mOvies need to stay in 35mm film;It is movie.You can take it out the cans.hold to light and see a frame of a film.AS much as i hated carrying film cans to the booth I knew I had Clint Eastwood’s latest adventure in my popcorn stained hands.
Oneperson suggested a digital “screen” to show movies during the day…it already exists at baseball stadiums…it’s a jumbotron…and some stadiums show movies when the team is on the road…..
I havent been to a drive in in years, but I do want them to survive.
I have learned the new digital shit, don`t like it one bit, but like you say live with it. My brother & I are talking about opening a twin when my recording money comes through. You can bet your bottom dollar it will be film and not this garbage. Film is much more reliable.
Norelco
My hat is off to you for 50 years of service. I was a radio announcer now it’s voice trx and kids working for 5.00 an hour. I think we both have to adjust with the times and do our best to learn the new way of doing things. Good Luck Jim
Fat chance, I am not going anywhere, I am to dam good.
1. I have been doing this for 50 years.
2. There is not a projector or lamp I have not run, or rebuilt at one time or another.
3. I have done many instalations, as well as equalizing sond in theatre`s, running wires, hooking them up, and everything, to get a booth up and running, as well as putting up screens.
Time will work out as you both said above. Besides there are no unions left that I could go to anyway.
Have a nice day.
Norelco
Norelco didn’t say the power went out. He said the storm knocked out the video system. Video projectors like the computer that controls it are sensitive to power line spikes/noise and brownouts. The storm probably scrambled/corrurpted/damaged the video system. Probably blew out the main computer control board and power supply I would think. This would certainly not have affected a film projection setup.
In my area of the country, Washington state, any power outages we experience at theaters is usually after 9 pm.
LIKE THEATERS NEVER HAD POWER OUTAGES THAT LEFT KIDS IN TEARS WITH FILM …NORELCO YOUR ON OF THE PROJECTIONIST TYPE WE HOPED THE UNION WOULD SEND ELSEWERE.!!!!!!
So much for digital, ha ha, what a joke. I have been running movies for Vanderbilt childrens hospital, once or twice a month. They got a huge gym, auditorium setting witch can also do 35mm movies. They recently went digital for Harry Potters Goblet of fire. Midway through the showing a storm hits and knocks out the stupid system. So many kids were heartbroken, but not as much as Vandys executive board when they found out it would cost thousands of dollars to repair. I get a call to come in this weekend to reinstall the good old X-L`s since they decided to go back to film, and scruff the digital sh-t as they call it. What a great day, all theatres should do likewise.
Norelco
I was a union projectionist for years, did not always agree on everthing they did, but look now, companies can hire you for next to nothing, treat you like garbage, no paid vacation, no holidays paid, and lets not forget health care that we used to get. Greed is the downfall of unions, as well as theatre owners alike. When they took people out of the booth to save money was the end of good showings. Sure the union cost more but I remember when union men would go to different theatres to check on thier comrads, and if you had scratched prints, hot spots, or missed changeovers your ass was hauled before the executive board and you were fined and suspended. We used to try and run perfect movies at all times, because we cared. Then came manager operators, and the scratching and all else began.
Norelco
Why the digital v film debate here? If drive-in owners feel there is a economic/exhibition benefit to going digital, and it seems that they do, than more power to them. It would be better to have a drive-in showing a digital movie than to have a souless building or parking lot in its space.
“Times will be set by the week and start ontime by the computer. ”
Given the soulless dreck currently poured out every week by Hollywood, this seems appropriate. :)
I can’t wait for one of those computerized operations to crash when there’s a big show. The inability (due to computer control) to hold a show for 5 minutes because of large crowds will be fun to watch…
dfc-digital wil cost people there jobs …like you say dvd at home anyone can do it …this is what will happen over the next 5 to 1o years in theaters .Times will be set by the week and start ontime by the computer.
“You want perfect picture, at the cost of peoples jobs”
I don’t know if a perfectly projected picture will cost anyone their job. But with movie theater patrons shelling out close to $10/ticket, a perfect picture isn’t too much to ask for. Remember, for $15 to $20, they can and are buying DVDs, which can be perfectly viewed at home.
Projectionist have done allot for theatre owners in the past, my dad was a theatre owner. Myself and others we hired all did our share. You want perfect picture, at the cost of peoples jobs. why don`t you join that asshole in DC.at 1600 PA. AVE. I can except change, but not when it hurts others all for the love of a dollar.
