Lafayette Theatre

97 Lafayette Avenue,
Suffern, NY 10901

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movieguy
movieguy on February 17, 2016 at 12:51 pm

No word yet on the titles for the classic film series. Generally it begins in mid April. As soon as I find out information I will be able to post it

mdvoskin
mdvoskin on February 17, 2016 at 11:27 am

> They (Bardavon) have a fully functioning 35 MM platter projector.

At this point, many of the studios and many collectors will not permit their prints of classic films to be played on platters. Platters require the head/tail leaders to be removed so that the entire feature can be assembled into one huge roll of film. Platters have a reputation, possibly undeserved, for damaging prints.

If you include east of the Hudson as in this area, in addition to the Bardavon, their is the Tarrytown Music Hall, the Alamo Draft House (Yonkers), Jacob Burns (Pleasantville) that have 35mm capability.

As too renting a theatre for a public screening, normally you are charge a flat rate rental fee for the theatre. If you have the theatre book the film, you will probably be charged an additional booking fee plus any advance “guarantee” charges from the films distributor. You will be required to pay this in advance. The theatre, as part of the rental, will provide staffing. If you want your show on the marquee, you need to specify that when renting. You are responsible for all advertising. If the showing(s) gross more than the pre-paid guarantee, the percentages kick in with the distributor. You get the percentage that the distributor does not. The theatre should not take a cut of your boxoffice. You will not get a cut of the concession.

Neither myself nor (as far as I know) movieguy works for the Lafayette Theatre. As movieguy suggests, you should call the venues you are considering during operating hours to compare rental pricing.

bolorkay
bolorkay on February 17, 2016 at 11:07 am

Any word on what the Spring Classics program might have to offer?

movieguy
movieguy on February 17, 2016 at 10:39 am

The BAMF Mountain Film Festival WILL take place place Feb 23rd and Feb 24th 2016 at 7:00 pm. Tickets can be purchased in advance for $20. At Ramsey outdoor RT 17 New Jersey. 201-327-8141. Day of show tickets will be $23 It’s been a sellout in years past so let’s make it two sold out dates

Sam83
Sam83 on February 16, 2016 at 6:20 pm

jovanderlee, good info on the Bardavon 1869 opera house. Very historic and a gem like the Lafayette theater.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 16, 2016 at 6:06 pm

I know theaters can be rented out for private showing. But I would like to rent one out and show a classic movie commercially. Lafayette theater would have been perfect if it still had 35 mm capabilities. But if the movie I would like to show is available in DCP from a 35 mm transfer, that may work out too. Might be a good way to get more classic movie showings in the region. Not sure if it is even feasible without losing money

jovanderlee
jovanderlee on February 16, 2016 at 5:53 pm

About 45 min. North East of Suffern is the Bardavon 1869 opera house in Poughkeepsie. They have a fully functioning 35 MM platter projector. They also have DCP mostly used for High Def broadcasts. Lately they have been using mostly digital format for their classic movie series which is only about 6 times a year. They also have a major sponsor that holds the price to $6. The bar and candy counter also help out. But NO FOOD allowed in the theater. Of course they are a different operation with full stage capabilities and mucho sponsors. Renting it is not impossible, but costly. The Exec. Director is a genius at fund raising and keeping the place in the black. I think he continually squeezes out every available dollar at both the State and the Federal level, since the Board registering the Theatre as a National Historic Site, and being a not for profit corporation. He also purchased another theater in Kingston – further up the line, about 10? years back. It is doing well too – same modus operandus. AND we have the original Wurlitzer pipe organ! I am its curator. We’re also home to the Hudson Valley Philharmonic. This year’s fund raiser features ‘Santana’. Tickets start at $125. Come visit some time!

movieguy
movieguy on February 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm

Inquiries regarding the cost of renting the theater can be made by calling the theater line when you get a representative. 845-547-2120 during theater operating hours. Beginning at 6 PM weekdays Monday through Thursday. Also 6 PM on Fridays. From noon to 10pm Saturday and Sundays.

