Radio City Music Hall

1260 6th Avenue,
New York, NY 10020

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MarkA
MarkA on January 18, 2006 at 2:26 am

Luis,

I never saw the Roxy, either, but I remember Penn Station as a kid. I get more than a knot in the stomach when I travel to NYC and have to use that poor excuse for a train station … the present Penn Station. Yuck!

The thanks for saving the Hall most properly goes to folks from the Showpeoples' Committee and people like Denpiano. His employer (and he) probably know more about the Hall than space here on this forum would permit. If it weren’t like Denpiano and his colleagues, the Mighty WurliTzer would probably have been sold years ago or worse, hauled off to a landfill. I well remember when I visited there in January 1978 admidst the uproar of the closing of Radio City, a collector from the West Coast had already made inquiries about buying the instrument.

frankdev
frankdev on January 12, 2006 at 7:20 pm

I loved Uncle Floyd, Who can ever foget loony skip rooney, and thanks for the wht info i forgot most of it

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on January 12, 2006 at 6:33 pm

Astrocks… I was not one of those people dancing in a circle, I can assure you. I was never one of the twirlers, as they were known. I do a fair amount of boogie-ing at a good concert, but I mostly confine it to the space I occupy standing in front of my seat. I was not there for the show where the dude leapt or fell from the mezzanine, but I remember folks buzzing about it on the street and in the lobby when I got there for MY first show of that run.

As for WHT, if you didn’t have the Wometco converter, you could still tune into channel 68 – since it was a regular UHF station – but you would see a scrambled picture and the audio was some laid back guy who basically played music and would talk about how great a WHT subscription would be between tunes. I remember I would tune in just to check this guy out. He played decent music and would talk about the movies playing that month on the service – all in a very warm and charming manner. He probably had an audience that numbered in the dozens at best, but he did his thing as if he really wanted to entertain the people who happened upon the channel. I also remember that the station broadcast regular unscrambled TV during the day and would scramble only at night – around 7 or 8pm. It was an independent channel out of Newak – or somewhere in north Jersey. One of the regular programs was the comedy show of “Uncle Floyd” Vivino. When subscriptions starting reaching further east on Long Island, I remember they had to begin a duplicate broadcast on another UHF channel – 72 perhaps?

Ah well… I digress. I have a habit of doing that. I now return you to your regular programming.

frankdev
frankdev on January 12, 2006 at 4:26 pm

I also had wht it was the only way i could get more than a handful of hockey games, that they would show on free t.v. How many of the organ fans remember Jack Ward

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 12, 2006 at 3:55 pm

EdSolero WHT huh? If I am not mistaken WHT was Wometco Home Theatre.A friend of mine use to have it and had an antenna on the roof with the converter box.

Disney and RCMH? Wow thats a new one on me.

frankdev
frankdev on January 12, 2006 at 3:22 pm

HI EDsolero. At that time Disney under Bob Jane was running the hall, so i was moved from the costume dept where i was the office assistant, to the page program, i became the lead trainer, for the first class of what was being called pages.One very funny moment was when a group of Managers for the hall were standing in the lobby when a large number of deadheads ( were you one) had them in the middle of a circle and they were dancing around them. We were on the first mezz looking down laughing because the managers looked like they were under attack, we though we were have to call the paramedics to give them CPR. Also I think it was the first night a deadhead jumped off the first mezz into the orchestra to show his devotion to Jerry and the Dead.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on January 12, 2006 at 11:14 am

Astrocks… then you must remember me! I was one of the great many hordes of dirty, hairy Dead Heads that descended upon the Hall for a series of 10 concerts the Grateful Dead played there in October of 1980! I’m joking, naturally. But I was there for 5 of those shows, although I was neither dirty nor hairy – nor did I travel in a horde. As this run (along with a matching set of shows at San Francisco’s Warfield Theater) was an unofficial celebration of the band’s 15 year anniversary, the final show on Halloween was simulcast, I believe, for closed circuit broadcast to other theaters. Either that or it was broadcast live on cable TV. Not too long after the concert, I remember a replay on the old Wometco Home Theater pay-service – remember WHT? You needed a special UHF antenna with a decoder box and tuned into channel 68 in NY to receive the transmission (this was mostly for the outer boroughs, which did not have cable TV like Manhattan did).

