Radio City Music Hall

1260 6th Avenue,
New York, NY 10020

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Vito
Vito on July 6, 2005 at 6:01 am

Oh and how Rob, remeinds me of the fab 50s when we had a new projection toy to play with every other month or so.
As for IMAX, it sure is catching on, especially with the new
DMR (digital remastering technology, now any movie can be converted to IMAX.) Warners has really taken that ball and run with it, audiences are eating up the IMAX version of “Batman Begins” and the new “Harry Potter” will open in IMAX in November. I did not know Lucas had decided tp take the IMAX plunge, I remember hearing talk about it but nothing concreate, that’s good news! We also have a new exciting IMAX 3-D projesct opening in September called, Magnificent
Desolation: Walking on the Moon" with never before seen NASA footage.
So if all good things from the past come back to greet us, when can we look forward to the return of movies and a stage show at RCMH?
Yeah I know, times have changed and that would not work anymore.
But I had to say it anyway :))

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on July 6, 2005 at 5:36 am

Vito: As the expession goes: “Everything old is new again”. The success of IMAX 3-D is reviving the process. Last week Disney, Dolby and ILM announced that they will be installing digital 3-D in 100 theatres for the release of “Chicken Little” in November, and Lucas has announced plans to re-release the “Star Wars” series in 3-D. Check last Sunday’s “Arts & Leisure” section of the New York Times for a front page article on some of the new 3-D projects in the works. I guess if we stick around long enough we meet our past coming back to greet us!

Vito
Vito on July 6, 2005 at 4:41 am

Rob, confusing does not even begin to describe it. Thanks for that info, I had forgotten about the side by side version. Although the frame lines on the “over/under” prints were fairly easy to distinguish, I heard of projectionists making splicing errors using the thin frame line between left eye / right eye and the actual frame line. I also remember the alignment of the two images was made easy by a loop we would run that would guide us through the superimposing of the left/right image by the turn of two thumbscrews on the 3-D attachment lens. I always thought the poloroid 3-D single print looked pretty good. I also remember the two print version of the 50s which was quite a bit better of course, that was also my first experience with 6k reels. There were however a lot of problems with the interlocking and print damage (safety film ya gotta love it)
Audiences got tired of the glasses and projection problems and so
3-D did not last very long. That red and green 3-D you see now and then today (spy kids) is dreadful, but I like the 70mm IMAX 3-D. Have you seen that baby in action?, two platters feeding the two 3-D prints to the IMAX projector at high speed is very scary to see.

Vito
Vito on July 6, 2005 at 4:09 am

Yes Warren I would agree, it had to be the Roxy. Nothing Knef said, other than the chorus girls kicking, sounded like RCMH.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on July 6, 2005 at 4:08 am

Vito: You’re right — we (at least those of us who have been around for a while) refer to anything non-anamorphic as “Flat” and anamorphic prints as “Scope”. That terminology has even been carried over to film cans and leaders in many cases. I did want to add to one of your comments about single strip 3-D made on one of the other theatre sites. There were two kinds of single strip 3-D films in wide release. You mentioned the “over/under” variation used for wide aspect ratio films such as “Andy Warhol’s Frankenstein” and Arch Obler’s “The Bubble”. (Talk about blurring distinctions: even though those films had an aspect ratio similar to “Scope” technically they were flat.) The 3-D attachment superimposed the upper two-perf portion of the image over the bottom portion. With films made in the 1.37 ratio such as “House of Wax” and “The Stewardesses” the image, although “Flat” was actually two anamorphic images side by side with a slightly reduced frame height on the film. The 3-D attachment was in line with the anamorphic lens and put one of the images over the other. The 70mm 3-D release of “House of Wax” wouldn’t have been anamorphic since there was room on the frame to put to “Flat” images side by side. Sure gets confusing doesn’t it?

