring that everyone had them. The announced repeatedly that everyone should have the glasses and the attendents were very good about getting them out. You could keep them at the end.

Like I said, the movie was fine and I understand why it was short. I was just a little surprised that they did not utilize more 3D effects. Again, I think I’m expecting too much now…

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on February 8, 2005 at 8:09 am

The opening effect is intended as a prologue, and one of the reasons they decided to go ahead with a 3-D effect is that it is short. There are still problems when using the gain screen necessary for 3-D at Radio City. The downward angle is about 19 degrees, and the auditorium is a block wide. Thus there are still some places where the light and polarization may not be optimum even with a 70' wide screen. It was gutsy of them to go ahead (and yes — deal with all those 3-D glasses). Vito, in answer to your question — I started as Head Projectionist at Radio City in January of 1974 and left in 2000. Long enough to get a 25 year gold ring from Madison Square Garden.

chconnol
chconnol on February 8, 2005 at 7:51 am

Re: the 3D film at the beginning of this year’s Christmas show. It’s mediocre. It’s not very long and it’s way skimpy on the 3D effects. I thought it was/is a great idea to open the show but it’s not very imaginatively done. You will see much better 3D shows at Disney. (I know…I’m stomping on the Christmas show again….)

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on February 8, 2005 at 7:46 am

Right— “On Demand,” not “No Down”— sorry for the slip. The date is accurate. Is the story about the projection booth true?

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 8, 2005 at 7:43 am

The Bette Davis film that BoxOfficBill refers to is “Payment on Demand” (not “No Down Payment). Also the original and long publicized title of the Davis film was "Story of a Divorce.” It was changed just before the opening.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on February 8, 2005 at 7:26 am

It was planned to run “Kiss Me Kate” at the Hall in 3-D, and in fact, it was announced that it would run without the intermission as the Hall had four projectors. Ben Olevsky, who was Head Projectionist at the time, told me that everythng was set up, and they did indeed run a test run in 3-D, where it was discovered that they would lose about 2,000 seats because of the light drop off from the gain screen in the corners of the auditorium. At that point the Hall was still filling its seats, and it was felt that the economic loss would be too great. Theatres in the rest of the country took the attitiude, “Well if Radio City won’t bother with 3-D why should we?” I always thought that the Radio City rejection might have been the turning point that killed 3-D. Ironically, the current Christmas show at Radio City starts with a 3-D segment, projected on two projectors with 7,000 watt lamps,and from 70mm film running at 30 frames per second. Its a short segment, but everyone I’ve talked to who has seen it says its very impressive.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on February 8, 2005 at 6:55 am

Kiss Me Kate looked great when I showed it in double-system 3-D last year at the Lafayette, Vincent. There are many good depth effects and few off-screen gimmicks (other than one 30 second section). The projection angle of the Jersey might make 3-D presentations difficult down there.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 8, 2005 at 6:46 am

It would have been pretty bizarre for the Hall to have presented Kate in 3D. The logistics of handing out the thousands of glasses and then collecting them for each performance and then dealing with all the people who have no idea it’s in 3D and then disturb the others to complain. What a nightmare.
KMK is a very good George Sidney MGM musical and on the whole makes little use of the 3D effects. While it’s enormous fun to see it with a two projector system it stands on it’s own.
That all being said how about it being included on a 3D festival at the Loew’s Jersey?

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on February 8, 2005 at 6:38 am

One story might concern “No Down Payment,” with Bette Davis, which opened at RCMH on 15 Feb. ‘51. The film had been made much earlier and then shelved, but upon the success of “All About Eve” was hastily released, though with a new ending that RKO finished on the eve of opening day. The new final reel was reportedly still in flight from LA when the projectionist had started the first screening on W 50 Street, and it arrived in the booth just minutes before it was due on the screen.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on February 8, 2005 at 5:58 am

I think that Kiss Me Kate did not show in 3-D at the Music Hall. I’ll ask Bob Furmanek to add his expertise about 3-D to this thread.

Simon L. Saltzman
Simon L. Saltzman on February 8, 2005 at 3:59 am

Can any of the projectionists remember this. I seem to remember (or am I dreaming?) that showings of “Kiss Me Kate” were projected in both 3-D and regular…either alternately on the same day or every other day.

veyoung52
veyoung52 on February 8, 2005 at 3:53 am

And I am so happy that you are still with us.I got a number of questions to ask of you, if you don’t mind.

Vito
Vito on February 8, 2005 at 3:51 am

Also, which years did you work the booth?

Vito
Vito on February 8, 2005 at 3:44 am

REndres, Nice to hear fom you, as a projectionist for many many years I always wondered about any projection horror storys at RCMH. Would you share any? I can still hear the guys in thr booth calling out the changeover cues.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on February 7, 2005 at 1:38 pm

In answer to veyoung’s question — Yes Robert Endres is still with us — or at least I was when I looked into the mirror this morning (although I still haven’t been booed by 500 drunk army guys on a Friday night)! The room OConnolly is referring to is probably one of the two broadcast booths on either side of the auditorium. Since Roxy was supposed to do a radio show from the broadcast studio over the auditorium, there were extensive broadcast options built into the Hall including tie lines to NBC’s studios across the street. One of the booths in the auditorium became the tape playback room when the Hall changed fomats in 1979.

chconnol
chconnol on February 7, 2005 at 11:40 am

Since we’re kind of discussing RCMH oddities, I remember back in 1977 when I took the NBC tour which included a backstage tour of RCMH we were shown this odd “room” which overlooked the orchestra level of the auditorium. It was on the right hand side of the auditorium and was about (I’m guessing here) about twelve feet above the auditorium floor and was angled to see the stage though you could clearly see most of the auditorium from it. It was about ¾ down towards the stage. There was soundproof glass in the room and it was small (only fit about four people). The tour guide said that it was impossible to be seen in this room by anyone in the auditorium. I never understood what purpose this room served unless it was for VIP’s or for security.

I wonder if it’s still there. Does anyone else recall seeing or hearing of anything like this?

veyoung52
veyoung52 on February 7, 2005 at 11:01 am

Is Mr. Rober Enders (sp?) still with us. He was (is) the master RCMH projectionist, who said the famous line: “you aint been boo'ed until you been boo'ed by 6000 people.” And I was the one who, as an Army projectionist in Ft. Totten (Queens, NY), who said, “and you ain’t been boo'ed until you been boo'ed buy 500 drunk army guys on a Friday night.”