Oceanside Twin
2743 Long Beach Road,
Oceanside,
NY
11572
2743 Long Beach Road,
Oceanside,
NY
11572
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CConnolly, you really have a bug up you ass about this place.
I know this site is meant to mourn the passing of movie theaters but in this case, I can hardly feel sad about losing the Oceanside. It was an insult to movie going. The owners always kept the theater trashy as hell. It was horrible going there. The only reason why it ever stayed open is that the neighborhood is very nice and it deserved a better theater.
Please update the listing to show that the theatre is closed. It may not reopen.
There was no fire damage to the theater itself. There was very heavy smoke and water damage. Most of the damage came from the firefighters ripping open the ceilings and walls. I understand that they have to do this, but the extent to which they did made no sense. It is highly unlikely that the theater will ever re-open. To repair all the damage would not be cost effective.
Does anyone know the details and extent of damage from the recent fire at the theater? The NY Post and Daily News list the theater’s showtimes as ‘closed due to fire’.
Not that this has anything to do with the Oceanside Theater but for anyone who knows the area or grew up there, it might be interesting to know that the “lovely” Oceanside Motel is going to be demolished. This “great” place has been a fixture in Oceanside right across the street from the movie theater since 1962.
Where the movie theater is and the motel is a strange place because most of Long Beach Road is very nice (though way overdeveloped). The particular store front where the movie theater is in is positively SLUMMY as hell. It looks more like a storefront in a rundown town. Maybe with the motel’s closing (they’re making it a town parking lot) it will improve that section.
Just an FYI…
People do anything to save money. If they would just put a little money into the place, then maybe they would be doing better.
I remember years ago when we would order tickets they would sometimes offer us tickets printed for other theatres that had errors on them or they had gone out of business.
saps: Figures. The ULTRA el-cheapo Oceanside continues it’s ways. Unbelievable. Was a hole, always a hole.
I recently went to this theater and I got a ticket stub from the Strand Twin; the address is listed on the ticket as 25-15 Broadway. Small world.
Most people wonder about that all the time. In most theaters, especially the ones with a lot of screens, you really dont have time to watch the movies. All projectionist today have more than one job. At most theaters, the pay is not bad but you share the booth with 2 or 3 other people so you only get around 20-30 hours a week. The one hour changeovers are that way only because you put 3 small reels together on a larger reel. It cuts down on the changeovers. You usually do it that way if you know the movie is going to stay for a while. Also, finding the cue marks is not always so easy. I worked a screening room one time and did a screening of little mermaid I think. At the end of one of the reels, it was an underwater scene. There were bubbles everywhere. I could not see either set of cue marks. They blended in with the bubbles. So the next show, I marked the frames with stripes so I would not miss it again.
Also, just one other comment/question that I’ve wondered about even in today’s megaplexes: how they HELL did you guys sit through the same movie over and over and over and over and over without losing your minds? I mean, at least in today’s movie going environment, the films change over a lot. But “back in the days” (even when I was a kid in the 70’s) films would stay in the same single screener for months. “Jaws” played at the Green Acres in Valley Stream from it’s release in May or June of 1975 until Christmas. I thought it would never leave. The projectionists there must’ve gone out of their minds!
I heard about the cue mark (like a quick DOT on the screen) before the reel change when I was a kid and went to the movies a lot. As a kid, I began to look for it. In the cheaper theaters (like the UA Farmingdale…second run but nice theaters) I’d could see the cue and then a few seconds later, I could tell when the reel was different because sometimes (very often, I hate to say) the next reel’s quality was not the same as the first, either good or bad. And there was occasionally a bit of a “blip” in the sound and a tiny jump. I guess that’s where the change over was.
All this must’ve been hard enough with a normal movie at or under 2 hours. But those longer flicks like “Ben Hur” or “My Fair Lady” must’ve been murder.
I was very interested in becoming a projectionist when I was younger in the 80’s. But my friend’s father, who was the projectionist at the Port Washington multiplex, kind of talked me out of it because he said it was difficult to get int the union AND the jobs were drying up. He had to supplement his income by doing office cleaning (ran his own firm). He started out at the Oceanside when he was around 20 years old.
I can recall when I first learned of the changeover cue marks and the fact that changeovers occurred approximately every 20 minutes.(hour changeovers must have been a later development). I even got to the point of noticing the cue marks at the top right of the screen and anticipating the change to the next reel. A few times the warning bells could be heard from the booth. Most often the changeover would be seamless, but occasionally there’d be a glitch and everything went to black, or for whatever reason there’d be a wobbly start to the next reel. I gather that the cue marks were a permanent part of the film since I notice that they still appear in some of the older movies shown on tv.
A lot of theaters did have the bells but some did not. You could tell by watching the reel, when you were getting near the end. Each machine had 2 portholes. One for the projector, and one for the projectionist. The pedastals were never really bolted down. The four bolts at the bottom of the pedastal are used to level the equipment. They are so heavy that there really is no chance for it to move. The pedastal holds the lamphouse, projector head, and soundhead. Together they weigh about 450 pound. The platers started being used sometime in the 70’s I think. There are never any idiotic questions about this subject. Most people never now how the old booths work.