Gerald A. DeLuca
Gerald A. DeLuca on July 6, 2005 at 4:07 am

You could be absolutely right. It was just my first reaction. I wish she had named the place. It’s an evocative description, though, and I may re-post it on the Roxy page.

Gerald A. DeLuca
Gerald A. DeLuca on July 6, 2005 at 2:26 am

In her autobiography The Gift Horse, German-born actress Hildegard Knef recalls her arrival in and time spent in the United States shortly after World War II and being offered a Hollywood studio contract. Here she describes a visit to what must have been Radio City Music Hall:

“The packed movie house is a cross between the public baths and a set for an operetta, between a temple and a railway station; in the balcony they’re making love, smoking, and chewing brown-white balloons of absorbent cotton from cardboard cartons; they run in and out during the film, during the stage show, whistle like crazy when the chorus girls kick their legs, jitterbug in the aisles; girls with mottled frozen legs sticking out of tennis shoes and white ankle socks squeak and faint, crawl about among the flower boxes on the front of the stage, cry with the crooner who’s singing something in Spanish. Now there’s a preview: a bulldog face bursting out of a German officer’s uniform barks orders in English; behind him there’s a swastika hanging the wrong way round; on comes a soldier in an SS jacket and an SA cap, clicks his heels and yells ‘Donner and Blitzen,’ ‘Jawoll!’ and ‘Heil die Führer!’ The reclining couples break apart and join the stalls in a chorus of boos.”

Vito
Vito on July 5, 2005 at 8:24 am

Ok guys it’s time for the old man to have his say.
In November of 1952, “Bwana Devil”, the first commercial 3-D movie opened. That’s when we started calling 2-D films “Flat”.
Then in September 1953, CinemaScope came along and things got a little interesting, not everyone played “The Robe” in CinemaScope, there was a Flat version as well. We started labeling all
non-anamorphic prints flat, and all anamorphic prints scope, and it is still that way today. In the booth there was (is) no Panavision, Technorama, WarnerScope or what have you, every anamorphic print is scope, plan and simple. The only variation in the 50s was SuperScope
which required a different aperature plate, we labled those
RKO-scope. Some of the B'way houses filed special aperature plates and set maskings for some of the different anamorphic processes, but it was still Scope. Rob Endres, anything to add?

RobertR
RobertR on July 5, 2005 at 7:09 am

Thanks Gerald, all the years I worked in the biz we called it Cinemascope no matter which process it was filmed in. SHESH

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on July 5, 2005 at 6:25 am

Or whether the lens is made by Bausch and Lomb or by Panavision!

Gerald A. DeLuca
Gerald A. DeLuca on July 5, 2005 at 3:46 am

Most anamorphic (squeezed-image) wide-screen processes tend to be referred to as CinemaScope or ‘Scope by film-buffs. I do it all the time. I admit it’s not precise, but it suggests to the user a generic characteristic, as do the words Kleenex or Xerox…whether the tissue is really a Kleenex or not or the copier is in fact made by Xerox.

ErikH
ErikH on July 4, 2005 at 4:20 pm

Regarding major hits in the final years of the stage/show program at RCMH: I remember ads for “The Sunshine Boys” in the NY Times promoting it as the biggest hit in the history of RCMH. “The Sunshine Boys” was, I believe, RCMH’s Christmas attraction in 1975.

JakeGittes
JakeGittes on July 4, 2005 at 4:04 pm

If you grew up in NY you have fond memories of Radio City. The Music Hall wasn’t always surrounded by the office buildings that shadow it today. In the 60’s if you didn’t pay top dollar , Balcony, you might have to wait several hours for admisssion to the Christmas or Easter shows. If it was very cold my dad would run across with one of the kids to Horn & Hardarts or Whelan Drugs to get a hot chocolate. Big films I remeber waiting on line for – don’t laugh – “Airport”. “That Darn Cat”, “Follow Me Boys”, “True Grit”, and “the Cowboys”. The last movie with John Wayne is the last I remember seeing at the Music Hall. For the trivia buffs, “Cowboys” is one of the few films the Duke dies in at the end.

