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Bway commented about Bellerose Theater on Apr 24, 2008 at 9:00 am

And by the way, this theater IS in Bellerose, and should be listed as such. Just because the post office from Floral Park serves this location due to convenience because it’s north of the railroad tracks is besides the point.

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Bway commented about Bellerose Theater on Apr 24, 2008 at 8:59 am

Warren, the community of “Bellerose” is not “Soley in Queens”. I know people that live in Bellerose, but are in Nassau County. I have no idea what the offical address of this theater is, or what it should be, but Bellerose is NOT only in Queens, it also is contained partly in Nassau County.

Okay, next, I did a mapquest search for this address and it turns up for Bellerose:

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Next, according to my Nassau County atlas by Hagstroms, the SOUTH side of Jericho Turnpike in THIS location IS in NASSAU county. The county line runs down the middle of the street, and north of the turnpike is Queens, and south of the turnpike is NASSAU.
Now, here is where the problem lies….. The theater IS in Bellerose, and IS in Nassau county. HOWEVER, the area of Bellerose, a part that is IN Nassau county, from the county line, almong Jericho….north of the RAILROAD tracks, and west of Remsen Ave….while WHOLEY in Nassau IS SERVED by the Floral Park Post office…..

So in summary, the theater IS fully in Bellerose. It IS fully in NASSAU, but the post office of Floral Park serves their mail.

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 22, 2008 at 9:03 pm

For consistency, yes, this was the right decision. If it was “only” a chuch, like the old Loew’s Valencia, now the “Tabernacle of Prayer”, which ONLY is a church, then it could go back to 175th St Theater, as you wouldn’t have Tabernacle of Prayer as the title of theater, as it’s NOT a theater, it’s a church. This theater is a bit unique, as it is both at this time. Seach “theaters” or “venues” at ticketmaster, and THIS building comes up as “The United Palace Theatre” (with theater in the name, but let’s not go there).
I think people are too sensitive, this place hasn’t been the 175th St Theater in almost 40 years, and even though it has only come back to being a theater over the last 2 or 3 years, it IS being used as a theater once again, even if in addition to it’s main church function.
Would we be better off if the place had “Dollar Tree” or “Walgreens” haning over the marquee instead, and the name could be “175th St Theater” on this page? I think it’s wonderful that they opened up the doors to being a theater in addition to their church once again.

If they ever stop using the place for concerts, and it once again is only a church, then perhaps it should be revisited, but the theater operating out of here, even if briefly is called “The United Palace Theatre” on anywhere the venue is mentioned, so the right decision was made.
And hey, we are all here for the same reason, we love these old buildings. Again, we should be happy that it is preserved and oeprating.

Bway
Bway commented about Loew's Valencia Theatre on Apr 22, 2008 at 8:59 pm

I am not familiar with the church, as was only last in there when it was still the Valencia. Also, the colors they painted the interior are quite questionable, but again, hey, it’s being well cared for and maintained, and that’s better than we can say for most theaters. Again, all that was “The Valencia” is all still there, and for that we should be thankful. This is the next best thing next to actually showing movies inside. Certainly better than a “Duane Reade” sign on the marquee.

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 22, 2008 at 8:08 am

Howard, I agree, much credit has to go to this congregation in restoring, and maintaining the unbelieveable former 175th St Theater in such beautiful shape. And I am glad that they have also come to the point, where the theater can be used for concerts and other events as a theater, in addition to serving their needs as a church, as I am sure it brings them in needed money too, as this theater is not cheap to maintain and operate.
So yes, credit to churches that take over these great old movie palaces and keep them intact for future generations. It’s so much better than walking into a place like this that is now just another drug store…..

Bway
Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm

And truly, the reason that the policy of the site is to have the current name as the main title, and all other names as “former” names, is because the site is set up for the general public. Someone walking by this theater today, and curious about it, and googling what it says currently on the marquee today is brought to this page. Aside from theater buffs, or some historians, no one will have any idea what the name of this theater would have been almost 40 years prior (and that goes for any theater). Someone walking past the Nokia Theater may not even know it was called the Astor Plaza Theater just 3 years ago…..much less a theater name from 40 years ago. I understand the reason for that policy of the site, and it must be consistent. I know it’s painful to lose the original name of “175th St Theater” as the main name….but I don’t think there are theater pages were exceptions to this rule are made, no matter how significant the theater is. For example, if they (for arguments sake) changed the name of Graumann’s Chinese Theatre to the “Hollywood Blvd Theatre” and that’s how it was operating….the name WOULD have to be changed if the policy is to remain consistent on the site. Thankfully that isn’t happening, but that’s what would happen.

Now lets get back to what we come to this site for, to enjoy the history of these great buildings. And think of this alternative….we could tragically be talking here on this page about how beautiful the 175th St Theatre WAS with it’s name still as the main name….if the theater had been gutted 38 years ago for retail…..let’s be happy the least of this theater’s “problems” is it’s current name. I much rather see this name up there, than the original name there if the theater was no longer operating, and instead you could be buying dollar store items inside instead…..