Email can also be sent regarding theatre rental inquiries. Or other questions regarding the classic series or any other upcoming special events like the Banff Mountain film Festival the Jewish film Festival wild and scenic film festival on Earth Day

Sam83
Sam83 on February 16, 2016 at 3:25 pm

On average, how expensive would it be to rent the theater where the theater would do all the needful (the booking, showing, admitting, etc). I guess in this case, the individual will get the full cut of box office sales after the studio percentage.

movieguy
movieguy on February 16, 2016 at 3:20 pm

The theater can be rented out. I know a couple rented it out for their anniversary and watched a few movies presented on the big screen. Most likely it was a Blu-ray movie and not a DCP. The 35mm sound heads are off-line . They could be connected again and film could feasibly be run. But that have to get someone who is it an experienced projectionist and knows how to run the projector. It’s harder now fo they could be connected again and film could feasibly be run. But that have to get someone who is it an experienced projectionist and knows how to run the projector. It’s harder to get prints from the studios now. I know even Pete was having trouble getting everything he wanted in the final spring season 2013

mdvoskin
mdvoskin on February 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm

The Landmark Loews Jersey in Jersey City still runs 35mm as their format of choice for their monthly classic film series. This coming Friday/Saturday they are running 12 Monkeys, Sullivan’s Travels, and Arsenic and Old Lace, all in 35mm. They do occasionally run Blurays, but they actively try to avoid them. However you should note, the Loews Jersey is an arts center, not a first run movie theatre. It is available for rentals, and they will assist you in booking 35mm prints, but renting the theatre (or any theatre) is rather expensive.

The Union County Arts Center in Rahway, the old RKO Rahway Theatre, still has 35mm capability, but they rarely use it.

As far as I know, those are the only 2 venues in this area west of the Hudson that still can run 35mm.

As far as free admission for seniors for the classic film series, the town of Ramapo purchased the $80k (or more) digital projector for the theatre, and up through last fall was paying for the cost of renting the film prints for the classics in return for letting the seniors in for free. The theatre got the better end of that deal.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on February 16, 2016 at 3:05 pm

Sure: In New Jersey: the Loews Jersey, the Union County Arts Center (pretty sure they still have it), the Count Basie in Red Bank, probably some others I can’t recall. In NY: MoMA, the AMMI in Queens, the Film Forum, the Walter Reade at Lincoln Center, the DGA, a few others.

Most places will do rentals, but you have to factor in the cost of the venue rental plus the film rental. And you wouldn’t get a cut of concessions.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 16, 2016 at 2:13 pm

Pete, any other theaters in the area that you know that may still have 35 MM projection capabilities that can show classic movies on 35 MM? Not sure if you saw my post to movieguy but you think an individual can rent & show a classic movie at a theater on 35MM? Not sure what his/her chance would be at making any profit but if everyone needs to pay, maybe he/she has a good chance of at least breaking even.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 16, 2016 at 2:01 pm

I saw Jaws last year at Lafayette and I am sure it was DVD or Blu-Ray. Picture quality was ok but not great – more like watching a slightly faded 35 mm film. I saw GhostBusters at Lowes when they re-released it for 1 week as part of its anniversary. I’m sure it was DCP but the picture quality was again faded. Studio must have taken the blu-ray and put it on DCP since it was a limited 1 week run. Sad.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on February 16, 2016 at 1:14 pm

Yes, DCP is the current theatrical standard (that’s how all new films are distributed). DCPs for classic films should look better than the Blu-ray edition since the DCP has no picture compression applied, but there are some studios who simply take an already compressed Blu-ray file and put it on a DCP hard drive.

I projected Blu-ray when I was there and it looks pretty good as long as you’re not sitting very close. DVD doesn’t hold up that large at all and was really only suitable for the shorts and trailers I occasionally ran from it.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 16, 2016 at 1:08 pm

Pete, digital presentation on DCP is different from showing the movie from a DVD or blu-ray, correct? I assume DCP is the digital equivalent of 35 mm film in terms of quality. Even though Blu-ray is high-definition, I don’t think it has enough picture quality/resolution to be shown on the big screen without losing picture quality.