Norelco
I tried searching Business week for a more current article but couldn’t find one. The failure rate is near 10%, that’s pretty bad but all new technology goes through that at first.
The big screen forum – ROCKY VAUDEVILLE WRITES- “The picture brilliantand perfectly in focus.It was like watching a giant tv screen.There were no hot spots ,even light everywere.No soft focus anywere. I WAS TRULY AMAZES.” This from one of the most respected theater owners in the country.The price is the issue wich i am sure will be addressed.$80,000.00 a screen is the average cost.The projectionist sayvings should offset that over 5 years.There will be no more projectionists rather a service contract company.JMIO
No deal that’s been presented to us as far as I know. The studios have floated some plan where we pay for everything and they rebate us the cost over a 10 year period, but they’ve still never even sent anything on paper about it. Vaporware.
The majority of the currrent installations were paid for by Texas Instruments, Kodak and the other digital cinema makers as a way to demo their equipment. With a per-location failure rate hovering just under 10%, these demos aren’t convincing many theatre owners to pay up.
I’ve seen cost estimates of +$100k per theater for digital conversion. Isn’t there some kind of a deal in the works where the studios would buy the equipment but the theater owners would pay for the installation?
Peter is 100% correct on all counts. And I agree with njmoviefan – properly projected 35mm film (with a quality print) is far superior to digital projection. Of course, you have to have properly trained projectionists who care and well-maintained eqiupment. Many chains today are careless about who starts the show and threads up the machine, and some of the prints today are spit out so fast by the studios that the actual physical quality of prints are just not what they used to be. As for the equipment, well most teenagers in the booth don’t know how to focus a bulb or fine tune the projector regularly like an experienced projectionist, so they don’t even notice the picture is not quite what it could be.
The sad reality is that eventually digital will be forced upon theaters, because that is what the studios want – and it’s their party.
mOvies need to stay in 35mm film;It is movie.You can take it out the cans.hold to light and see a frame of a film.AS much as i hated carrying film cans to the booth I knew I had Clint Eastwood’s latest adventure in my popcorn stained hands.
Interesting article, as well as debate.
Oneperson suggested a digital “screen” to show movies during the day…it already exists at baseball stadiums…it’s a jumbotron…and some stadiums show movies when the team is on the road…..
I havent been to a drive in in years, but I do want them to survive.
Sir I Believe You. I hope You and your brother get to open a Twin Theatre with film. I would chome vist you. Jim
I have learned the new digital shit, don`t like it one bit, but like you say live with it. My brother & I are talking about opening a twin when my recording money comes through. You can bet your bottom dollar it will be film and not this garbage. Film is much more reliable.
Norelco
My hat is off to you for 50 years of service. I was a radio announcer now it’s voice trx and kids working for 5.00 an hour. I think we both have to adjust with the times and do our best to learn the new way of doing things. Good Luck Jim
Fat chance, I am not going anywhere, I am to dam good.
1. I have been doing this for 50 years.
2. There is not a projector or lamp I have not run, or rebuilt at one time or another.
3. I have done many instalations, as well as equalizing sond in theatre`s, running wires, hooking them up, and everything, to get a booth up and running, as well as putting up screens.
Time will work out as you both said above. Besides there are no unions left that I could go to anyway.
Have a nice day.
Norelco
i agree JIM
Yes, There will be problems but time marches on. Change is hard no matter what it is but it will work out in the end. And I belive for the better.
The point is film or digital will have problems with digital no more film breaks ,platter wraps and so on … Digital will have its problems as well.
Norelco didn’t say the power went out. He said the storm knocked out the video system. Video projectors like the computer that controls it are sensitive to power line spikes/noise and brownouts. The storm probably scrambled/corrurpted/damaged the video system. Probably blew out the main computer control board and power supply I would think. This would certainly not have affected a film projection setup.
In my area of the country, Washington state, any power outages we experience at theaters is usually after 9 pm.
LIKE THEATERS NEVER HAD POWER OUTAGES THAT LEFT KIDS IN TEARS WITH FILM …NORELCO YOUR ON OF THE PROJECTIONIST TYPE WE HOPED THE UNION WOULD SEND ELSEWERE.!!!!!!