Bway
Bway commented about Loew's Valencia Theatre on Apr 21, 2008 at 9:09 pm

I don’t understand that, but I guess that is the way it is done. As mentioned though, this building is very much open, and almost fully intact inside from it’s theater days. Of course, it’s been modified for the church use, which includes the chandelier to bring in light (as while a theater needs darkness, a church needs light), but if someone said tomorrow that they wanted to make the Valencia a theater again, it wouldn’t be all that hard to do, as most of it is intact.
I can understand a theater gone retail being listed as “closed”, such as let’s say the RKO Madison which is still very much the building standing, yet the interior gutted….that makes sense to say “closed”. However, the Valencia, although only used as a church, is very much open to the public, and still looks like a theater.

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Bway commented about Washington Theatre on Apr 21, 2008 at 1:02 pm

The building that is on the site is currently used as stores. It appears to be an older building, but I don’t know for sure. 474 and 476 Myrtle are combined to one building property, and is the 4 and 5th building to the right of Hall St in this photo. Please note that I spun the map, so south is on the top. It appears all the buildings are older tenemant style buildings, so it’s higly likely that if the theater closed in the 30’s, this is the same building that housed the theater:

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Bway commented about Pleasant Hour Theatre on Apr 21, 2008 at 12:51 pm

665 Myrtle Ave is currently occupied by a church, “Iglesia Pentecostal Santidad”. Before 2005, it was “Ark Of Refuge Pentecostal Church”. That would make me think that the theater “may” still be intact, but I have no idea when this church was built. Churches take over old theaters very well, but that’s not to say that this is the same building that housed the theater.
Anyway, a local.live.com search shows the building at the NE corner of Myrtle and Skillman St.
See here for link to aerial image:

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 21, 2008 at 9:17 am

I didn’t say they would go to cinematreasures. I said they would be searching for the the United Palace Theater on ticketmaster (or wherever). That is because that is the CURRENT name of the theater. You misunderstood why I mentioned that. I meant it that they wouldn’t be searching ticketmaster under “175th St Theater”, which is NOT the current operating name of this theater. This website, in most of my experience here (unless you can point me to some theater that this isn’t true) uses the CURRENT name as the title, which is the United Palace Theatre.

But that all an aside, at the very least, “United Palace Theatre” should be an aka name here. As that IS the current name for the THEATER operation of this building.

Bway
Bway commented about Broadway Theatre on Apr 21, 2008 at 9:14 am

Great news! Please keep us informed if you hear anything else as time goes on….

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 20, 2008 at 10:34 pm

And by the way, while yes, it is not used particularly often as a concert venue, it does have some events scheduled according to Ticketmaster:

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And also according to the link Al posted a few posts up:

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Someone searching for those tickets at this venue wouldn’t be able to seach for them looking at the “175th St Theater”, as it hasn’t existed in almost 40 years. But would find them under the United Palace Theater, the name of the theater the concerts play at.

Bway
Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 20, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Howard. No offence, but what the heck is “Get a life”. Why would you even say something like that? Where have I gotten “out of line”? By having “the nerve” to suggest that a theater name may need to be changed on a website? All I was suggesting is an observation about a name of a theater, and how it’s listed on the site, perhaps (or perhaps not) against the policy of how names are listed by current use. I am afraid YOU should get a life if you can’t handle an adult conversation/debate on it. At least Warren respectfully disagreed with me.

“Get a Life”? Is that necessary? The nerve of me to to suggest such a thing. Geesh.

Bway
Bway commented about Parthenon Theatre on Apr 20, 2008 at 11:15 am

The exterior might still be intact, although you are probably correct about the interior. I think that under that awful 1960’s or 1970’s aluminum siding covering, would still be the original brickwork.

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 20, 2008 at 11:03 am

Al, you are correct. Most people outside regulars of this site or in the “theater world” would even know the church has once been called the Loews 175th St.
The OFFICIAL policy of this site is to have the main name of any particular theater as the CURRENT name of the theater. This theater is called the “United Palace Theatre”. If you are looking to buy tickets for a “Van Morrison” concert on Ticketmaster at this theater, you are searching the UNITED PALACE THEATRE, not the Loews 175th St. It doesn’t matter if it is mostly a church, which is true, but the fact remains that it is no longer ONLY a church. The theater IS used as a theater in addition to a church. This is not like the Loews Valencia which is rightly still called the Valencia as the main name on this site, as it is ONLY a church. The “Tabernacle of Prayer” is NOT used as a theater, and only for a church, so Valencia’s name remains, just as you would not call the old Oriental Theater in Boro Park “Marshalls”, as it’s not used as theater. The 175th St IS used as a theater, even if not as regularly as a church. The place IS a concert venue, and IS open to the public not attending church services.
Yes, this theater is more significant than the Blender Theater (Grammercy Theater), or the Nokia Times Square Theater (Astor Plaza Theater), however, both those theaters lost their former theater names and use the concert venue names instead, as THAT is the official POLICY of the site, so they were rightfully changed.
This theater not only should have the United Palace Theatre name, as that is the official CURRENT name of this venue, it doesn’t even make mention of the CURRENT name as an aka name. Like it or not, THAT is the name of this theater, not the 175th St Theater, which hasn’t existed in name in almost 40 years.

