AMC Rockaway 16

363 Mount Hope Avenue,
Rockaway, NJ 07866

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alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 25, 2010 at 5:07 pm

sidenote i passed by palisades today and was what the hell, interestingly Alice used the full screen there even though Avatar did not (talking width here of course none of these are tall enough to fill bottom to top), Avatar lost a good 8' of screen width.

I wonder if they projected Avatar smaller because they knew it would have a crazy long run and they wanted the print to hold up while OTOH they knew Alice was locked into a short run due to Dragon so they projected full size??

Full size projection there does look very, very noticeably bigger than the mall liemax, really impressive. I knew they shoulda put in 70-75' screen to start. (although i have to say ALice at the end of the film run at palisades did look duller and with less contrast than at the amll digital imax for sure, i think it is also harder to sync the double reels exactly since i could swear this time there was more doubling showing through on fast action, maybe a frame off?)
(the fake 2D->3D of Alice also revealed itself even more on the giant film projection, again it is still but Cameron is so right you gotta film stuff to be shown in 3D IN 3D! kinda seems obvious. i mean they do do better than you would ever expect but all the same it is so easy to tell that things are just not quite right most of the time)

alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 25, 2010 at 5:01 pm

oh yeah for avatar i knew it was 3D that was the big pull, heck I don’t even personally know anyone who saw it in 2D hah

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 25, 2010 at 2:54 pm

Most of the money that Avatar made came from 3D and Imax 3D showings, with a little for the 2d version.

JJD
JJD on March 25, 2010 at 8:35 am

Oops! I meant over $100 million, not thousand. And to clarify, I was speaking only domestically, not worldwide. Thanks for catching that. It does make a slight difference. Also, from what I read, the 3D showings outperformed the 2D showings in terms of revenue.

alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 24, 2010 at 10:53 pm

If by 100k you really do mean $100,000, what is that? That’s barely a blip on ticket sales for a bomb, so if that is all the first few pulled in and some were concerts and specials i’m sure those ones really count as mainstream 3D yet, most of the money for those titles must’ve come through 2D.

anyway whatever the case 3D is certainly totally mainstream now and on a real roll

JJD
JJD on March 24, 2010 at 9:17 pm

Ski, I cheated a little by including 2010 as the 5th full year. Here’s the rundown for the digital 3D period to-date: Chicken Little (Nov. 2005, $135k), Monster House, Nightmare Before Christmas, Meet the Robinsons, Beowulf, U23D, Hanna Montana Concert, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Fly Me to the Moon, Bolt, My Bloody Valentine 3D, Coraline, Jonas Bros. Concert, Monsters Vs. Aliens, Battle for Terra, Up, Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs, G-Force, X Games 3D, Final Destination, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, Toy Story/Toy Story 2, A Christmas Carol, Dave Mathews’ Larger Than Life Concert, AVATAR, Alice in Wonderland, How to Train Your Dragon. (27 titles to-date, 24 of them before AVATAR and 12 of them making over $100k). You probably have heard of most of these titles (if not all) but the lack of public awareness that they were in 3D may have been due to the lack of 3D screens (only 2 screens in NJ for Chicken Little). So they only played in 2D in many markets. In spite of that, the overwhelming majority of them still made big bucks due to the 3D surcharge. No doubt AVATAR helped tremendously to advance 3D but 3D definitely had a lucrative life before it.

And for the remainder of 2010: Clash of the Titans, Piranha 3D, Kenny Chesney’ Summer in 3D, Shrek Forever After, Toy Story 3, Despicable Me, Cats & Dogs: Revenge of Kitty Galore, Step Up 3D, Friday the 13th – Part 2, Resident Evil: Afterlife, Legend of the Guardians, Alpha and Omega, Jackass 3D, Saw VII, Megamind, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Pt. 1, Tangled (Rapunzel), Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Trader, Tron Legacy, Yogi, Gulliver’s Travels. (21 titles)

I count 20 more with firm release dates through 2012. There were approximately 50 titles during the 2-year period in the 50s (shot in 3D but not always shown in 3D since the “novelty” had worn off by late 1954), about 10 in the 60s and 70s combined (excluding the adult stuff), about 17 in the 80s, and 1 in the 90s (Nightmare on Elm Street: the Final Nightmare). I don’t include Spy Kids 3D: Game Over (2003) or Adventures of Sharkboy and Lava Girl (2005) since they were anaglyphic (red/blue) or the IMAX titles (Polar Express, Ant Bully, Open Season, etc.) since they were not digital. Whew!

alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 24, 2010 at 7:52 pm

Interesting, I had thought that the 50’s 3D stuff had been big for 6-8 years, if not extending well into the 60’s continuously, judging from how people had talked! I guess I was wrong about that.

