Here in the UK, in the London suburb of Notting Hill we have a very famous old cinema named the Coronet /theaters/1463/
It still operates screening new releases, but here is the difference, it is now owned, operated and programmed by the Kensington Temple Church…..and guess what…..the current attraction is “Broke Back Mountain”.
Yes, we really do have a free thinking open society here in the UK. Now WAKE UP AMERICA!
My dearest Scary Eisentwat. The words “poor wretched creature” are not more than kind, loving words when you take into account the numerous of vicious assaults that we homos are forced to endure on a re-occurring basis. I’m sorry to inform you, but we face constant eternal damnations from the fanatic right. This Devine Right points an accusing fingerâ€"never to save us really, but merely to save themselves, as if the finger making the judgment calls will distract god from their own sins. Jngayson shouldn’t jump on here with his high and almighty sword to spew his “I’m-OK-you’re-NOT-OK” drivel and not expect to be pitied for a poor wretched creature. Anybody who makes his brother an example of everything wrong with people is pretty wretched in my opinion. Regarding the topic at hand, out of all the people I know who have seen “Brokeback Mountain,” be they gay, lesbian, straight male or female, only one person had a problem with this movie. I know a closeted gay man who found this to be the most ghastly movie ever made. Not surprisingly it was much too close to home. Why else would a subject matter be so upsetting? Maybe jngayson isn’t referring to gay a brother at all—-WHOOP there it is!
Luv,
Me
PS: If the Right-Wing elite stand inside the White Pearly Gates, then douse my underoos in diesel fuel and show me the way down.
I would just like to add a comment about Jn’s lonely brother. I know many elderly people with family that are very lonely because that family no longer cares. That really has nothing to do with being gay or not. Also so many of his freinds are from broken families and divorce because they where forced to stay in the closet and get married because that was what they where told was right.
Luckily, I’m not really concerned with proving or disproving his point. Does he have a point, at this point? It seems to have been lost somewhere in his sermon. I’m not trying to uphold some high and mighty opinion of myself on here. Just giving my opinion. This isn’t a beauty contest and I’m not trying to win favor with you or anyone else’s opinion of what an upstanding left wing homosexual should be. It is heartwarming, however, to know that I don’t have to be worried about being called a name by someone on the ‘right’, as you say.
Vokoban-
“poor, wretched creature”…..You just proved jnjeisen’s point in an earlier post by calling him a name. Way to go, I’m noticing this as a trend. It seems like people on the “right” will give their opinion and do it in a polite and professional manner, but those that aren’t so “right” almost ALWAYS eventually resort to name calling.
‘I added comment ot this thread only to say that I thought (and still do) playing Brokeback would be a mistake in MY market.’
Valid point. Every person’s opinion should be heard. However, you went on to start a debate filled with silly statistics, religious overtones, bigotry, and nothing really to do with the issue at hand. This is about whether that theater in Utah should or should not have pulled Brokeback Mountain, not whether a majority of Americans think that gay sex is ‘normal’. You even brought your personal family problems into the mix and showed your simple-minded true colors. By the way…..what theater is it that you own?
I hope the casual reader of these posts will go back, re-read the posts and notice which side on this issue is respectful and which side resorts to personal attacks. If I offended anyone, even by unintended inferences, than I sincerely apologize.
I added comment ot this thread only to say that I thought (and still do) playing Brokeback would be a mistake in MY market.
Very well put saps. I was getting a little nauseated after jnjeisen’s last blathering litany. You handled it with a bit more finesse than what I had planned. I wouldn’t hold your breath on finding out which theater the poor, wretched creature owns.
Glad to see so many regular contributors adding thrir thoughtful comments here, unlike jnjeisen, who seems to have an agenda, movie theater owner or not. He (she?) hasn’t even commented on one theater at this site. And then uses info from the world net daily, one of the most out-there far right websites, to make his confused points. (Real life and nature itself just aren’t normal enough for him.)
Economically, every theatre that has played BBM has done extrememly well, so jn’s original arguments are a bit weak.
And so what that he loves his gay brother, the loneliest soul in town. Maybe if he did more than just “love” him (love the sinner, hate the sin?) and actually accepted and supported him, perhaps his brother’s self-esteem wouldn’t be so miserable and maybe he could have had a decent life. I know plenty of gay people with loving, supportive family, friends, partners, and yes, children. (And don’t 50% of “straight” marriages end in divorce anyway?)
It seems to me that jn should actually see Brokeback Mountain; it is a heartbreakingly sad indictment of the closet, and how such repression harms not only those in the closet, but the family, friends and loved ones of those suffering people. It truly is an eye-opener.
