It looks like Fitzpatrick and Dynako were right after all. They will be seeking a restraining order on final demolition that will bring this mess before the new board. Dude, do you still think they messed up?
LTS,
So you want to “kick someone’s ass” for posting his view point on the failed restoration of Lombard’s infamous eyesore? Doesn’t sound very arsy to me. My guess is that you are about 5' 5" tall and suffering from a bad case of Napoleon’s (dwarf) Syndrome.
You need to lie back and heal yourself LTS and Ray. Someone always has to lose a battle of this nature and it was your side that was defeated. You really never had a chance to win because your opponent had logic and common sense on their side. They also were much smarter than your side. Blunder after blunder the dumb and dumber theatre supporters have become Lombard’s laughingstock.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you are saying, but why can’t we accomplish the same objective with a completely new theatre in a smaller development. And I was not trying to lead you to believe that the rest of the population would be paying the TIF bonds off.
Although I support the theatre idea, I’m not so certain it will attract condo buyers as much as you think. Many of these smaller theatres are used for musical concerts. And if it becomes difficult to book the theatre, look out for the garage bands. Not so sure people will want to be living above a theatre while the neighborhood kidz are playing Public Enemy or Guns n Roses tunes. Let’s not leave out the rowdyiness outside the theatre, drinking, peeing etc….It’s something to consider.
I just realized you committed another act of Friendspeak when you stated that the TIF would not be paid back by the taxpaying public rather with proceeds from the condo sales. This is completely eroneous. Did you go to the Barb Alvarado school of TIF Training?
The TIF bonds would be repaid from the property tax increment from the taxpayers in the TIF district until 2024. It’s real simple. Resident residing in TIF district pays taxes. Any of the taxes that is above the baseline set goes to pay off the bonds which were received in the first place to pay the developer. So instead of those taxes staying in the general fund THEY PAY BACK THE TIF! If they put up 300 condos without TIF, guess how much of the property taxes generated from the units would go towards the general fund and other taxing bodie….ALL OF IT! C'mon Rita…Give us a break.
You referenced downtown theatres have little or no parking. Downtown also has things like taxis running up and down the streets. They also have a comprehensive bus and train network. We do not have things like that in the suburbs. Sure we have cabs, maybe three. And we have a Pace bus too, with only one route that doesn’t go near the theatre (former theatre) location.
You have just been guilty of committing Friendspeak, which means saying anything to get your way, even if it makes ZERO sense.
Please don’t hand us more of your Friendspeak and tell us the reason so few theatre supporters showed at the MOST IMPORTANT BOARD MEETING SINCE RAPP AND RAPP WERE LAST IN TOWN is because they had personality conflicts with their leadership. That is a crock bub. You could have sat on the other side of the room if you wanted, but you didn’t and the decision to demolish for at least one trustee was based off of attendance…..So blame yourself.
The bottom line is that support for the now deceased RSC plan is down to a handful. The Heneghan boys will end all of this nonsense in about 8 days.
DupageDude,
You keep saying that the Friends withdrew their lawsuit. Once again you are inaccurate. The lawsuit was dismissed by the appellate court. Why can’t the theatrespeak side state the facts? They claim there was a parking solution in place (untrue), They claimed TIF funding was not tax dollars and would not be paid by the taxpaying public (untrue) and now you claim the lawsuit was withdrawn (more untruths).
The only things you say that are true is that the theatre supporters made some critical mistakes in their endeavor to save the theatre. Let me spell them out for you:
1. Failed effort to get a candidate on the ballot to replace theatre foe Sebby.
2. Demonization of the TOSS trustees through the media after the first resolution to demolish that burned all bridges.
3. Abandonment of any fundraising efforts over the last 18 months (yes the money could have been returned if they kept records)
4. Putting two more puppet candidates on the ballot for the upcoming election which offended several of the current board members causing them to expedite their decision
5. Trusting Rich Curto as a someone that genuinely cared about preservation. Curto turned out to be incompetent and very poor at communication.
At the end of the day, anti-theatre residents doubled them in attendance at the recent board meeting. The trustees enacted a “Final Solution” based on all of the above.
Does anyone know if Biddle is going to run for Mayor in 2009? He seems to very knowledgeable and committed to protecting our community. The way he persistantly educated Lombardians on the real facts behind TIF definitely had an impact on the way our trustees voted. Everyone I talk to referenced Bob’s letters when they made their decision on what they wanted the board to do with this proposal. Bob needs to run in 2009.