Anyway… I recall that many in the crowd were disrespectful of the old gal, but I always thought of her as a Queen and was sure to leave nothing but the proverbial tracks when I left the theater. I was just thrilled that the theater I cherished from childhood had been saved from demolition and that – just a cherry on top of this delicious cake – my favorite band was going to settle in under those magnificent proscenium arches for a nice long run of shows. What was your job there, astrocks?

frankdev
frankdev on January 12, 2006 at 9:40 am

As a man who wored 10 years at the Hall from 11/70 until 3/81, and being a member of the show people commitee to save the Hall, I want to thank you all for showing much love to a place that if you look at my heart you will find the Music Hall logo on it. Thank You all very much. Because of you all the Hall Lives!!

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on January 12, 2006 at 8:06 am

Hey Organized, please accept my heartfelt thanks for standing up way back when to save Radio City. I never got to see the Roxy or the old Penn Station and I always get a knot in my stomach that we lost 2 of the most incredible structures ever built before I had a chance to at least see them. I try to console myself with the knowledge that the loss of Penn Station in particular, enabled us to save Grand Central and Radio City, but it still hurts! Thanks again, Luis

MarkA
MarkA on January 12, 2006 at 4:07 am

Thank you, Patsy, for your nice comments. I’ve been an organist for nearly 4 decades. I visited the Fabulous Fox in 1991 on a tour, but never got to hear the Mighty Mo (Moller). I would love to hear Larry Embury at the console. The Fox organ, I understand, is in better condition than when M.P. Moller installed it. Sadly, the company who built it went out of business in 1992. Moller built over 11,000 pipe organ in their 117 year history.

Luis, I helped circulate petitions to save the Hall in 1978. I was there the Monday after the annoucement was made in January 1978 that the RCMH was going to close and be torn down. A sad day, indeed. It was through the hard work of the Rockettes and others (The Show Peoples' Committee to Save the Music Hall) that saved this magnificent place.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on January 11, 2006 at 5:44 pm

I only had the oportunity to see 2 movies at Radio City in my youth. One was Disney’s “Follow me Boys” in the 70’s which was paired with what I believe was a 30 minute stage show with the Rockettes. The second was a special engagement of Fantasia in the late 70’s. I remember being so taken with this theater that when I heard they were considering tearing it down, I made a commitment to myself to lay before the bulldozers. Luckily, it never came to that, but I was unaware of how many other glorious theaters were lost because no one stood up. The sad reality is that there were so many wondrous theaters in the past that there is no economical way they could have been preserved into today’s world. The truly sad thing is that so few are still left. This web site has made that painfully clear. Thanks Cinema Treasures for doing such a great public service.

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on January 11, 2006 at 4:55 pm

Here’s a Program from May, 1956:

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Who would ever believe that two fourteen-year-old boys would sneak off to RCMH to see a fairy-tale story of the real-life just-married Grace Kelly doomed to a royal marriage when Louis Jourdan seemed a prole option? Jordan was in training for “Gigi.” Alec Guinness was coming down from his sublime “Ladykillers” (twenty years later I had to explain to my kids why I really wanted to see “Star Wars” for the umpteenth time). And nobody today could imagine what a hold Princess Grace had on our celebrity fantasies. That’s why my friend and I subwayed in to W 50 Street to see “The Swan.”

The stage show was arguably as good as or better than the movie (though the movie I thought was very good). The “Minstrel Show” theme carried through from the drum-beat ballet led by the acrobatic John Charivel to the latter’s appearance with his own acrobatic troupe, Les Charivels, and a solo juggling act by the Great Alcetty, to a spectacular river-boat finale with the Rockettes. A classic RCMH show, whose movie was timed to meet the headlines and whose stage show was wonderfully buoyant.

rollinglenn
rollinglenn on January 11, 2006 at 12:33 pm

Since disability has meant the use of a wheelchair 24/7, my best memory of that Mighty Wurlitzer is as close as my phonograph with one of the discs from my 2-LP disc recording of RCMH Christmas music on it.

Patsy
Patsy on January 11, 2006 at 11:52 am

Organized: First of all, I love your screen name and I truly loved your commentary on the RCHH Wurlitzer. I’ve never been to RCMH, but I have seen and heard the Mighty Mo at the Fox in Atlanta played by Larry Embury on December 26th of 2005 when the Fox celebrated its 75th anniversary!

MarkA
MarkA on January 11, 2006 at 8:22 am

Quoting Denpiano’s: I’m 53 and think nothing was better than the 60’s and 70’s.

I remember my high school senior class trip to RCMH in May 1969. The movie playing IIRC was Winning. It was about NASCAR racing … I think Paul Newman was in it.

