Ziegfeld Theatre

141 W. 54th Street,
New York, NY 10019

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Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on September 10, 2007 at 2:28 pm

Bosley Crowther didn’t think so, as indicated in his review posted above on 8/14/07 and excerpted here:

“The great values in this lyric drama of the Negro residents of Catfish Row, an old slum quarter in Charleston, S. C., are colorfulness, vitality and the eloquence in the music that expresses its characters' joys and sorrows. These are the essential values that are handsomely and throbbingly put forth in this film, which opened last night at the Warner Theatre for a road-show run.”

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on September 10, 2007 at 2:03 pm

I last saw it the same time you did, Ed. I mostly remember Sammy Davis Jr.’s scenes. But it was on a black and white TV, which is why I was so looking forward to seeing it right, at the Ziegfeld.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on September 10, 2007 at 1:59 pm

That should be a question mark at the end of my last post, obviously. I haven’t seen “Porgy and Bess” since it was on network TV back in the ‘70’s. I was very young at the time and much of the film probably went over my head, but I remember being quite entertained by it. My memories of the film’s content, however, are quite dim.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on September 10, 2007 at 1:54 pm

Could it have anything to do with backlash due to what has been characterized by some as negative racial stereotyping in the film’s depictions of African-Americans.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on September 10, 2007 at 1:11 pm

Bill – They appear to only block a video or television release. It has screened a number of times in the past decade in California and in NYC at the AMMI or MoMA (I’m not sure which).

exit
exit on September 10, 2007 at 1:05 pm

Woody Allen used to have all his pictures open at the tiny Baronet on Third Avenue because he liked to see the lines around the block. I think the last time I stood in line in NY was at the Beekman, and Jerry Seinfeld was a couple people ahead of me. Ah, the Beekman…

It seems from Howard’s pictures that they have removed or disabled the front curtain warmer lights at the Ziegfeld. Probably so they could run the cheesy slides. Sad.

Does it bother anyone else that the 2/3 of the space under the Ziegfeld’s marquee is a driveway for a parking garage? Such a theatrical place, then a garage! I know how vital parking is, especially in NY, but really, having it dominate the entrance kinda spoils the look. Of all the places to put a garage entrance, under the Marquee?? Still miss the place, though.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on September 10, 2007 at 1:00 pm

Thanks, Pete. I wonder if the potential cancellation has anything to do with the Gershwin estate. Didn’t they make sure the movie could not be shown for many, many years?

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on September 10, 2007 at 12:46 pm

Lines outside a theater do create a kind of excitement, too, sort of an air of exclusiveness.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on September 10, 2007 at 12:43 pm

No, you can buy tix for the Succasunna classics online. This week’s show on MovieTickets is listed and available to buy (though does anybody really think The Breakfast Club is a classic of any kind?)

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on September 10, 2007 at 12:30 pm

Same could be said for the succasunna theater’s weekly showings of classic movies, no advance ticketing, just pay and enter the theater. I think this will mean long lines at the Ziegfeld. Hope this is not a problem with the next movie, which is Blade Runner.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on September 10, 2007 at 12:09 pm

Bill – there’s word on another forum that someone went to the Ziegfeld to get tickets and was told that the showings might be canceled. If you look at MovieTickets, you can’t buy actually tix for any of the shows.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on September 9, 2007 at 6:33 pm

Irv: “Porgy and Bess” is on the schedule at the Ziegfeld on movietickets.com. One show at 8 PM on 9/26 and three shows on 9/27. I expect these shows might sell out if the word gets out.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on September 8, 2007 at 3:21 pm

Unfortunately, there isn’t a chance that the Ziegfeld will be landmarked. The Beekman should’ve been landmarked!

The Ziegfeld is a wonderful moviehouse, with an interior far more interesting than its exterior. I’ve posted these before, but they are lost with so many posts above.

the Lobby:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/chowmeyow/516103873/

ornate metalwork:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/howardbhaas/99853569/

auditorium:
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Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on September 8, 2007 at 3:12 pm

Simon obviously hasn’t been to The Ziegfeld and if he has then he probably doesn’t like any theater built after the 1940’s. The Ziegfeld is “arguably” the last movie palace built in New York and while it is very much a modern design (compared to the old grand dames) it is still very much a dramatic and enjoyable theater in the tradition of the old palaces. It still feels like a special event to see a film here; at least for me. Also interesteing that the Ziegfeld can be called a “modern palace” when it is already about 40 years old. I can see The Ziegfeld eventually being landmarked as a prime example of modernist theater architecture and the lone remaining single screen movie palace in the city still operating as such. I hope that happens some day.

Simon Overton
Simon Overton on September 8, 2007 at 9:54 am

How could such a significant name of ZIEGFELD, in the world of theater, have been allowed to its use on such a dumpy-looking boxy theater?
That “place” is typical of the countless dreary, unimaginative buildings churned out like shoe boxes of the ugly 1960’s period that needs to be forgotten!

evmovieguy
evmovieguy on September 8, 2007 at 8:13 am

I just went to the Clearview Special Engagement website and saw that Sat. NIght Fever is being held over through this weekend, but Porgy and Bess is no longer on the calendar. They just have Blade Runner down as the next feature. Anybody know what’s going on here?

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on September 7, 2007 at 9:34 pm

Hey saps… I have mixed feelings about the new versions as well and have yet to see the movie in anything other than its original theatrical version. The narration of the original works so well with the film’s overall “noir” atmostphere. Sean Young looks as if she could have stepped right out of “Murder My Sweet” in this film – and Ford’s monotone reading of the narration (whether intended or not) nails the world weary voice-overs typical to the genre films of the ‘40’s and '50’s. I’m all for having the director of a film present his original and undiluted vision, however, so I look forward to finally seeing his final cut – and what better place than the Ziegfeld? And yes, a 70mm print would have been nice, but I think we’re in for a audio-visual treat with this upcoming engagement!