CConnolly
The two (or more) projectors were a few feet apart from each other so the projectionist could thread the film and clean and maintain the projectors. Each projector had it’s own hole usually called a portal, which in most houses had a pane of glass to keep the sound out. In the better theatres we operated we had special optical glass, the other plain glass or plexi-glass. The projectors were indeed bolted to the floor, although in some theatres the base was so heavy that this was not neccesary. You asked about watching for the cues, well there was a series of bells that rand to tell you that the reel was getting close to the changeover. There were 20 minute reels and hour long reels. Glad to try to clarify some of this for you.
RCDTJ: Please be patient with me if you feel I’m asking idiotic questions. I’ve never been in one of the older projection booths and this stuff fascinates me. Anything about movies does…
So you have two projectors. Is the “window” through which the image is projected big enough so that the projectionist doesn’t have to slide one projector out of the way when transferring to the next reel? I’m assuming that in the two machine method, they are pretty much right next to one another, correct? Were they also bolted to the floor and such to avoid shaking?
The platter method did away with this two projector operation, right? When did this start to be used?
During the two machine operation, it must’ve required the projectionist to pay attention while watching the film for those cue marks especially if it was a new movie and they were not sure where they were. Did you ever “fall asleep at the wheel”?
Thanks for the info…
OConnolly, Before platters, 2 machines were used. There are 2 sets of cue marks at the end of each reel. The projectionist would watch near the end of the reel for them. When the first set would pass, he or she would turn on the motor for the next machine. When the second set would pass (about 8 seconds later) they would press a button that would changeover the picture and sound at the same exact time. You would never notice the change. Some houses still use changeovers.
Jesus…I never knew there was so much to the projector! This is fascinating.
I once had a friend who’s father was the projectionist at the Port Washington Multiplex. He gave me a quick tour of one of the projector rooms. I saw that they had layed out the movie “A Fish Called Wanda” on the huge platter, which I understand, was a fairly new development (don’t know the year but from other posts for other theaters, it seemed that way). No offense, but in the “olden days” without the platter, how did the projectionist change reels without any disruption? I know that near the end of a reel, all films have a tiny “blip” that appears in one of the corners to alert the projectionist to change reels. Can someone explain how this is done?
ALSO…does anyone here realize the wealth of great information that people like RobertR and Warren and so many others (especially on the Radio City Music Hall board) are writing here? This subject and the various memories are perfect for a documentary.
That is very true. We get way more life out of the bulbs at my theater. Its all in the way you care for them. Like a car engine, its the starting of the bulb that degrades them. We light the bulbs at the start of the first show and never shut them down till midnight. Also each machine has it’s own exhaust. The cooler you keep them the longer they last. We use 1000 watt bulbs at my theater. You usually get around 2000 hours out of them. We average around 7000 hours. Even at 7000 hours, we get 16FL in the center with around 14FL at the sides. Also when bulbs get older it will change the color of the light on the screen. A brand new bulb will burn nice and white. As it ages, it gets a brownish tint to it.
I remember from my theatre days that many times the bulbs lasted way past their expectancy. You were supposed to change them when they hit their recommended hours of usage or they could explode and ruin the reflector mirror or damage the lamphouse. Many times though the bulbs seemed to live on and on, but the picture got darker and sometimes the bulbs burned uneven causing dark patches.
You have to understand something very important about Xenon bulbs and lamphouses. If you run a xenon bulb below the proper amperage, you decrease the life of the bulb. To change the power output of the bulb, you change the amperage not the voltage. The voltage remains at around 25 volts DC. A 2000 watt bulb, like they use at oceanside, runs at around 75 amps DC. It may save electricity (pennies maybe) but you will kill the bulb. You change the brightness of the light on the screen by moving the bulb closer or further away from the reflector inside the lamphouse. Bulbs should always be run at full power. As far as burning the screen, it does not matter how close the projector is to the screen. What matters is how big the screen is. The more area of screen you have to cover, the darker the light is. Oceanside runs the bulbs at full power. They just run them until they burn out or explode.
That link should be www.film-tech.com (without the comma)
Here’s an interesting Q & A from Roger Ebert’s 10/03/04 column concerning screen brightness. Hey, CConnolly, maybe we should get a light meter and check out some of these local houses!
Q. I know well your well-deserved attacks on theater managers who don’t have bulbs at full brightness. So when I was hired as the general manager of the Grand Cinema, a non-profit movie theater in Tacoma, Wash., I resolved not to be one of those managers. One of my first questions to my projectionist was whether we have the bulbs of our three screens at full power. We don’t.
And five months later, we still don’t. As he tells me, our theaters are so small (no more than 50 or 60 feet from projector to screen) that having our bulbs at full would burn our screens and wash out a picture. I’ve relied on his judgment, but I think it’s time to check this. Is there any evidence to suggest that a bulb should be dimmed slightly or significantly if playing in a very small theater?
Erik Hanberg, Tacoma, Wash.
A. Steve Kraus of the Lake Street Screening Room in Chicago, who is a scholar of film projection, tells me: “Yes, it is possible to be too bright. Of course you can’t literally burn the screen but the picture could be washed out and uncomfortable to watch. There are many factors in picture brightness, but there is no reason for guessing. A technician with a light meter can read the reflected brightness of the screen with the projector running without film. It should be 16 foot-Lamberts. I would recommend the forum section at www.film-tech.com, where he can get detailed advice about his particular equipment.”
It doesn’t surprise me that the Oceanside would do that. It’s in a long tradition. God I loathed that place. Avoided it like the plague.