The stage show featured a “mock” NASA rocket launch from the Great Stage since the first moon walk was planed for July that year. It was nothing short of spectacular. The “smoke and steam” coming from the “rocket engines” was provided by C02 fire extinguishers as I found out almost ten years later on one my my “insiders” tours with the one and only Ray Bohr. I saw these used fire extinguishers up above the curved ceiling on the “roof” of one of the prompt side organ chambers. Ray said they never threw anything out at the Hall. Even the original WurliTzer console pedalboards that were replaced were up there. But, I’ve run off track here.

Getting back to the show, I was seated in the front orchestra and during the organ interlude, I got up and walked over to the prompt side console and discovered Ray at the console, much to my delight. A lady and her son were there and we got into a conversation about the Mighty WurliTzer. She told me that their family had an electronic organ just like the one in front of us. I knew that Ray could hear her. I politely told her that she was not listening to an electronic organ by no means but to the largest original theater pipe organ built to date.

Denpiano, I only have two years on you, and the memories of the 60’s and 70’s shows are great aren’t they? I can only well remember standing in line for hours up 50th street, around Rockefeller Plaza, almost to 51st Street, waiting to get in to see an Easter or a Christmas show and MOVIE. And that’s after traveling from train for three hours to New York City.

It was worth making this year’s Christmas Spectacular as usual. My wife and I liked the new digital screen. Since my 1970’s-type private visits, augmented with a too-short one in 2000, are gone, I consider my annual pilgrimage to RCMH my annual “fix.” My Church where I am organist installed a new church organ (digital) last month and I can get a lot of WurliTzer sounds out of it … much to the pleasure of the congregation.

The late Ray Bohr’s “signature” tune was The Song is Ended, But the Melody Lingers On. It’s so appropriate to what we all talk about here as were share our individual thoughts and recollections of this fabulous place.

IMHO.

Patsy
Patsy on January 10, 2006 at 4:00 am

Ed: You have shed important light on the multiple posts situation as I agree. Thanks.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on January 10, 2006 at 3:44 am

Multiple posts, I find, usually occur when you click the “Submit” button more than once. If it seems like the Submit request is taking a long time, you should still refrain from clicking the button again. Even when the site times out on me during the Submit process, often when I go back in, I find that my comment has been posted after all.

Patsy
Patsy on January 9, 2006 at 4:36 pm

I agree as I have my personal email addressed on my profile page and wish others would do the same as there have been times when I would like to contact a particular CT member about additional theatre information or related topic.

Patsy
Patsy on January 9, 2006 at 4:36 pm

I agree as I have my personal email addressed on my profile page and wish others would do the same as there have been times when I would like to contact a particular CT member about additional theatre information or related topic.

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 9, 2006 at 4:17 pm

Hi Patsy I notice that multiple posts of the same message occurs. That should be fixed as well as way for us to get e-mail that did reply to our posts and not everyones

Patsy
Patsy on January 9, 2006 at 3:39 pm

Rccker: I guess I do recall making that remark sometime in my CT past and it was probably over multiple exact posts as sometimes happens. I really enjoy reading all of the many RCMH posts as it has a rich history in the Big Apple.

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 9, 2006 at 10:53 am

Patsy somewhere in here or another forum you had made a typo and said it was the egg nogg that made you do it.

Patsy
Patsy on January 9, 2006 at 4:40 am

Ed: Thank you for your personal commentary as I was just curious as we have dear Jewish friends, but I don’t believe they have ever been in NYC during the holiday season to see RCMH and the show.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on January 9, 2006 at 4:35 am

Patsy… I’ve been to the Christmas show on several occasions Jewish friends (including my ex-wife and our children who are all Jewish) over the years and – while the Nativity doesn’t have the same resonance with them as it would with a Christian of faith – they were able to appreciate the show purely for its entertainment value. Going in to the show with their eyes wide open (it is, after all, called the “Radio City Christmas Show”) they were not offended by the proceedings and happily stayed till the end, judging the spectacle purely on its artistic merits. The Nativity finale does not push the same hot buttons that, say, Mel Gibson’s film “The Passion” did (whether or not you agree with the criticism heaped upon that movie).

I should say that the same goes for me, since I am not what you would call a religious fellow. And, no, Bill… neither Elmhurst nor Laurelton are close enough to Hicksville that I would have seen “2001” at the Twin South Theater. Thanks for that suggestion, however.

Patsy
Patsy on January 8, 2006 at 1:14 pm

Rocker: Am abit confused by your “Hows the Egg Nogg?” comment?