Your lunatic ramblings remind all of us in Lombard of the Friends of the Dup. Preservationist everywhere must be cringing at the nonsense you and this Dude person write on this website.
In order to be effective, you need to have a platform that makes sense and that people will support. The book has been closed on the DuPage Theater for good reason. It’s over. Mark David Chapan and Lee Harvey Oswald had nothing to do with it. Common sense,good judgement and Dick Tross ended the Dupe’s life and for that we say Amen. If you want to find someone else to share your ridiculous comments with, got to www.dupagetheatre.net . Ther are plenty of crazy people there for you to share Paxcil induced rhetoric with. Just to stay on topic….Your favorite movie must certainly have been One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest…You are nuts!!
TheatreBuff,
I don’t think anyone wants to read your garbage anymore. When you start using comparisons between the Holocaust and theater demolitions you are crossing the line. You are either in need of a psychiatrist or a 12 step program. Whichever it is, go get it and stay away.
And True Class Bruce Watry, Why don’t you do something productive with your life instead of acting as an imposter for a sweet lady?
Some things never change. You were the only no show last night (and that was a good thing for us). It’s a good thing none of us bought in to your idea of suing. But you go ahead and lurk in the shadows posting cracpot messages about pies. Hopefully it will get you banned from this site too.
Dupe Dude,
Should those of us in the neighborhood have rolled over and simply let the developer do whatever he wanted? Isn’t it our right as an American to stand up and be heard? The building was too big. We ou guys.lobbied for years for him to reduce the size to code and provide parking only for it to fall on deaf ears. At the 11th hour he says “oh, I can move the project off the property line”
Don’t blame the residents for the theatre’s fate. Blame the greedy developer who cried poormouth for years, only to be exposed as a liar. We did not choose the developer….That’s one’s on you.
It looks like Fitzpatrick and Dynako were right after all. They will be seeking a restraining order on final demolition that will bring this mess before the new board. Dude, do you still think they messed up?
LTS,
So you want to “kick someone’s ass” for posting his view point on the failed restoration of Lombard’s infamous eyesore? Doesn’t sound very arsy to me. My guess is that you are about 5' 5" tall and suffering from a bad case of Napoleon’s (dwarf) Syndrome.
You need to lie back and heal yourself LTS and Ray. Someone always has to lose a battle of this nature and it was your side that was defeated. You really never had a chance to win because your opponent had logic and common sense on their side. They also were much smarter than your side. Blunder after blunder the dumb and dumber theatre supporters have become Lombard’s laughingstock.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you are saying, but why can’t we accomplish the same objective with a completely new theatre in a smaller development. And I was not trying to lead you to believe that the rest of the population would be paying the TIF bonds off.
Although I support the theatre idea, I’m not so certain it will attract condo buyers as much as you think. Many of these smaller theatres are used for musical concerts. And if it becomes difficult to book the theatre, look out for the garage bands. Not so sure people will want to be living above a theatre while the neighborhood kidz are playing Public Enemy or Guns n Roses tunes. Let’s not leave out the rowdyiness outside the theatre, drinking, peeing etc….It’s something to consider.
Rita,
I just realized you committed another act of Friendspeak when you stated that the TIF would not be paid back by the taxpaying public rather with proceeds from the condo sales. This is completely eroneous. Did you go to the Barb Alvarado school of TIF Training?
The TIF bonds would be repaid from the property tax increment from the taxpayers in the TIF district until 2024. It’s real simple. Resident residing in TIF district pays taxes. Any of the taxes that is above the baseline set goes to pay off the bonds which were received in the first place to pay the developer. So instead of those taxes staying in the general fund THEY PAY BACK THE TIF! If they put up 300 condos without TIF, guess how much of the property taxes generated from the units would go towards the general fund and other taxing bodie….ALL OF IT! C'mon Rita…Give us a break.
Rita,
You referenced downtown theatres have little or no parking. Downtown also has things like taxis running up and down the streets. They also have a comprehensive bus and train network. We do not have things like that in the suburbs. Sure we have cabs, maybe three. And we have a Pace bus too, with only one route that doesn’t go near the theatre (former theatre) location.
