Radio City Music Hall

1260 6th Avenue,
New York, NY 10020

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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 19, 2005 at 9:22 am

Ken mc
you probably went in ‘71. There was a Christmas Circus stage show with that one. Scrooge was '70.
Robert that’s a great Music Hall Christmas ad. I always liked that illustration of the Leonidoff Nativity used until '69 though its a bit fuzzyy on microfilm.

kencmcintyre
kencmcintyre on December 18, 2005 at 3:16 pm

My first trip to NYC was in December 1970, when I was nine. I went with a church group to see the Christmas show. The film was Bedknobs and Broomsticks, with Angela Lansbury. We also saw the Rockettes and Santa, which was a great production. I remember getting lost trying to find the restroom and crashing a cocktail party somewhere in the building. NYC is a great place to be at Christmas time.

RobertR
RobertR on December 18, 2005 at 9:18 am

The 1961 Christmas show
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Vito
Vito on December 17, 2005 at 4:55 am

Well said Denpiano, at this point all we can ask, is when ever you have corporates ear, you keep the spirit of the music hall we once knew and loved alive, never letting them forget that the hall can be more than just a concert venue or basketball court.

Denpiano
Denpiano on December 16, 2005 at 5:07 pm

Vincent-
You are totally correct about showcasing the theatres many “Capabilities” and one would think that the “Norm' would be to run a wonderful Summer show!! Unfortunately we are thinking with our hearts,not our corporate heads. Its like any other business, when Mom & Pop pass on the STORE to the kids, it usually signals the end of a glorious era. I can only hope that some of our finer execs will come through this coming year. I can tell you that I have come to know some nice people here and I feel there is some hope.
KEEP THE FAITH Folks!

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 16, 2005 at 11:19 am

Gee how about more shows with the organ and the Rockettes for the summer months with all those tourists. Something that would take into consideration the theater itself, the stage capabilities and keep it open all day every day employing many musicians and performers.
But what am I thinking? Treating the Music Hall like it were an arena for hockey games is Cablevision shomanship at its finest.
Why don’t they just save the lobby and turn the rest of it into a condo.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 16, 2005 at 8:30 am

RobertR,
There is a good Times' article on the death of the roadshow from ‘69. It would be great if you could find it and post it on the Rivoli or Criterion page.

RobertR
RobertR on December 16, 2005 at 8:22 am

If you scan down to the bottom of the page you can see an ad for the show “Wonder World” that Leonidoff created for the 1964-65 World’s Fair.
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RobertR
RobertR on December 16, 2005 at 8:08 am

Here is a very good 1978 NY Times story on the Music Halls booking problems.
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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 15, 2005 at 7:48 am

Seeing the ad for a John Wayne movie got me to thinking of the very few films of his that played at the Hall. Certainly The Quiet Man would have been perfect as has been discussed before. What other Hollywood stars had few films there? Did any Crawford movies get a showing? Seems to me she was more of a Capitol/Strand star.

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on December 15, 2005 at 7:32 am

Vincent—
Thanks for your kind comments on my reviews of 1957. I have one more before moving on to 1956. Here’s a Program from January 1957:

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This must be a rare document, because in a post on 14 July 2004 above, SimonL pointed out that “The Barretts of Wimpole Street” garnered the smallest attendance of any film in the glory days of RCMH. The opening week earned $85,000, at a time when the theater’s standard receipts usually hit $140,000 or higher. The show stayed on for an equally dismal second week, and then folded. I can only wonder what prospective audiences might have thought. “Just who were the Barretts of Wimpole Street?” “I think they lived in England.” “O.” “And I think one of them was sick, took morphine, and wrote poetry.” “O.” “And I think she married a guy who was younger than she was and who also wrote poetry.” “O.” “And I think they eloped to Tuscany.” “O. What’s playing at the Roxy?”

If I remember correctly, the movie stopped short of depicting the birth of the Barrett-Brownings’ son in Italy when Elizabeth was forty-three years old and still hypochondriac. They named the boy “Pennini” (I am not joking). The film’s major nod to poetry came in its first frames with an off-screen Jennifer Jones reciting “How Shall I Love Thee?”over images of trees. But the great contour curtain rose slowly and the Grand Organ’s final strains muffled out the sound of the words till they got lost in the high arches. It’s a shame that MGM made these poets’ lives seem so shallow. Besides “Shakespeare in Love,” what good movies are there about poets? Rudolf Friml’s “Vagabond King”? Someone should film Goethe’s “Tasso” or Pierre Louys’s “Sappho” and give it a midnight screening at RCMH. For the record, “Anastasia” was playing as a Christmas hold-over at the Roxy, to be followed by Frank Tashlin’s “The Girl Can’t Help It” with Jayne Mansfield, Tom Ewell, Fats Domino, The Platters, Little Richard, and a dozen other Rock’n’Roll stars.

