Rivoli Theatre

1620 Broadway,
New York, NY 10019

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PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on May 25, 2005 at 10:31 pm

Vito – Thanks for the clarification, that makes it clearer. Otherwise, I’d be asking where I could get 70mm parts for my Century’s for the Lafayette!

chconnol
chconnol on May 25, 2005 at 9:28 pm

I know some of you projectionists explained this once but I still don’t “get” how digital projection works. How is the image “shown”? There’s no film, right? I’m sorry but could someone either explain (simply…) or tell me about a website that could?

Also, about two years ago I read about another even more radical film medium wherein the movie would actually be “beamed” via satellite to theaters. If a movie proved to be a big enough draw (HA! Like with todays crap…) another theater in a multiplex could be instantly turned over to that film. The issue was how to prevent hackers from getting a hold of the signal and transmitting it to another area (theater, PC, etc.) Anyone aware of this?

Gerald A. DeLuca
Gerald A. DeLuca on May 25, 2005 at 9:01 pm

I saw “Days of Heaven” at Cinema I in 70mm and was immediately overwhelmed by the imagery and eerie nostalgia of this stupefying masterpiece. What a truly beautiful film! Nestor Almendros' photography is a feast for the eye. And that musical score by Ennio Morricone based on a motif from Camille Saint-Saëns' “Carnival of the Animals: The Aquarium” was pure inspiration and utterly haunting. I kept going back to see it in Providence, where I am from, at the Cinerama I & II where it was also shown in 70mm. I read at the time that Bernardo Bertolucci had been extremely impressed by the movie. Although I like both “Badlands” and “The Thin Red Line” a great deal, I don’t believe Malick has surpassed this one.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on May 25, 2005 at 9:00 pm

Vito, I imagine the projectionists at the Ziegfeld WORRY! It is new technology, and during the pre-opening screenings of “Star Wars” a representative of Texas Instruments which had their prototype projector in before the opening, and a Dolby representative were also on hand for each screening. (If there were one more tech they might have been able to have a card game going!) As you know — you’re only as good as your last show and “stuff” happens. It always amazes me that for a premiere at the Zieg or the Music Hall, everyone would have a tech representative on hand, but when the picture opens and the audience had to pay, there would often be no tech assistance available. With the elimination of projectionists there are fewer and fewer people around exhibition who continue to care about the presentation (see “Uptown Theatre Washington D.C. on this site for the latest example). There was always the tension of being in the "Showplace of the Nation” at Radio City, and even though digital presentation may be boring, I’ll bet the guys at the Zieg are feeling a bit of tension these days too. Things can go from boredom to chaos in an instant.

William
William on May 25, 2005 at 8:53 pm

The Sound One screening room (Todd-AO sound) on 54th Street, can also run 70MM too.

ErikH
ErikH on May 25, 2005 at 8:48 pm

Another NYC theater that has 70MM capability is the Paris. A 70MM print of “Howard’s End” was shown at the Paris for nearly a year in the early 1990s. Kenneth Branagh’s film of “Hamlet” was also presented in 70MM at the Paris.

Vito
Vito on May 25, 2005 at 8:44 pm

By thr way REandres, I trained in digital projection before I retired and I am sure glad I never had to work any shifts with digital projection. There is so litle to do. I thought it got boring with platters, but gosh all you do with digital is log on to a computer choose a platter (film) and hit the start button. My goodness what in the world do those projectionists at the Ziegfeld do all day? That has to be a boring job. I only wish I had a chance to work RCMH during the glory days.