Other examples would be performing arts theaters. The REGENT theater in Bay Shore is listed as the Boulton Center for the Performing Arts, as THAT is the current name of the place. There are many such situations.

I know the 175th St Theater is more significant than many others, however, what theaters are given an exception to the “current name” policy? How many theaters are named by their former names instead of their current name, and which are they?

Bway
Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 17, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Okay, I guess I understand the point, even though it seems to be a little contrary and inconsistent with what has happened with other theaters regarding current vs. former names.
But should the “United Palace Theatre” at least be used as an “aka” name?

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 17, 2008 at 11:58 am

By the way, I didn’t mean to imply that the 175th St Theater was less significant than the old Astor Plaza (Nokia) or Grammercy Theater (Blender), those two sentences sort of give the wrong impression, I meant to say that many significiant Theaters use their current names on the site…then went on about Grammercy and Astor, I didn’t mean to imply that those are more or just as significant “cinema treasures”, just that those are two examples of theaters in general that are using their most recent names instead of their movie day names.

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 17, 2008 at 11:55 am

That’s the CURRENT name of the theater. I hate to lose the original name of this place too, but other just as significant theaters listed on this site, which are no longer showing movies, but still operating as theaters (even if only part time) are listed as their current names. I thought that was the policy of the website. Again, if you type “venues” at ticketmaster, this theater doesn’t come up as the “175th St Theatre”, it comes up as the “United Palace Theatre”:

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I agree, it is much more significant as the “175th St”, yet like other theaters that no longer show movies, but are concert halls, such as Nokia and Blender, they are listed as their current names.

Unfortunately for consistancy, it should show the current name. I mean again, for example, wasn’t the “Mayfair Theater” more significant when it operated as such, or later when it became the “Embassy 2,3,4”, yet it is listed as it’s most current (or in that case last operating name) name used.

Incidentally, from what I have read, the projection capabilities are also still intact at the 175th St-United Palace Theatre.

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 17, 2008 at 10:36 am

The “Nokia Theater Times Square” doesn’t show movies either anymore, yet that is the main name listed for the old Astor Plaza Theater.
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There are many all over the site named as their CURRENT name:
-the old Grammercy Theater, now the Blender Theater. Also doesn’t show movies under “Blender Theater”.
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Those are just two off the top of my head. There have to be countless more if we start looking for former theaters, now concert venues. All the concert bookings don’t call this place a “church”, they call it the United Palace Theatre.

Bway
Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 17, 2008 at 8:27 am

Also, it’s status isn’t closed, as the building is not only being used as a church, it is also open for concerts as mentioned above.

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Bway commented about United Palace of Cultural Arts on Apr 17, 2008 at 8:27 am

I think this theater may have to be changed to “United Palace Theatre”. That is how it’s advertised in Concert Bookings. The place is still a church, but it is also used as a Theater/Concert venue too. Many famous performers have played here, such as the Black Crowes, Niel Young, Van Morrison, etc….

For example, that’s how ticketmaster calls the theater, and I have seen the “United Palace Theatre” name on other advertising for concerts too.

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I know it’s tough to lose the “real” name as the main theater name, but I think in the policy of the website, the 175th St Theater name may have to become the “aka” name, as the current name IS the “United Palace Theatre” for concert bookings, even though they just call it the Christ United Palace for the church.
Even the Astor Plaza Theater had to be changed to “Nokia Theater” when it became a concert venue. I know it’s not only a concert hall, but is still a church, but shouldn’t the name reflect the current theater name?

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Bway commented about Embassy 1,2,3 Theatre on Apr 15, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Is there an update on the fate of this theater? Did it reopen as retail?

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Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Apr 15, 2008 at 11:38 am

I think you may be thinking of Maasbach’s. They closed in the early 2000’s and was taken over by Corato’s Pizza which was across the street. Coratos recently closed the fancier dining room area of the restaurant, and the corner part became a Washington Mutual Bank. Coratos is still in the other part of the old Maasbach’s.

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Bway commented about Ritz Theatre on Apr 12, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Thanks so much for all your information! Your post gives a great history of the theater. Yes, as my photo shows, it’s being used for “something”. But judging by what’s on the marquee, you are right, it doesn’t seem it’s “The Masquerade” anymore. The marquee just says something about an art exhibit.

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Bway commented about Monroe Theatre on Apr 8, 2008 at 10:14 pm

By the way, “Broadway and Lorimer” is also right where Throop comes in at an angle making a three interesection crossing. That is also where the school in the maps.live.com image is, leading me to believe that the theater was once in the location of where the school is now.