I guess I don’t think of the current trend as being 5 full years, since for the most part I never really heard much talk about it from anyone until shortly before Avatar. Pretty much nobody I knew had even seen a hollywood 3D movie this go around until last fall (and even historically speaking, almost none had seen any of the 80’s 3D releases either), so I was counting the current trend as only like 8-12 months long so far since it really didn’t seem mainstream to me until this fall, just the odd release at certain theaters in certain regions and almost soley pure computer rendered cartoons, which seems to me like a much less mainstream start than what it had been back (or at least I had imagine it had been and perhaps i’m wrong) in the 50’s.

JJD
JJD on March 24, 2010 at 6:37 pm

Welcome aboard, ski…I always appreciate a convert (ha). And you show them, Justin, that people who wear glasses can adapt for the length of a movie.

I guess I’m the “oldster” in this group. My first 3D movie was 1953 (BWANA DEVIL). I was 8 years old (now 65). 50s 3D lasted approximately 2 years (1953-1954) with only one or two more in 1955 (REVENGE OF THE CREATURE). There were a couple in the 60s and 70s (ANDY WARHOL’S FRANKENSTEIN)(excluding the adult stuff). The 80s only lasted about 3 years (1982-1984) with STARCHASER in 1985. We are now in our 5th full year of digital 3D, so digital rules!

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 24, 2010 at 6:10 pm

When this theater opened, there were quite a few theaters that had 3d. Flash forward nearly 4 years later, nearly all of the theaters in NJ have 3D.

alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 24, 2010 at 5:56 pm

yeah, i don’t see what the big deal about the glasses are, heck those giant D&G sunglasses all the girls wear are like twice as big anyway haha

and skiing googles are a beast of whole nother level and nobody complains about those

i’m definitely on board with the current 3D trend (can’t comment on 50’s stuff, way, way, way before I was even born haha) and again this coming from someone had been pretty dubious about the whole thing coming in

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 24, 2010 at 5:45 pm

I wear glasses, JJD. I wear my 3D glasses over my eyeglasses so that I have perfect vision.

JJD
JJD on March 24, 2010 at 5:38 pm

Just my opinion: There were many good 3D films in the 50s (HOUSE OF WAX, CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE, DIAL M FOR MURDER [HITCHCOCK], KISS ME KATE, HONDO, MISS SADIE THOMPSON, to name a few.) But, like 2D movies, there were a lot of bad ones too in terms of script, acting, dialog, etc. The problems leading to its demise was mainly poor projection (causing headaches), exploitation (hurl stuff in your face) and expense (dual-strip, e.g., twice the prints). You’re right about JAWS 3D. That and FRIDAY THE 13TH-3D did well, but the problem with 80s 3D was the switch to a a single-strip system (avoids the out-of-sync problem). A “beam splitter” provided the left and right images. The picture was neither as bright nor as sharp as dual-strip. It was lousy (so were most of the films). COMIN' AT YA! was downright unbearable to watch. Today’s digital 3D is far superior to anything that precedes it AND it’s being used much more wisely, as evidenced by the support it’s getting from the industry and the viewers. Even the glasses are more comfortable (BTW, red/blue was NOT used in the 50s, a common misconception…those films were polarized). I wish people would stop complaining about having to wear “dopey” glasses to see a 3D movie. We wear prescription glasses, sun glasses, swimming goggles, skiing goggles, etc. Get over it already!

alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 24, 2010 at 5:37 pm

I still think that it is very important to sit close for 3D films, few other than maybe Lincoln Square have a screen large enough otherwise. For 3D you really want it enveloping you and making it feel like you are there, which means pretty close at the mall IMAX (although definitely NOT on the lower part below the stadium seating!) even though it is a pretty decent, if not breathtakingly large screen.

alpinedownhiller
alpinedownhiller on March 24, 2010 at 5:35 pm

saying that Jaws 3D was the highest grossing summer 3D film is like saying an Apple computer is the highest selling brand in an Apple store! In the 80’s 3D was a failure, most people never even saw a single 3D movie and the one that did the best was only 15th best for the year! The 1950’s trend obviously lasted longer than the current one (but I think, only because the current trend really only just started in any serious way, can’t make a comparison at this point).

Anyway I was one of those who hadn’t been that big on 3D and kind of thought it would be a waste, but after Avatar and Alice, I’ve definitely changed my mind.

(BTW Cameron absolutely was right that to really make 3D look real you have to use 3D cameras. I don’t know who all those fools were trashing him for saying that and claiming 2D conversion won’t be distinguishable and that with carefully converted films nobody will ever be able to tell! Alice was converted carefully and it was clear that is was a conversion (as to be expected barring actual magic). That said they did pull it off a lot better than I imagined and it certainly was cool. But very definitely you could tell easily that it was a conversion so I do hope they only use 3D cameras in the future. And I think the cheap quick 4-8 week conversions will look really flimsy.)