One last thing: civil rights in this country are not won by opinion polls. If so, we’d still have citizens forced to the back of the bus, women tied to the kitchen, bans on interracial marriage and contraception, and, yes, good men and women forced to deny themselves the right to live and love with those they choose.
And P.S. What theater does jn own? I’d love to visit its page here on Cinema Treasures.
“I just don’t like to see misinformation spread by people with prejudice”
Statements like that force me to defend myself. I am truly sorry for continuing this thread but I will not allow a statement to attack my character without responding.
Below are the COMPLETE results to the poll question conducted by the Boston Globe on May 9, 2005.
Question: What about sexual relations between two adults of the same sex?
41%-Always Wrong
35%-Never Wrong
15%-Don’t know
8%-only Sometimes
2%-Almost always wrong
I think it is safe to say that the Boston Globe is a Pro Gay,
Liberal newspaper. Even in the article accompanying the poll they
admit a similar poll conducted by another major show much different numbers but the questions were asked differently.
Just think what would have happened to me if I tried to use a “Focus on the Family” poll. It would have set off a firestorm if indignation. Look at those numbers and you can easily see that a majority of Americans believe same sex sexual relations are wrong.
Furthermore, anyone over 35 should be offended by your “skewing the numbers” comment. Is it possible that when this group was under 35 they held more liberal views and because they lived life and gained experience their views became more conservative. I happen to respect the views of those older than myself. When I need advice on important life issues I probably wont go to an enlightened 21 year old.
“Furthermore, there is much concern in the gay community over the recent trend in poll numbers which show 57% of the general population thinks sodomy is wrong and the number is climbing.”
Not to beat a dead horse, but those numbers are older than dirt. A 1998 University of Chicago study showed 58% opposed yo same sex behavior. A 2005 Boston Globe nationwide poll showed 41% opposed, so the number is falling not rising. Also, 41% still seems awfully high. I would’ve gussed about 10% to 15% were opposed to it. I think older generations are skewing the numbers as more than half of those between the ages of 18 and 34 support same sex marriage.
Anyway, this is my last word on the matter as it is a subject I truly don’t care about. I just don’t like to see misinformation spread by people with prejudice.
For being the “apex of American Stupidity”, Utah faired pretty well in the 2000 census. Compared to California, it has a much higher graduation rate, a much lower divorce rate and lower unemployment.
If I were looking to raise a family, which believe it or not really happens, looks like I choose stupid.
Who cares what Utah thinks? Remember when the Mormon Tabernacle Choir recorded the pop song “You’re Having My Baby”? (Or was that a George Carlin joke?) Nevertheless, a screenplay by Larry McMurtry based on a brilliantly dense and complex story by Annie Proulx, is nothing to ignore. (The story is in a collection of Wyoming stories by Annie titled “Close Range.” Those offended by activity on the big screen, might yet gain something valuable from “Brokeback Mountain” and the other beautifully crafted stories in the collection. She refers to the cowboy couple as “a pair of deuces going nowhere.” What’s wrong with that?
The very gay “Chicken Little”! Yes, this movie was truly horrible but I was amazed at the gay subtext and it’s not my imagination or anyone else’s. The obvious was the pig’s love of Streisand and how he became energized at the end to “I Will Survive”. Others have commented on Chicken Littles Daddy issues and such as well.
Forget the gay issue. It is wrong for a theatre to moralize content. They should let the public make that choice based on ratings and reviews. By banning this film this cinema should now be forced to justify showing HOSTEL, and all the other sex and violence Hollywood epics it has shown. That is the price you pay for entering the slippery slope of moral hypocrisy. If this had happened on the coasts we wouldn’t be so suspicious of religious fascism. It is happening just were we suspected the apex of American stupidity might lie.
Hey listen… the non Christian Darwinian view of evolution also falls apart with oral sex and masturbation as well as with heterosexual anal intercourse. Anyway… we seem to have some people here who are entrenched in their views on either side of the equation. Let’s agree to disagree and call a truce before this devolves into a regrettable exchange of hurtful words.
Here in the UK, in the London suburb of Notting Hill we have a very famous old cinema named the Coronet /theaters/1463/
It still operates screening new releases, but here is the difference, it is now owned, operated and programmed by the Kensington Temple Church…..and guess what…..the current attraction is “Broke Back Mountain”.
Yes, we really do have a free thinking open society here in the UK. Now WAKE UP AMERICA!
I love flippin' a switch with numerous positions myself my dear Scary one. But alas…I favor my hidden dragon much more than your crazy monkey.