For all that, I remember the stage show as being quite good. The newspaper theme opened with the Choral Ensemble singing about frantic nights at the daily press and moved to the Rockettes who boogied on the thirty-six keys of a giant typewriter. The entertainment and metro pages were filled by Richiardi, a magician who in the ‘70s mounted his own show on B’way, and by Janik and Arnaut, exotic dancers (in the old sense of the words) who executed a snake charmer number. The conclusion took us to a front-page report on President Eisenhower’s Inaugural Ball that year, with the Corps de Ballet garbed in red, white, and blue for a gambol along the Potomac. There was no Jenna to contend with.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 13, 2005 at 7:28 am

So with all the corporate sponsorship Cablevision has for their events that they charge $100 a ticket for they can’t get sponsorship for Saturday or Sunday afternoon movies with shorts and the organ.
The New York department of cultural affairs should demand they show King Kong with Denpiano at the organ.
By the way went to the lower arcade of the RCA Building yesterday for the first time since the vandalism. The cheap stucco they used to replace the gleaming black marble Art Deco walls has gotten dirty and it now resembles an underground strip mall in Fort Lee, New Jersey.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 12, 2005 at 9:17 am

BOBill,
Your descriptions of the year ‘57 have been especially wonderful.
St Louis is a terrific film and with some of that amazing photography and the great set pieces it must have been very exciting on the Music Hall screen. I’m just sorry Wilder didn’t get a younger actor for Lindberg. Stewart was far too old to play a young fearless aviator at this point(He would have been perfect in '37.)

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on December 12, 2005 at 7:37 am

I just picked up a trio of Rockettes while shopping for Christmas ornaments the other evening… Actually, the Rockettes were ornaments, in miniature, to go along with my little Department 56 set of “Christmas in the City” decorative models. I bought them to compliment the Radio City Music Hall piece from that series.

Somewhere buried in my belongings is a souvenir booklet from the 1978 RCMH presentation of the movie “Crossed Swords” (which was to have been the Hall’s final show ever – until a stay of execution was issued). The booklet, as I recall, featured a history of the theater including an item (with illustration) about the stage elevators and other RCMH technical innovations. If I ever get a chance to dig it out, I might spring to have it digitized – perhaps in a PDF document – and see if I can upload it for view here. I also have a wonderful original hardocver souvenir booklet my Mom saved for “How the West Was Won” that features an explanation of the 3-strip Cinerama process as well as a vintage souvenir program for “It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.” None of these are in particularly good condition, but I’d love to share them with everyone here if I can figure out how.

Dorothy
Dorothy on December 10, 2005 at 7:06 am

Site that lists some of the dancers, articles written about and other info about the Rockettes:

http://www.streetswing.com/histmai2/d2rockt1.htm

Dorothy
Dorothy on December 9, 2005 at 3:07 pm

This may have been posted before
There is an article and full page picture in Invention & Technology Winter 1992 entitled “A Tremendous Lift”.. about Radio City, the elevators etc.

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on December 8, 2005 at 7:32 am

Here’s a Program from March, 1957:

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Another rousing show that year, “The Spirit of St. Louis” and its stage presentation marked a couple of departures. For one, the film bore none of Billy Wilder’s trademark cynicism or irony; or, if it did, those qualities worked so subtly against the film’s celebratory grain that they provided just enough grit to form a pearl. I found it amazing how one actor and a buzzing fly could sustain such attention for so long in a film whose outcome we knew from the start. I shall never forget the ending with the actor and the plane alone in the hanger at Le Bourget as French crowds intoned Lindbergh’s name, the actor naively intoning “There were 200,000 people there that night. And when we came back home, there were 4 million people waiting,” and finally the cut to actual footage of Lindy’s ticker-tape parade in NYC, with “Stars and Stripes Forever” on the soundtrack, now synchronized with the Grand Organ as the great contour curtain fell.

A second departure, as I’ve already remarked on this page (23 July 2004) is that the organ interludes before and after the movie and stage show were framed in a way I’d never experienced before or after at RCMH. Instead of using the golden houselights on the contour curtain and arches, the tech crew lit the entire auditorium in sky blue to match the movie’s theme. And instead of using organ #1 on the left as usual, they used organ #2 on the right. I remember thinking, jees, all these tourists here for the first and maybe last time will never see the famous “sunset” effect of the golden curtain. Some might recall that the newsreels and next-attraction announcement always took place under dimly blue-lit arches to enable arriving and departing patrons to navigate the aisles. For the interludes at this show, the intensity was ratcheted up several levels to bathe the house in Lindy blue. Odd.

A third, but expected, departure was a very brief stage show to make up for the extreme length of the film. I remember its prevailing color scheme figured as blue, too. The opening classical ballet gave way to 1920s-ish Gershwinesque tunes sung by the Foursome (who would reappear later that year in the stage show with “The Pajama Game”). That in turn gave way to a stage set of enormous magazine covers, from which the Rockettes stepped out to perform their routine. Then came the finale and that was it for the show. The program provides credits for umbrellas used in one of the acts, but for the life of me, I can’t remember how they played out in the scenario.