So much for digital, ha ha, what a joke. I have been running movies for Vanderbilt childrens hospital, once or twice a month. They got a huge gym, auditorium setting witch can also do 35mm movies. They recently went digital for Harry Potter
s Goblet of fire. Midway through the showing a storm hits and knocks out the stupid system. So many kids were heartbroken, but not as much as Vandys executive board when they found out it would cost thousands of dollars to repair. I get a call to come in this weekend to reinstall the good old X-L`s since they decided to go back to film, and scruff the digital sh-t as they call it. What a great day, all theatres should do likewise.Norelco
I was a union projectionist for years, did not always agree on everthing they did, but look now, companies can hire you for next to nothing, treat you like garbage, no paid vacation, no holidays paid, and lets not forget health care that we used to get. Greed is the downfall of unions, as well as theatre owners alike. When they took people out of the booth to save money was the end of good showings. Sure the union cost more but I remember when union men would go to different theatres to check on thier comrads, and if you had scratched prints, hot spots, or missed changeovers your ass was hauled before the executive board and you were fined and suspended. We used to try and run perfect movies at all times, because we cared. Then came manager operators, and the scratching and all else began.
Norelco
Why the digital v film debate here? If drive-in owners feel there is a economic/exhibition benefit to going digital, and it seems that they do, than more power to them. It would be better to have a drive-in showing a digital movie than to have a souless building or parking lot in its space.
“Times will be set by the week and start ontime by the computer. ”
Given the soulless dreck currently poured out every week by Hollywood, this seems appropriate. :)
I can’t wait for one of those computerized operations to crash when there’s a big show. The inability (due to computer control) to hold a show for 5 minutes because of large crowds will be fun to watch…
norelco -nice mouth!
dfc-digital wil cost people there jobs …like you say dvd at home anyone can do it …this is what will happen over the next 5 to 1o years in theaters .Times will be set by the week and start ontime by the computer.
NORELCO-you must have never have worked in a state with union projectionists…
“You want perfect picture, at the cost of peoples jobs”
I don’t know if a perfectly projected picture will cost anyone their job. But with movie theater patrons shelling out close to $10/ticket, a perfect picture isn’t too much to ask for. Remember, for $15 to $20, they can and are buying DVDs, which can be perfectly viewed at home.
Projectionist have done allot for theatre owners in the past, my dad was a theatre owner. Myself and others we hired all did our share. You want perfect picture, at the cost of peoples jobs. why don`t you join that asshole in DC.at 1600 PA. AVE. I can except change, but not when it hurts others all for the love of a dollar.
Norelco
I read about digital conversion plans in a year-old Business Week story:
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I tried searching Business week for a more current article but couldn’t find one. The failure rate is near 10%, that’s pretty bad but all new technology goes through that at first.
The big screen forum – ROCKY VAUDEVILLE WRITES- “The picture brilliantand perfectly in focus.It was like watching a giant tv screen.There were no hot spots ,even light everywere.No soft focus anywere. I WAS TRULY AMAZES.” This from one of the most respected theater owners in the country.The price is the issue wich i am sure will be addressed.$80,000.00 a screen is the average cost.The projectionist sayvings should offset that over 5 years.There will be no more projectionists rather a service contract company.JMIO
DFC:
No deal that’s been presented to us as far as I know. The studios have floated some plan where we pay for everything and they rebate us the cost over a 10 year period, but they’ve still never even sent anything on paper about it. Vaporware.
The majority of the currrent installations were paid for by Texas Instruments, Kodak and the other digital cinema makers as a way to demo their equipment. With a per-location failure rate hovering just under 10%, these demos aren’t convincing many theatre owners to pay up.
I’ve seen cost estimates of +$100k per theater for digital conversion. Isn’t there some kind of a deal in the works where the studios would buy the equipment but the theater owners would pay for the installation?
Peter is 100% correct on all counts. And I agree with njmoviefan – properly projected 35mm film (with a quality print) is far superior to digital projection. Of course, you have to have properly trained projectionists who care and well-maintained eqiupment. Many chains today are careless about who starts the show and threads up the machine, and some of the prints today are spit out so fast by the studios that the actual physical quality of prints are just not what they used to be. As for the equipment, well most teenagers in the booth don’t know how to focus a bulb or fine tune the projector regularly like an experienced projectionist, so they don’t even notice the picture is not quite what it could be.
The sad reality is that eventually digital will be forced upon theaters, because that is what the studios want – and it’s their party.