DuPage Theater

109 S. Main Street,
Lombard, IL 60148

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melders
melders on July 25, 2005 at 3:29 pm

Also, I am not in any way connected to the “Friends” group, I am not even from the area. I just mentioned the big box store, because I have seen other towns and cities destroy landmarks for those stores.

melders
melders on July 25, 2005 at 3:26 pm

If the library is built on this site, will they attempt to save at least the facade?

DMS
DMS on July 25, 2005 at 1:45 pm

Another reason for putting the use of this property on a ballot is because it was “gifted” to the village 6 years ago. Not to the Friends of the theatre but the entire village. That’s a good enough reason for a referendum in my opinion. Then we would all have to live with what the majority decides and move on.

FYI – I don’t support the before mentioned convention center either. All these things put our over-taxed residents at risk.

DMS
DMS on July 25, 2005 at 7:17 am

Melders- For a lot of residents it’s more than the height, there are other code variances that will be detrimental to neighbors but also the financing is a huge issue, more than the TIF dollars. Instead of renovating the theater for a fixed price, their plan says if restoration goes over budget by more than 12%, we the taxpayers will have to cover it. To a lot of folks that’s unacceptable, TIF is one thing but we don’t want to be left opened to overruns as well. It’s a bad plan – the building is giant and will encroah on neighbors, the financing is very shaky. The village board’s job is to protect it’s residents and that’s exactly what they’re doing. If there was a better way to develop this property, it would have surfaced in 6 years of waiting. The only way to cover massive restoration costs is to attach a massive structure as they had planned to. There are so many other problems, I could go on and on. Will these “luxury” condos sell? If you knew Lombard you’d know many of our new condos are empty and 2 new buildings are in construction in close proximity. Phase 2 of their restoration of the theatre relies on their new condos being sold. What if they don’t? Will the proposed use of the theatre as a cultural arts venue be booked regularly? I did some research on neighboring towns with these types of arts centers and they often sit empty for a month or 2 at a time. The way this plan is drawn up, that too will end up being a burden to the village. There are a lot of risks for our residents, the question is how much is too much? You must look at the bigger picture and what is best for our entire town. I’ve always felt that any use of this property should also be on a referendum for voters to decide. The preservation group never initiated that and did fight an effort to put a theatre issue on a ballot years ago. They claim they didn’t like the way it was worded, my answer is why, since then , have they not initiated another one? Even this plan? Then the majority could decide? I think the only answer must be that they don’t feel they have the votes. Now it’s too late because it won’t be on a ballot until a year from November and that will be too late for this particular plan.

Finally, you mentioned we may get a “big box store” or something similar. That is a scare tactic often used by the theatre supporters in our town. My answer is this. The board has proven they are not going to put anything too big for the parcel there. Also – we are desperately in need of a new library in our town. There is a group of residents who will lobby for that site to be used as such, perhaps with some retail attached. Now the library itself will not be a tax generating entity but the costs of construction will go down millions because we already own the land. Also – unlike the theatre, it will definitely go to a referendum and the people will decide. The library tried years ago to devise a way in which they could renovate the theatre and incorporate it into their new library – unfortunately, the theatre costs too many millions to restore, not feasible. The theatre group will say that the voters already voted down a multi million dollar renovation of our current library why would they support this? Well the library polled voters after their referendum failed. Most answered they didn’t like the fact that millions would have to be spent on a temporary facilty while renovation took place. That would be alleviated by building a new library at a different site.

It comes down to this – if supporters think this plan will be so beneficial to Lombard why didn’t they put it on a ballot? I think even naysayers like me would have been happy just knowing that it was the majority of residents that made the decision, not just preservation group and their developer. Fair enough?

melders
melders on July 25, 2005 at 12:03 am

Neighbor, which will hurt this neighborhood more, one more stories of condos or the destruction of this theater? Chances are this theater will be replaced with a big box store, and one of those won’t fit in with the neighborhood either. Perhaps at least the facade of the theater will be saved.

DMS
DMS on July 23, 2005 at 10:43 am

Incidentally Mr. Fields – you should definitely speak to those who are NOT in favor of preserving the theater unless it can be with mostly private funds and within village building codes. I’ll be in touch. As far as gaining access to the building for your documentary, I wouldn’t count on it. The structure is in pretty bad shape. The preservation group’s own developer said it needed to be “stabilized”. The village even needed to remove a whole row of public parking spaces in the adjacent lot because of falling bricks and debris. I’m not sure they would let you in due to liability issues but you can try. It’s a shame that the previous owner neglected it for so many years and let it get that bad.