RobertR
RobertR on July 4, 2005 at 3:46 pm

I remember this from Christmas of 1977
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RobertR
RobertR on July 4, 2005 at 3:09 pm

I may be the only one, but I enjoyed this movie and stage show and went back to see it a second time
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RobertR
RobertR on July 4, 2005 at 1:50 pm

I’m sorry I never saw this at the Music Hall the Cinemascope must have been very flattering to both Mrs Burton and The Big Sur locations.
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RobertR
RobertR on July 4, 2005 at 7:15 am

Here is a teaser ad from when “Where the Boys Are” was about to open at the Music Hall.

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RobertR
RobertR on July 1, 2005 at 5:41 pm

Radio City had the distinction of being the only theatre showing this in color. Video projection was still in its infancy.

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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on June 30, 2005 at 6:02 am

When I worked there in ‘76 a ticket seller(she had worked the Strand during The Sea Hawk which she said was intense) told me that Odd Couple was the last film where the work was non stop. One of the old gentlemen(he had been a Roxy usher-his photo is in the Best Remaining Seats where all the ushers are on stage) said there were as many people the last day of the run as on the first.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on June 30, 2005 at 5:52 am

I think “Airport” in 1970 may have been the last really big hit to
play the Hall. I believe “Scrooge” did really well there too, later that year.

chconnol
chconnol on June 30, 2005 at 5:48 am

Intersting stuff above. “Barefoot in the Park” is a classic. It’s amazing how often it’s shown on TV (I have one of those cable systems with what appears to be 500 channels and my wife and I joke around that it’s like there’s a “Barefoot in the Park” channel…all Barefoot, 24 hours a day…it’s on that much). Great movie…should never, EVER be remade. The original too’s perfect.

Question: what was the last genuine hit film to play at the Hall? Was it “The Odd Couple”?

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on June 30, 2005 at 5:31 am

Barefoot in the Park is one of those bright technicolor New York 60’s comedies that I would have given anything to see at the Hall.
Redford and Fonda are talented and sexy beyond belief. Glad to hear the stage show was good too. Others I wish I had seen there are How to Succeed and the Odd Couple.
The success though of Barefoot seems to have precipitated the strike that occurred shortly after the opening of Up the Down Staircase in August. Reducing the stage show to just the symphony orchestra and singers from what I gather. At least the Hall had one good movie left for the year in Wait Until Dark.
Then the Hall had only two good movies in ‘68- Odd Couple and Bullitt and one in '69- True Grit. Goodbye you wonderful old Hollywood Studio era.

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on June 30, 2005 at 5:24 am

Bill Huelbig— I missed seeing that one, there or anywhere. Over the next year, I’ll post on this site whatever I’ve got.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on June 30, 2005 at 4:53 am

Thanks BOB for the “Barefoot in the Park” program. I saw it there in 1967 also, but I lost my program over the years. Do you have the one for “The Odd Couple” as well?

BoxOfficeBill
BoxOfficeBill on June 30, 2005 at 4:47 am

Here’s a Program from August ‘67. If you want to read the fine print, after you click on the URL you must click the image itself so that it enlarges on your screen. I’m sorry that a print-out won’t be so clear.

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This show had broken RCMH’s box-office records to date and so, in the last days of its twelve-week run, I decided to see what all the fuss was about. The exuberance of both the screen and stage fare pulverized my skepticismâ€"it provided a real bounce, a spirited lift-me-up, a tiramisù. Iris Bala was a soprano with the NY City Opera, and the Alcettys composed a German acrobat team, but it was the athleticism of the Cowboy Balletâ€"a fleet and funny crowd pleaserâ€"that really wowed me. Great stuff.

It’s a nice touch that Programs in the late ‘60s provided the name of the Head Projectionist, a detail that I don’t recall from those of earlier or subsequent periods.