Luv,
Me
Keep talkin boys…you argue in support of my positions better than I do.
I have to agree. Those who protest the most——-those are the ones!!
My dearest Scary Eisentwat. The words “poor wretched creature” are not more than kind, loving words when you take into account the numerous of vicious assaults that we homos are forced to endure on a re-occurring basis. I’m sorry to inform you, but we face constant eternal damnations from the fanatic right. This Devine Right points an accusing fingerâ€"never to save us really, but merely to save themselves, as if the finger making the judgment calls will distract god from their own sins. Jngayson shouldn’t jump on here with his high and almighty sword to spew his “I’m-OK-you’re-NOT-OK” drivel and not expect to be pitied for a poor wretched creature. Anybody who makes his brother an example of everything wrong with people is pretty wretched in my opinion. Regarding the topic at hand, out of all the people I know who have seen “Brokeback Mountain,” be they gay, lesbian, straight male or female, only one person had a problem with this movie. I know a closeted gay man who found this to be the most ghastly movie ever made. Not surprisingly it was much too close to home. Why else would a subject matter be so upsetting? Maybe jngayson isn’t referring to gay a brother at all—-WHOOP there it is!
Luv,
Me
PS: If the Right-Wing elite stand inside the White Pearly Gates, then douse my underoos in diesel fuel and show me the way down.
Enough already. Every theatre should play ALL films and let the individual decide if he or she wants to see it. PERIOD.
“No, I will never accept homosexuality as normal when it is going to take the life of my brother.”
Jnj, since this will be the first ever recorded case of death by homosexuality, I think we all know what name to call this.
Your brother has a good reason to hate Christians with you as a voice box and Megaplex to justify your sick lifestyle.
I would just like to add a comment about Jn’s lonely brother. I know many elderly people with family that are very lonely because that family no longer cares. That really has nothing to do with being gay or not. Also so many of his freinds are from broken families and divorce because they where forced to stay in the closet and get married because that was what they where told was right.
Luckily, I’m not really concerned with proving or disproving his point. Does he have a point, at this point? It seems to have been lost somewhere in his sermon. I’m not trying to uphold some high and mighty opinion of myself on here. Just giving my opinion. This isn’t a beauty contest and I’m not trying to win favor with you or anyone else’s opinion of what an upstanding left wing homosexual should be. It is heartwarming, however, to know that I don’t have to be worried about being called a name by someone on the ‘right’, as you say.
Vokoban-
“poor, wretched creature”…..You just proved jnjeisen’s point in an earlier post by calling him a name. Way to go, I’m noticing this as a trend. It seems like people on the “right” will give their opinion and do it in a polite and professional manner, but those that aren’t so “right” almost ALWAYS eventually resort to name calling.
‘I added comment ot this thread only to say that I thought (and still do) playing Brokeback would be a mistake in MY market.’
Valid point. Every person’s opinion should be heard. However, you went on to start a debate filled with silly statistics, religious overtones, bigotry, and nothing really to do with the issue at hand. This is about whether that theater in Utah should or should not have pulled Brokeback Mountain, not whether a majority of Americans think that gay sex is ‘normal’. You even brought your personal family problems into the mix and showed your simple-minded true colors. By the way…..what theater is it that you own?
Thanks jnjeisen. Apology accepted.
I hope the casual reader of these posts will go back, re-read the posts and notice which side on this issue is respectful and which side resorts to personal attacks. If I offended anyone, even by unintended inferences, than I sincerely apologize.
I added comment ot this thread only to say that I thought (and still do) playing Brokeback would be a mistake in MY market.
Very well put saps. I was getting a little nauseated after jnjeisen’s last blathering litany. You handled it with a bit more finesse than what I had planned. I wouldn’t hold your breath on finding out which theater the poor, wretched creature owns.
Glad to see so many regular contributors adding thrir thoughtful comments here, unlike jnjeisen, who seems to have an agenda, movie theater owner or not. He (she?) hasn’t even commented on one theater at this site. And then uses info from the world net daily, one of the most out-there far right websites, to make his confused points. (Real life and nature itself just aren’t normal enough for him.)
Economically, every theatre that has played BBM has done extrememly well, so jn’s original arguments are a bit weak.
And so what that he loves his gay brother, the loneliest soul in town. Maybe if he did more than just “love” him (love the sinner, hate the sin?) and actually accepted and supported him, perhaps his brother’s self-esteem wouldn’t be so miserable and maybe he could have had a decent life. I know plenty of gay people with loving, supportive family, friends, partners, and yes, children. (And don’t 50% of “straight” marriages end in divorce anyway?)