You have just been guilty of committing Friendspeak, which means saying anything to get your way, even if it makes ZERO sense.
Please don’t hand us more of your Friendspeak and tell us the reason so few theatre supporters showed at the MOST IMPORTANT BOARD MEETING SINCE RAPP AND RAPP WERE LAST IN TOWN is because they had personality conflicts with their leadership. That is a crock bub. You could have sat on the other side of the room if you wanted, but you didn’t and the decision to demolish for at least one trustee was based off of attendance…..So blame yourself.
The bottom line is that support for the now deceased RSC plan is down to a handful. The Heneghan boys will end all of this nonsense in about 8 days.
DupageDude,
You keep saying that the Friends withdrew their lawsuit. Once again you are inaccurate. The lawsuit was dismissed by the appellate court. Why can’t the theatrespeak side state the facts? They claim there was a parking solution in place (untrue), They claimed TIF funding was not tax dollars and would not be paid by the taxpaying public (untrue) and now you claim the lawsuit was withdrawn (more untruths).
The only things you say that are true is that the theatre supporters made some critical mistakes in their endeavor to save the theatre. Let me spell them out for you:
1. Failed effort to get a candidate on the ballot to replace theatre foe Sebby.
2. Demonization of the TOSS trustees through the media after the first resolution to demolish that burned all bridges.
3. Abandonment of any fundraising efforts over the last 18 months (yes the money could have been returned if they kept records)
4. Putting two more puppet candidates on the ballot for the upcoming election which offended several of the current board members causing them to expedite their decision
5. Trusting Rich Curto as a someone that genuinely cared about preservation. Curto turned out to be incompetent and very poor at communication.
At the end of the day, anti-theatre residents doubled them in attendance at the recent board meeting. The trustees enacted a “Final Solution” based on all of the above.
Does anyone know if Biddle is going to run for Mayor in 2009? He seems to very knowledgeable and committed to protecting our community. The way he persistantly educated Lombardians on the real facts behind TIF definitely had an impact on the way our trustees voted. Everyone I talk to referenced Bob’s letters when they made their decision on what they wanted the board to do with this proposal. Bob needs to run in 2009.
Theaterbuff,
Your lunatic ramblings remind all of us in Lombard of the Friends of the Dup. Preservationist everywhere must be cringing at the nonsense you and this Dude person write on this website.
In order to be effective, you need to have a platform that makes sense and that people will support. The book has been closed on the DuPage Theater for good reason. It’s over. Mark David Chapan and Lee Harvey Oswald had nothing to do with it. Common sense,good judgement and Dick Tross ended the Dupe’s life and for that we say Amen. If you want to find someone else to share your ridiculous comments with, got to www.dupagetheatre.net . Ther are plenty of crazy people there for you to share Paxcil induced rhetoric with. Just to stay on topic….Your favorite movie must certainly have been One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest…You are nuts!!
On the most important evening of the theatre’s life we counted 21 Friends of the DuPage Theatre, not including Mr. Mueller and Mr. Florey.
The anti-RSC crowd had 46 people in attendance (not including the 4 TOSS trustees and Bridgette O'Brien).
That alone should validate the decision. 4 of 6 elected officials against. 46 vs. 21 in public attendance. Slam dunk. Game over.
TheatreBuff,
I don’t think anyone wants to read your garbage anymore. When you start using comparisons between the Holocaust and theater demolitions you are crossing the line. You are either in need of a psychiatrist or a 12 step program. Whichever it is, go get it and stay away.
And True Class Bruce Watry, Why don’t you do something productive with your life instead of acting as an imposter for a sweet lady?
Some things never change. You were the only no show last night (and that was a good thing for us). It’s a good thing none of us bought in to your idea of suing. But you go ahead and lurk in the shadows posting cracpot messages about pies. Hopefully it will get you banned from this site too.
Dupe Dude,
Should those of us in the neighborhood have rolled over and simply let the developer do whatever he wanted? Isn’t it our right as an American to stand up and be heard? The building was too big. We ou guys.lobbied for years for him to reduce the size to code and provide parking only for it to fall on deaf ears. At the 11th hour he says “oh, I can move the project off the property line”
Don’t blame the residents for the theatre’s fate. Blame the greedy developer who cried poormouth for years, only to be exposed as a liar. We did not choose the developer….That’s one’s on you.