Anyway all that said the 3D, even if added on (carefully) afterwards, still did enhance Alice and the movie itself was way better than I had expected, nothing at all like the unwatchable Chocolate Factory which I couldn’t stomach for more than 10 minutes, Tim Burton is definitely back, very, very nice and well done movie. He’s had has abominations like Chocolate Factory and Apes, but this surely is not one of them.

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 24, 2010 at 4:06 pm

I agree. Back in the 1950’s, there were widescreen 3d movies shown in mono and stereo and didn’t make as much money as the big guns. In the 80’s, 3D was a success because Jaws 3D did well for a 3D version of a dying franchise and was the highest grossing 3D summer film. It was also the widest release for an old-school 3D film back when it opened in 1983. The film also was in 3D on the short-lived VHD format in Japan and also on cable in Asia. No wonder why the VHS and HD versions of Jaws 3D look horrible, even though Jaws 3D was the first Jaws movie to be recorded in Dolby Stereo (35mm). Imax 3D was probably the first true 70mm 3D experience that changed movies.

JJD
JJD on March 24, 2010 at 3:59 pm

Last week I asked the ticket taker when they will be getting more digital projectors. He thought I meant IMAX and said not anytime soon because of the expense. I then asked about RealD and he said that they will be adding a couple more of those but didn’t say when. As of this Friday, there will be three 3D movies playing: AVATAR (reduced to 2D), ALICE, AND DRAGON…and it’s going to get tighter throughout the year. I think we’ll see a significant growth rate in 3D screens this year cause “that’s where the money is”. This current “unnecessary, goofy glasses, gimmicky, headache-inducing, short-lived trend” (BLAH, BLAH, BLAH) has now outlasted both the 1950s and 1980s 3D waves and shows no signs of stopping!!!

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 24, 2010 at 3:03 pm

No advance showtimes are available for Wednesday and beyond. Maybe something to do with the digital projection installations?

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 23, 2010 at 10:08 pm

Alice in Wonderland has a midnight IMAX showing on friday. I think when Clash of the Titans opens up on friday, then Alice will be playing in 2D, leaving Dragon and Clash to be in 3D and Clash will be in 2D as well. Iron Man 2 will play in IMAX 2D in May, then Shrek 4 will be out in 3D, 2D, and Imax, then Inception in IMAX, then Twilight Eclipse in IMAX, then Toy Story 3D in all formats, the list goes on!!! As more and more movies get 3D'ed or Imaxed, then it will be time for AMC to upgrade other screens with digital projectors alongside the two and the IMAX digital. What’s the latest, Slimshady?

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 23, 2010 at 8:05 pm

as expected, avatar will be now in 2d coming this friday, leaving alice in wonderland and how to train your dragon in both digital 3d and with alice leaving theaters on friday, the liemax version of how to train your dragon will be playing as well as the 35mm version of hot tub time machine, which looks kinda stupid but might do good business for MGM, which is paying off debt as it struggles to find a buyer for the ailing lion.

JJD
JJD on March 21, 2010 at 8:54 pm

Was curious as to who contributed the most to this site.

No. 5 – John J. Fink (19 posts)
No. 4 – movie534 (20)
No. 3 – SlimShady (41)
No. 2 – JJD (87)
No. 1 – guess who! (over 500)

You’re still the champ!

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on March 20, 2010 at 8:30 pm

I know….i must work harder to upgrade my nearly 6 year old hdtv with a 3d-ready one in 10 years when prices come down. It won’t be soon before 3D becomes common everywhere.

JJD
JJD on March 20, 2010 at 6:49 pm

Checked out the new 3D TVs at Best Buy and was blown away!!! Panasonic displayed its plasma set with a clip of ASTRO BOY. (Oddly enough, the theatrical version of ASTRO BOY was shown in 2D which probably hurt its bottom line.) Samsung displayed it’s LED/LCD set with a clip from MONSTERS VS. ALIENS. Both sets had two pairs of shutter system glasses available for anyone who cared to indulge. The glasses were very comfortable and there was NO flicker. But the real surprise was the razor sharp quality of both pictures (beating REALD and IMAX). It was better than I expected. The clerk said that’s what everyone was saying. Initially, about $3,000 (plus tax) gets you the TV, Blu-ray player and glasses but package deals are coming. Best Buy needs to plaster their windows with signs inviting customers to check out these sets. Also, Cablevision (yes, Cablevision!) will have the honor of delivering the first high definition 3D broadcast in the USA this Wednesday (Islanders vs. Rangers NHL game). Theatres beware! While nothing can beat sitting in front of a large theatre screen, these sets will definitely provide a serious alternative. Check them out!