See you guys there!

JodarMovieFan
JodarMovieFan on September 7, 2007 at 4:47 pm

65mm scanned at 8K? I’m drooling. Too bad there aren’t 8K Digital projectors, heck 4K seems like a dream. If they went to all that trouble and had the original 65mm visual effect negatives, why not strike a 65mm master and make a few good prints and let it be re-released for a limited special road show-type engagement? LA, NY, DC/Baltimore, Seattle and Houston.

I’ve followed and read about Doug Trumbull’s preference for working with 65mm given its greater visual/color clarity and it does make a difference..just look at his body of visual fx work, to me, it stands superior to anything ILM has done pre-CGI, heck probably post-CGI, too.

As for the Clearview ad, it just states “special print” and I take print to mean film and not digital. Even if it turns out to be 35mm film, it will have those high value elements (65mm this, 8K scanned that, digital 5.1 track made from the original 6-track mag masters, etc) that will most likely exceed anything we have seen before, in a new cut never experienced before. Sounds like its worth the trip to NYC for me. :)

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on September 7, 2007 at 12:04 pm

I really liked the first one (with the narration and hopeful blue sky ending, and saw it so many times in the movies, especially at the old St. Marks’s Cinema (/theaters/11089/) that I’ve worried about seeing a new version, even in pristine conditions.

moviebuff82
moviebuff82 on September 7, 2007 at 11:19 am

can’t wait to see it when it’s on bluray…is the new indy jones movie going to play at the ziegfeld next year? I would love to see more new releases playing at this legendary venue.

celboy
celboy on September 7, 2007 at 10:51 am

Can’t wait for this one.
I may have to take the day off.
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BLADE RUNNER
SPECIAL ENGAGEMENT AT THE ZIEGFELD
BLADE RUNNER
Deckard is a Blade Runner, a police man of the future who hunts down and terminates replicants, artificially created humans. He wants to get out of the force, but is drawn back in when 4 “skin jobs”, a slang term for replicants, hijack a ship back to Earth. The city that Deckard must search for his prey is a huge, sprawling, bleak vision of the future. This film questions what it is to be human, and why life is so precious.
Friday October 5th – Thursday October 18th (New Print)

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<<All of this was occurring as the fifth version â€" Scott’s final cut â€" was painstakingly assembled from original elements, including the original 65mm negative. De Lauzirika has been working on it over a seven-year period. “And this time, Ridley approved every single thing that went into it â€" every single cut, every single effect,” he says.“We’re right back to square one,” Galvao says of The Final Cut elements. “We scanned the cut negative, plus the negatives we dug out of vaults in England, here at Warner Bros., and [co-executive producer] Jerry Perenchio’s vault as well. We went through and viewed every frame of every roll that we could find.” “Honestly, I got to go through 977 boxes and cans of mag, IP, INs, 65mm visual effects comps, 35mm original dailies … everything ever printed,” de Lauzirika says. “I saw amazing, amazing material â€" much of which we’ve been able to pull and put on the DVD in some form, even if it didn’t make it into The Final Cut.“I think The Final Cut is the best version of them all. The picture and sound on it are just astounding. We really put a lot of work into the restoration, and we transferred the actual original neg at 4K, and it just looks stunning. Even more stunning are the visual effects, which were originally 65mm elements, then scanned at 8K. It looks like 3D. It’s so sharp, with all these details that I’d never seen before.”
According to Galvao, the assembly and restoration for The Final Cut included some reworking of the original effects â€" tightening some mattes, doing some wire removal, etc.>>

R2D2
R2D2 on September 4, 2007 at 8:58 pm

Irv asked: “Anyway, it was great to be at the Ziegfeld again. I was also wondering, did [‘Saturday Night Fever’] have it’s first run there?”

Justin Fencsak answered: “nope. It was at the Astor, which was the Ziegfeld’s rival at the time”

Warren corrected: “Nope! You mean the Astor Plaza, which is now the Nokia. The Astor Theatre was a block north of that site.”

And now…R2D2 clarifies:

“Saturday Night Fever” did not play the ASTOR PLAZA (or the ASTOR) during its initial engagements. As referenced from the New York Times microfilm, “Saturday Night Fever” opened Dec. 16, 1977 with the Manhattan bookings being LOEWS STATE, LOEWS CINE and 34th STREET EAST. After the first week, the CINE engagement moved to LOEWS ORPHEUM.

Justin: Where did you get your information? At the time of the release of “Saturday Night Fever,” “Star Wars” was in its 30th week at ASTOR PLAZA, and “Close Encounters Of The Third Kind” was in its 5th week at the ZIEGFELD.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on September 3, 2007 at 7:13 pm

Now that the debate is over, all I can say is, I wish there was still a theater in New York that had three operational Cinerama booths, whether they were visible or not. Roadshow, you’re lucky to be living in a city that does still have such a theater. Even though they haven’t shown Cinerama for two years, they’re bound to do it again someday.

Back to the Ziegfeld, which is still a source of pride for New York even without the three booths: Movieguy, at one point I thought people in the audience were talking behind me during “Saturday Night Fever”. I soon realized that it was part of the surround soundtrack. Very impressive!

exit
exit on September 2, 2007 at 11:18 pm

I’m aware there were different versions of 3D and different glasses. I was not talking about any era at all. I only made a passing mention of a few gimmics to point out that they were brought in for one feature and not part of the permanent equipment. None of that has much to do with my original point, which is that technology serves best by enabling, augmenting or enhancing technology, rather than replacing it. It was at that point that Veyoung pulled us off-topic to debate on unrelated details.