Vito
Vito on May 25, 2005 at 8:34 pm

Thanks REandres for that info. I forgot about the water cooled gates
Peter, you misunderstood, I never wrote all projectors are compatable. I am refering to 35/70 projectors, which is what all 70mm theatres have. There is nothing to do but convert the idle rollers, change the aperture plate and lens and your done. As for platters, most of them have feed plates (brains) that simply change out for either 35 or 70 and duel purpose guide rollers so again, little has to be done. As for the masking, we usually have three presetts, Flat, Scope and 70 for both the side and top masking settings. I have had several sneak preview showings of a 70mm print
playing with a 35mm feature and two of us did the conversion during
intermission, (about 20 minutes). In the case of DTS readers, nothing has to be done with them because they are always there, usually mounted above the mag penthouse, and simply bypassed when not in use. I suppose if you wanted to play a 70mm DTS print followed by a 35mm DTS print you would have much more work but that would be unusual.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on May 25, 2005 at 7:43 pm

I agree with Pete: “Days of Heaven” was a 70mm knockout at the Cinema I. It opened in the fall of 1978 during a newspaper strike, so someone (either Paramount or Cinema 5 Theaters) reprinted all the New York critics' reviews in a special booklet which was given out at the theater. I still have it somewhere …

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on May 25, 2005 at 7:25 pm

Days of Heaven was astounding in 70mm, CConnolly. Even more amazing in that it was a blow-up from 35mm.

chconnol
chconnol on May 25, 2005 at 7:23 pm

Ooooooooo, “Days of Heaven”. In 70mm! Now THAT is something I’d gladly pay to see! That has got to be one of the MOST beautifully filmed movies of all time. Right up there with Kubrick’s “Barry Lyndon”.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on May 25, 2005 at 7:20 pm

Vito, Peter’s right. Simplex advertised their 35/70 mm machine as being able to be changed in a matter of minutes, and I always joked, “Yes — about 60 minutes per projector!” In the Hall’s case the change was made more difficult by the water cooling tubes to the film traps, but we still usually changed the machines over after the show. They also had to be retilted for the different formats, which meant having a stage crew on to bring the picture sheet in and set the masking limits. (The screen masking at the Hall can be changed from the booth by the old Magnascope system, but it only allows two presets.) The only time we changed over during a day was when we did the Warner Bros. Film Festival a few years ago. We had to change over to do “The Exorcist” after a previous 35mm film that afternoon, and then change back to 35mm after “My Fair Lady” was shown the next afternoon. On another note: the Ziegfeld can still run 70mm with its Century JJ, and can do either mag or DTS 70mm sound. Other venues in the city which can do 70mm include the Walter Reade at Lincoln Center (which did Tati’s “Playtime” in 70mm a few weeks ago), the Museum of Modern Art, and the Museum of the Moving Image in Queens. The Dolby Screening Rooms in all of their locations can also do 70mm. MGM has removed their 70mm projectors from their screening room as has Fox. I was in the Ziegfeld two weeks ago for a tech check of the Digital “Star Wars”, and must say, while digital is still in its relative infancy, it was looking very much as I remember the first 70mm “Star Wars” looking at the Astor Plaza, so perhaps Malick’s new picture will be released that way. I ran his “Days of Heaven” in 70mm in the MGM Screening Room and was blown away by it, so it will be interesting to see how he chooses to release “The New World”.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on May 25, 2005 at 6:42 pm

I’m sorry Vito, but not all models of 35mm projectors and platter systems are convertible to 70mm, not even close. You also need magnetic sound heads (if the film has mag sound) or, for these new 70mm prints, a dedicated 70mm DTS sound reader. Not to mention different lenses, aperture plates, sprockets, intermittent, pad rollers, guide rollers, platter brains, platter rollers, splicers, etc.

Unless the theatre is always set up to do 35/70 projection, it’s much more involved than just something that can be done during intermission.

dennisczimmerman
dennisczimmerman on May 25, 2005 at 6:32 pm

It is nice to know that theatres are still capable of 70mm projection with the equipment in the booth. However, what theatre still has – other than the Ziegfeld, which I have never been in, have the screen size to utilize the 70mm presentation? 35MM or 70MM to me makes no difference if the screen in the theatre is the size of a TV screen in relation to the size of the theatre compared to your living room.I would imagine you could count on your two hands – and maybe a few toes – the number of theatres remaining that would have the size screen to utilize 70mm. (Not counting Imax Theatres.)