It seems to me that jn should actually see Brokeback Mountain; it is a heartbreakingly sad indictment of the closet, and how such repression harms not only those in the closet, but the family, friends and loved ones of those suffering people. It truly is an eye-opener.
One last thing: civil rights in this country are not won by opinion polls. If so, we’d still have citizens forced to the back of the bus, women tied to the kitchen, bans on interracial marriage and contraception, and, yes, good men and women forced to deny themselves the right to live and love with those they choose.
And P.S. What theater does jn own? I’d love to visit its page here on Cinema Treasures.
“I just don’t like to see misinformation spread by people with prejudice”
Statements like that force me to defend myself. I am truly sorry for continuing this thread but I will not allow a statement to attack my character without responding.
Below are the COMPLETE results to the poll question conducted by the Boston Globe on May 9, 2005.
Question: What about sexual relations between two adults of the same sex?
41%-Always Wrong
35%-Never Wrong
15%-Don’t know
8%-only Sometimes
2%-Almost always wrong
I think it is safe to say that the Boston Globe is a Pro Gay,
Liberal newspaper. Even in the article accompanying the poll they
admit a similar poll conducted by another major show much different numbers but the questions were asked differently.
Just think what would have happened to me if I tried to use a “Focus on the Family” poll. It would have set off a firestorm if indignation. Look at those numbers and you can easily see that a majority of Americans believe same sex sexual relations are wrong.
Furthermore, anyone over 35 should be offended by your “skewing the numbers” comment. Is it possible that when this group was under 35 they held more liberal views and because they lived life and gained experience their views became more conservative. I happen to respect the views of those older than myself. When I need advice on important life issues I probably wont go to an enlightened 21 year old.
“Furthermore, there is much concern in the gay community over the recent trend in poll numbers which show 57% of the general population thinks sodomy is wrong and the number is climbing.”
Not to beat a dead horse, but those numbers are older than dirt. A 1998 University of Chicago study showed 58% opposed yo same sex behavior. A 2005 Boston Globe nationwide poll showed 41% opposed, so the number is falling not rising. Also, 41% still seems awfully high. I would’ve gussed about 10% to 15% were opposed to it. I think older generations are skewing the numbers as more than half of those between the ages of 18 and 34 support same sex marriage.
Anyway, this is my last word on the matter as it is a subject I truly don’t care about. I just don’t like to see misinformation spread by people with prejudice.
Let’s try to keep this on the issue at hand….what’s next, a discussion of the famous secret Mormon underwear?
For being the “apex of American Stupidity”, Utah faired pretty well in the 2000 census. Compared to California, it has a much higher graduation rate, a much lower divorce rate and lower unemployment.
If I were looking to raise a family, which believe it or not really happens, looks like I choose stupid.
Who cares what Utah thinks? Remember when the Mormon Tabernacle Choir recorded the pop song “You’re Having My Baby”? (Or was that a George Carlin joke?) Nevertheless, a screenplay by Larry McMurtry based on a brilliantly dense and complex story by Annie Proulx, is nothing to ignore. (The story is in a collection of Wyoming stories by Annie titled “Close Range.” Those offended by activity on the big screen, might yet gain something valuable from “Brokeback Mountain” and the other beautifully crafted stories in the collection. She refers to the cowboy couple as “a pair of deuces going nowhere.” What’s wrong with that?
Grow up, Utah, or not. Who, I repeat, cares?
The very gay “Chicken Little”! Yes, this movie was truly horrible but I was amazed at the gay subtext and it’s not my imagination or anyone else’s. The obvious was the pig’s love of Streisand and how he became energized at the end to “I Will Survive”. Others have commented on Chicken Littles Daddy issues and such as well.
Forget the gay issue. It is wrong for a theatre to moralize content. They should let the public make that choice based on ratings and reviews. By banning this film this cinema should now be forced to justify showing HOSTEL, and all the other sex and violence Hollywood epics it has shown. That is the price you pay for entering the slippery slope of moral hypocrisy. If this had happened on the coasts we wouldn’t be so suspicious of religious fascism. It is happening just were we suspected the apex of American stupidity might lie.
I agree with John, but at least the truth came out. It’s personal issues that bring forth the fire and brimstone. Peace out.
What does any of this have to do with theatrical exhibition.
And who hasn’t fallen prey to a sinful temptation every now and again?
Hey listen… the non Christian Darwinian view of evolution also falls apart with oral sex and masturbation as well as with heterosexual anal intercourse. Anyway… we seem to have some people here who are entrenched in their views on either side of the equation. Let’s agree to disagree and call a truce before this devolves into a regrettable exchange of hurtful words.