PeterApruzzese
PeterApruzzese on February 16, 2016 at 12:43 pm

As far as I know, the Lafayette no longer has operating 35mm equipment so you’ll most likely never see another film presentation there. When we left in 2013, the gear was in fine shape, but subsequent changes in the booth have placed it out of commission – I would assume permanently – as the cost of restoring it after sitting idle for several years and finding a qualified projectionist to run special shows would be prohibitive.

Cost for booking classic films varies depending on the studio, but the minimum usually starts around $350 (for studio supplied DCP, running a Blu-ray or DVD costs a little less as those are usually not booked by the studio’s theatrical department). And that’s an upfront guarantee (paid in advance before the movie is delivered) against 35-45% of the box office. So figure you need about 125 paid admissions at $9 each just to break even on the film cost. Then factor in labor, utilities, etc., and you can see why there isn’t much of anything to be made running classic movies. Concessions contribute a bit to the theatre’s bottom line during these shows, but the free admission seniors rarely purchased anything.

Even the Horror-Thon weekends usually did not break even, sad to say.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 15, 2016 at 10:49 pm

Can someone confirm if “Jaws” shown at Lafayette theater in the summer was shown from a DVD or Blu-ray? I recall seeing the FBI warning/Main Menu on the theater screen before the movie started. Just want to make sure.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 15, 2016 at 10:47 pm

movieguy, if a theater goer would really like to have a classic film shown, do you think it is possible for him/her to rent the theater (or something of the kind) and have the theater obtain a 35MM or DCP and show it where the individual shares the cost of the showing and will get a percentage of the profits? Not sure if this is even possible or if the individual even has a remote chance to make any profit. LOL. Events like this can bring more revenue to the theater.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 15, 2016 at 10:32 pm

It is ok if they want to keep the free admission for seniors. But I recall when the Classic series had specials like the horror-thon where everyone had to pay. Perhaps the theater can run a set of special screenings outside of the Classic series this spring where everyone pays.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 15, 2016 at 10:29 pm

movieguy, do you work for Lafayette theater? Sorry if you already posted this before but I haven’t checked the board in a while. Thanks

movieguy
movieguy on February 15, 2016 at 9:51 pm

Problem with showing any of the Star Wars films. Disney will absolutely not let any of them shown. Phil tried to get the original three shown before they showed episode seven. Dysney will not let any of them be shown in theaters. Lord of the rings I’m not sure about that there very long. 35 mm is costly. Harder now to get prints from the studios. Most likely will not happen DCP’s would be better. But again they’re almost as costly as showing a film. $500 or more. I’ll have to look into when they will start to pick the films the classic series. I don’t think they want to eliminate the free admission for the seniors.

Sam83
Sam83 on February 15, 2016 at 9:41 pm

Here are my thoughts on reviving the classic series and making it profitable. – Everyone pays admission (maybe offer discount like $7 for seniors) – Movies need to be shown from either 35MM or DCP (no DVD/Blu ray). – Choose classic movies that will have high attendance. Notice when they show unknown movies, the attendence is very low. But certain movies (like the James Bond films) had high attendance. Choose the classic movies in high demand. – Classic series can also show movies from 80s, 90s, or 2000s that are classic and really require the big screen to enjoy it. I would think if Lafayette were to show the original Star Wars movies, it would be a full house. Lord of the Rings trilogy can also bring a lot of folks.

movieguy
movieguy on February 15, 2016 at 9:34 pm

I’ll have to check on the exact numbers. I thought that they have to pay $300 to show a classic film. As well as take a fee but it could be either or. I’ll have to check

Sam83
Sam83 on February 15, 2016 at 9:31 pm

Movieguy, do you think when Lafayette shows a classic film, the studio requires a certain fee upfront (such as $500) in addition to 30% of the box office sales? I thought it was more like 50/50 – where for each movie, the studio gets 50% of the sales while the theater gets 50% with no fee upfront.