RKO Madison Theatre

54-30 Myrtle Avenue,
Ridgewood, NY 11385

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PKoch
PKoch on July 3, 2007 at 9:36 am

Thanks, Bway and Warren.

Bway
Bway on July 3, 2007 at 9:23 am

Jim, even if the if the express track was ripped up, Myrtle-Bway should have been listed as an express stop, as of course it was an express on the Broadway El with the Jamaica line. Marcy Ave, which currently is an express stop, was originally a local stop. It was supposed to be rebuilt into a formal express stop at Williamsburg Bridge Plaza ( and look like Myrtle-Bway, etc), however, it was never done.

Quote PKoch:
“Should I look for you in the film ? Did you get on-camera as an "on-the-spot extra” ?"

Actually, my shadow is in Malcolm X, standing above in the Mezzanine at Wyckoff Ave in that opening scene, a bunch of us were standing up there…. We were told to move when the director saw us standing up there. Apparently, we in our 1990’s clothes may have been caught in their 1930’s scene….. They didn’t reshoot it though, and instead, we are sort of blurred to a shadow up above….

PKoch
PKoch on July 2, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Thanks, Bklyn Jim, for your answer about “X”, and about the Myrtle El express track. You might also want to check out the 1924 BMT subway and el map on nycsubway.org, if you haven’t, already.

BrooklynJim
BrooklynJim on July 2, 2007 at 2:21 pm

My, my – all these RKO Madison movie stars…

In answer to why the depot was used as Boston, my guess is Spike Lee’s low WB budget. Don’t forget that to complete “X,” he had to obtain outright gifts from the likes of Oprah, Cosby & others.

Bway & Peter, I checked an old 1928 Ohman transit map which has both the Broadway-Myrtle and Wyckoff Ave. stations circled as express stops, lending some creedence to a limited third track back then. Central & Knickerbocker Aves. were the only stations on the line so designed like that. (A 1935 copy of the Brooklyn Redbook only lists Essex St. in NYC as the single express station on the Myrtle-Broadway-Chambers St. lines. One would think B'way-Myrtle should’ve gotten an equal boldface entry there, too, even if the express track had been torn up by then.)

My other transit material is in NY, so I’ll be searching out more next month. To be continued…

PKoch
PKoch on July 2, 2007 at 12:03 pm

Yeah, Bway, I’ll bet. It reads like you saw lots more of the filming than I did. Compared to you, I just barely glanced at it.

Should I look for you in the film ? Did you get on-camera as an “on-the-spot extra” ?

I remember the scene where they are standing on the el mezzanine stairway when the brother goes to enlist in the military. I seem to recall the Planter’s Peanut sign, that had been painted on the building, in the background.

I think my favorite line from the play was when the older brother exclaims angrily to the younger :

“How come every time I get into trouble, I have to tell you what a naked girl looks like ?!?!?!”

Bway
Bway on July 2, 2007 at 11:50 am

We probably rubbed shoulders there, as I also watched many many scenes being taped at Seneca Ave in the 80’s. I saw the funeral procession scene filmed, the scene where he eats the pickle, the scene where the mother and sister go to the ice cream parlor, the scene where the sister goes on a date in this guys car (that was pulled by another car, as in real life it apparently didn’t run)….the scene where he lies on the sidewalk after going to the pool hall, and also the scene where they are standing on the el mezzanine stairway when the brother goes to enlist in the military.
Fun stuff, it was good for a few evenings entertainment watching all that.

PKoch
PKoch on July 2, 2007 at 9:12 am

I saw “Brighton Beach Memoirs” being filmed at Seneca and Palmetto in late November 1986.

PKoch
PKoch on July 2, 2007 at 9:10 am

Good for you, Bway !

Bway
Bway on June 30, 2007 at 8:09 pm

I was lucky enough to be right up there on the el watching the taping of Malcolm X there at Myrtle/Wyckoff.

PKoch
PKoch on June 28, 2007 at 11:46 am

BklynJim, thanks in advance for the shot of the trolley under the el between Forest & Fresh Pond Rd.

The Myrtle El DID have an express track between Wyckoff and Myrtle-Bway, hence the two platforms and three trackways at Wyckoff. I think express trains ceased operation in 1946. Bway would have more details. Also “The Old Timer” of The Times Newsweekly, formerly the Ridgewood Times.

The tower did obscure the marquee of the Madison, but not the western wall. I think I’ve seen that el video with the view of the wall of the Madison at the GCT Transit Museum Store, summer 2002 or 2003. As I’ve already posted, the background music was “East side, west side, all around the town …”. It was very poignant watching it with my 7 or 8 year old son, wanting to share it with him, yet knowing that that view into my past couldn’t possibly mean to him what it means to me.

More power to you for the “Malcolm X” DVD. Wonder why they selected “the depot” as Boston for that film.