Vito
Vito on May 25, 2005 at 6:04 pm

Perhaps REndres can tell us more.Radio City Music Hall has three 35/70mm projectors and two 35mm projectors. I imgine the 35/70 projectors are used for both 35 and 70. I would be interested in how he handles the changeover.

Vito
Vito on May 25, 2005 at 6:00 pm

Some of the threads regarding 70mm have me wondering if everyone understands that all theatres have projectors and film transport systems (platers) that are 35/70mm compatable. At one time the Rivoli and one or two others had Todd-AO projectors which were designed for 70mm, however now in any theatre you go to, the booth has projector(s) that can run either 35mm or 70mm. We do not have straight 70mm projectors sitting in the booth collecting dust. It is a simple conversion from 35mm to 70mm that takes only a few minutes to perform and can easly be done even during intermission, there may be some minor Xenon bulb re-alignment as well. The film transport systems (platters) are also 35/70 compatable and can be converted just as easily. The sound format is chosen by the simple push of a
button and you are good to go.

bufffilmbuff
bufffilmbuff on May 25, 2005 at 12:40 pm

Per Malick’s THE NEW WORLD… I read an interview with the cinematographer and he said only portions of the film were shot on 65mm…. that they could not afford to shoot it all in large format. I do hope we will get some 70mm prints in any case, though venues that can handle 70mm are disappearing quickly. Maybe the Uptown in DC, which has one of the last of the giant curved Cinerama screens, will show a 70mm print of THE NEW WORLD… but the latest from that theatre is that they are no longer using union projectionists during the week, only on weekends, and that this has resulted in damage to equipment and prints. So—– that would only leave the American Film
Institute’s Silver theatre as a possible 70mm venue in that area. Too bad Malick’s film will probably not get the presentation it deserves.

Vito
Vito on May 25, 2005 at 12:33 pm

Correction: It was not “Aliens of the Deep” but “Robots” that had the 35mm backup prints

Vito
Vito on May 25, 2005 at 12:00 pm

Yes Peter, you are correct, not only is the digital projector usually installed along side the film projector, often a 35mm print will be delivered to the theatre as a back up should the digital fail.In some of the new IMAX installations, a 35mm projector is maintained as well to alternate between 70mm IMAX and regular 35mm engagements. I know when “Aliens of the Deep” played in some of the IMAX theatres, a 35mm print was ready to go if needed. I would expect the same for the new “Batman” film opening in June. This of course does not apply to the IMAX filmed features designed exclusily for IMAX.
Bill, the 70mm theatres in New Jersey, for the most part, have maintained the 35/70mm projectors although we haven’t used them
in quite a while.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on May 24, 2005 at 10:53 pm

No, Bill. Both can share the same space as long as the booth is big enough. They have to keep the film projectors on hand, since the digital shows do have a high number of failures.

If I recall, the Sony Lincoln Square also as 70mm capability in the main auditorium.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on May 24, 2005 at 10:05 pm

Although since they recently re-installed digital projection at the Ziegfeld, does that mean the film projectors can no longer be used? (Sorry about all this Ziegfeld stuff on the Rivoli Theater page.)

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on May 24, 2005 at 9:48 pm

Pete: I’m guessing “The New World” will be at the Ziegfeld in 70mm. I can’t think of any 70mm theaters left in New Jersey, and there used to be so many back in the good old days.

Mikeoaklandpark
Mikeoaklandpark on May 24, 2005 at 9:36 pm

I can forget about it here in Asheville, NC

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on May 24, 2005 at 9:31 pm

No.

One of the reasons a lot more films are being presented in scope is that they are shooting them in Super35, which allows a scope theatrical print and a nearly full-frame (without panning and scanning) video image to be extracted.

There is one upcoming film shot in 65mm (for 70mm presentation), Terence Malick’s The New World. I’ll be very curious to see who is able to show it in 70mm in the NY metro area.

Mikeoaklandpark
Mikeoaklandpark on May 24, 2005 at 9:08 pm

Has anybody else noticed that since the summer 99% of the films coming out have been in cinemascope. Does this mean m,aybe they are about to start up 70mm or even Cinerama or Todd-Ao again?