MarkA
MarkA on December 7, 2005 at 10:15 am

RE TDTaylor’s: “The concert nature of the Grand Organ came through at the holidays, Christmas and Easter. It was superior to many church organs for religious music. And the pedal on Rubinstein’s "Kammennoi Ostrow” coupled with the orchestra as the altar of a large cathedral appeared in the Easter show was thrilling."

Many people forget that the Music Hall was designed as a concert organ, not a theater organ per se. It is capable of playing both styles of music. There is a very similar instrument from which the Music Hall’s evolved. It’s the organ in the Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall’s (formerly Convention Hall) Ball Room built by W.W. Kimball. It has 55 sets (ranks) of pipes and the Music Hall has the same 55 sets, plus three more. It is generally thought the Music Hall organ was designed by Kimball (as Roxy was said to favor Kimballs) but it was eventually built by Wurlitzer and the specifications remained unchanged. The pedal on the Music Hall organ is indeed thrilling … even today! Bach’s Toccata from his Toccata and Fugue in d-minor is impressive on the Wurlitzer.

MarkA
MarkA on December 7, 2005 at 9:53 am

RE PeterApruzzese’s: “From what I understood, the organ always used to be amplified – the microphones were embedded in the outer edges of the chambers. Once when the interior was repainted, the microphones were painted over and ruined and then never used again. As of now, it’s difficult to hear the organ when there’s a large crowd.”

Denpiano would probably give us a definitive answer on this. IIRC, the amplification was only used for the percussions, such as the piano, glockenspiel, chimes, etc. Now, the house sound system is so loud, the organ is “softer” than what’s played through the system. As mentioned previously, there was a time that the loudest musical instrument in the theater was the organ. I agree, there is no reason to blast everyone’s ears off during the show.

It’s difficult to hear the organ when people in the audience don’t shut up when the organ starts before the show. They don’t realize the organ “Prelude” is part of the show. <SIGH> I ‘spose audiences aren’t what they once were. Also, it depends on where you are sitting in the theatre to hear the organ the best. I think Denpiano would agree with me that the center front of the third mezzanine is a great place to hear the entire organ as those seats are fairly adjacent to the organ chambers.

Dorothy
Dorothy on December 7, 2005 at 8:34 am

Found this page as well:
Schedule for the Music Hall
Saturday Oct 2, 1937
Feature: Lost Horizon
Shows a Chart with headings: Numbers, Length, 1st thru 6th
Organ (Length) 5,
Silly Symphony & Trailer (Length) 10,
Overture the Bolt (Length) 8,
Stage Show (Length) 19
Feature (Length) 117
Midnight Show: Cartoon

followed by chart for Sun Oct 3, 1937
and Mon to Wed Oct 4,5,6, 1937

Not sure if these are rare or not however we have a couple Radio City Music Hall Bulletins from 1937, 1938 and 1939
“Published Fortnightly By and For the Employees”

Enjoy!

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on December 7, 2005 at 8:16 am

From what I understood, the organ always used to be amplified – the microphones were embedded in the outer edges of the chambers. Once when the interior was repainted, the microphones were painted over and ruined and then never used again. As of now, it’s difficult to hear the organ when there’s a large crowd.

Dorothy
Dorothy on December 7, 2005 at 8:11 am

Also FYI:
A one page article entitled “I Got My Kicks at Radio City” by Grace Case, San Diego, CA
“Performing with the Rockettes in 1935 might have looked glamorous, but it was tough work"
The article appears in "Reminisce Extra” December 1996.
I am told it is a pretty accurate portrayal of the times.

Dorothy
Dorothy on December 7, 2005 at 8:03 am

Hello again.
Just came across this in moms Rockette collection: 8x10 photo and original press note for it that might interest some of you:

Associated Press Photo from New York City

“Chorines Help Load Scrap
Chorus girls snappily load scrap onto a truck at one of the theatres in Radio City in New York Oct 14. About 30,000 pounds of scrap metal were collected at the Theatre.
Associated Press Photo 10/14/42

The b&w photo is of the Rockettes handing items to a truck parked outside as a few onlookers stand on sidewalk watching.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on December 6, 2005 at 10:27 am

According to an above post by Denpiano the wretched excuse for humanity that currently runs the Hall feels the old organ does indeed need some sort of amplification.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on December 6, 2005 at 10:17 am

Yes… It’s annoying that producers do not trust the natural acoustics of a theatrical space work their magic. This has long been a point of consternation with respect to the amplified presentation of most legitimate Broadway productions in recent years. Projection of one’s voice has become a lost art of sorts among current Broadway performers… Or perhaps “hidden art” is a more appropriate term since many capable singers are probably asked to tone it down and let the mic sell the number to those in the farthest reaches of the mezzanine.

Surely, the RCMH organ doesn’t require electronic amplification… does it?