BrooklynJim
BrooklynJim on June 28, 2007 at 10:23 am

http://www.sundayriverproductions com

(The parentheses may have KO’d the blue highlight to that link.)

BrooklynJim
BrooklynJim on June 28, 2007 at 10:20 am

PKoch, in addition to the other copies, I’ll also have to dig out for you a 1940s shot (8x10) of a trolley under the el between Forest & Fresh Pond Rd.

Bway, am not sure the Myrtle El ever had an express track. None of my books, videos or DVDs allude to one. The tower may have been there for turnaround switching when Wyckoff Avenue was the original end-of-the-line. The Palmetto Avenue section over the trolley line was erected c. 1915. I’ll check further with some of my ancient maps.

The tower did obscure the marquee of the Madison. In a great video released by an outfit in MA (http://www.sundayriverproductions.com) – “New York Elevateds in the 1950s” – photographer Frank Pfuhler, Jr. captured some great Ridgewood scenes between ‘55-'57. The wall of the theater during active days read in bright, unfaded letters:

R.K.O.

MADISON

Theatre

The video is pricey at $39.95, but decent used copies have surfaced on eBay for about ten – twelve bucks. Regardless, a free catalog can be obtained by calling SRP at 1-888-791-5179.

I bought the DVD of Spike Lee’s “Malcolm X” just to have the Myrtle-Wyckoff-Palmetto opening scenes (as Boston) preserved. Wish I’d been in Ridgewood to see that scene filmed…

PKoch
PKoch on June 28, 2007 at 8:25 am

Thanks, Bway, for all the details. I think I was able to read MADISON THEATRE from the western wall of the RKO Madison Theater in summer 1976 from the outdoor observation deck of the World Trade Center, using one of the 25 power pay binoculars, available there. Another guy up there was reading telephone numbers off billboards in Flatbush using his Questar telescope.

Please excuse the repetition if I’ve already posted about this.

Bway
Bway on June 27, 2007 at 5:28 pm

The sign on the side of the Madison’s building said “Madison Theatre”. It’s a bit hard to read now, as not only is it faded, but as it faded, it mixed with earlier painted versions of “Madison Theatre”, and they sort of began to blend together as one.

As for the El. The original Myrtle El terminated at Myrtle and Wyckoff. There was a seperate steam railroad that ran on the surface in the route of the current el to Metropolitan Ave, and yes, it was called the Lutheran steam line. At some point in the early 1900’s, they connected this steam railroad to the old Myrtle EL. El trains came down from the el and down to the surface, and ran over the former steam railroad on the ground to Metropolitan Ave. In 1914, the Myrtle El north of Broadway was completely rebuilt to handle heavier subway cars, and they extended the el over the old surface tracks, the el we know today.

Panzer65
Panzer65 on June 27, 2007 at 3:19 pm

PKoch,
As a young man, I was always fascinated by trolleys, so my father, (greatest man in my life), took me to the trolley museum in Connecticut to look and feel the experience of something I missed out on. Just like Madison, I want to walk in and feel what I missed!
As for that stretch of right of way through Ridgewood, again my father showed me those exposed tracks one sunny day, to help me appreciate the past, he did even one better, a friend of his was a contractor who did construction on streets. He had this man cut a section of trolley track and paint it silver, which i use as a book shelf end piece. My father was a great man, i’m sure yours was too!

PKoch
PKoch on June 27, 2007 at 3:12 pm

I submitted comments to Christina Wilkinson on her Ridgewood article that you just posted a link to, in early August 2005. I don’t know if she’s responded to them yet. I haven’t checked.

Panzer65
Panzer65 on June 27, 2007 at 3:10 pm

Your welcome PKoch
My report on Madison’s interior will be shortly!

PKoch
PKoch on June 27, 2007 at 3:07 pm

Thanks, Panzer65. Bway’s got lots of details from his recent exploration of the building.

Panzer65
Panzer65 on June 27, 2007 at 3:05 pm

Now that I see the picture, perhaps when I drove down Madison St. to see the back, I looked up to the left or behind the right side,on Myrtle ave., thats where that bricked up door is.

PKoch
PKoch on June 27, 2007 at 3:03 pm

Panzer65, your link doesn’t look like it’s active. Try putting it on a line of its own.

Panzer65
Panzer65 on June 27, 2007 at 3:00 pm

Hello friends,http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb60/panzer65/madisontheater.jpg heres of RKO Madison’s few remnants, a faded but vintage sign on the right side wall.

PKoch
PKoch on June 27, 2007 at 2:57 pm

You’re welcome, Panzer65, and thank you. Yes, that segment was known as the Lutheran Line, or extension, after Lutheran Cemetery.

I know all about that trolley beneath the el. My father and I grew up with it. I am from Ridgewood, and it is in my DNA ! My father saw that trolley running. I did not, but have seen the tracks, and the right-of-way, thousands of times.