DMS
DMS on July 23, 2005 at 7:55 am

Melders- The theatre has been sitting vacant for 13 years. The last 6 years it has been owned by the village and they agreed to give those years to the preservation society to raise private funds. The only interested party was this current developer who has proposed not only using millions of our towns TIF dollars but attaching a huge condo building (5 stories) that would have needed to exceed many local building codes that are in place to protect neighboring homeowners. There are many in my town that are against this development plan. The developer won’t reduce the size (from 5 stories to 4 that are legal)because he won’t make enough money with 4 stories. We have nothing against the theatre being privately redeveloped per say but we won’t sacrifice our neighborhoods and downtown to save it either. Meanwhile all these years the village is losing tax revenue from this prime piece of property. Money that our schools desperately need. The village governement has been more than fair and they are supported by a number of residents.

melders
melders on July 23, 2005 at 12:03 am

I would like to add one more comment. I do not live in Lombard, and I do not blame the city for not wanting to spend that much money. I just do not see the need to rush into tearing down the theater.

melders
melders on July 22, 2005 at 11:57 pm

And yes fiscal I might be that naive. And if you ever saw my lawn you would see why I am not scared of an old abondoned car, it would fit right in. I just wish where I live I had something as majestic as the DuPage.

melders
melders on July 22, 2005 at 11:51 pm

Yes Dave I must agree with you. Here I go trying to add some words of wisdom and he goes off trying to threaten me. Well I am not scared of an old abandoned car. It seems to me that Fiscal must have some sort of investment riding on the destruction of this theater. I just hope that someone with some sense has read my words, since fiscal is obviously insane.

jim
jim on July 22, 2005 at 5:39 pm

My name is Jim Fields and I’m an independent filmmaker from Omaha, Nebraska. Currently, I’m making a documentary called, “Preserve Me a Seat,” which is about historic movie theaters and the people who try to save them from getting torn down. I’m coming to Lombard next Friday/Saturday to film interviews and footage of the Dupage Theater and the controversy over whether or not it should be saved. If anyone here would like to be interviewed for the movie, please contact me at: or call me at (402) 212-3424. You can also contact Deb Dynako who is helping me put together people to interview. Finally, I’ve been calling the Village of Lombard city offices to get permission to film inside the theatre, but only get recording machines and no return calls. If anyone can help me get inside the theatre, then that would be great. I look forward to meeting/interviewing regular readers of this site who want their opinions on historic preservation/saving the Dupage to be a part of my movie. Thanks!
Jim

Dave1954
Dave1954 on July 22, 2005 at 2:00 pm

I’ve come to realize that “fiscal insanity” is ONE BIG JERK…..he has GOT to have a financial/investment connection to that part of town to be so enthused in tearing it down for another strip mall in the boring burbs. How much $$$ he has on spec is known only to him and his cohorts who delight in demolishing key structures of our past. I’d like to know just how he knows that it’s not structurally sound. Is he (or she) an expert? A building inspector? He sounds like a bully and an interloper who I wonder WHY wants to be heard on a website that encourages saving/rstoring/and adaptive reuse of historic buildings all over the USA? This “person” won’t even use their real name. A SAD and anonymous AND frightened bully at that
too. Maybe a live debate would smoke him/her out of hiding?

tm30
tm30 on July 22, 2005 at 1:13 pm

Melders – thank you for that note of genius. I’m going to park a beat-up car up on blocks in front of your house and leave it there for a few years.

And no, the theatre is not structurally sound, hence the high price of renovation.

A renovated old theatre is great when people who can make money on it are willing to put their investment dollars in it. One would think some sort of Chicago-based foundation for the Arts would be leading the way on this, raising money to protect the DuPage Theatre since it’s so indispensible according to everyone. No one who would have a vested interest in this project wants to do it except for the developers who can turn a quick profit on the development and leave us holding the bag in a few years when they suddenly stop putting $100,000 into the kitty.

Come on – are you that naive?

DebDynako
DebDynako on July 21, 2005 at 2:23 pm

Here is a more positive article from the Daily Herald:

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DebDynako
DebDynako on July 19, 2005 at 3:02 pm

Regarding the Tribune article. We never acknowledged that we had no legal recourse. We acknowledged that if the Village Board rejects the state and federal grants of $1.3 million, that the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency can only act as an advocate for the DuPage Theatre. My own quote, clearly taken out of context, meant to convey that.

Don’t give up hope. We’re fighting the good fight. And we’d like to thank all on this site for your words of support.

Dave1954
Dave1954 on July 17, 2005 at 3:11 pm

Thank You melders for your wise words. Everybody should just STOP and THINK about this whole issue calmly and with an unbiased mind.
An investment for the future and a respect for its' past says it right.Once it’s gone it’s gone. Another part of Lombard’s past that could have been saved!

melders
melders on July 16, 2005 at 10:59 pm

It seems to me that Fiscal Insanity (or whatever the name he choses to use today) is the insane one. If the city is not willing to put up the money, why don’t they just leave the theater alone. If it is structurally sound, it will still be there in a few years. After all, the theater most likey contains asbestos so demolition will be costly. A renovated old theater shows that a city has some sort of civic pride and that they repect there past. Just because the city restores an old theater does not mean they are holding onto their past, they are also investing in the future.

rroberts
rroberts on July 5, 2005 at 1:27 pm

Fiscal Insanity you are on to something. How about keeping the theatre AND add your library concept? On the lot to the south build a three level parking garage/library with retail on the first floor. Perhaps build a a few “market rate” townhomes on top of the parking garage. No tax dollars spent, city sells property to developer, “as is,” get library grants…more? Call (630) 480-3345.

Broan
Broan on July 5, 2005 at 12:12 pm

So you’re saying a library, drawing no tax dollars whatsoever, with the same retail/condo mix as the theatre plan, which would generate revenue on the full property, would somehow generate more revenue? That’s what you’re all about, right? Makes no sense.

tm30
tm30 on July 5, 2005 at 11:56 am

Here’s a brilliant idea. Have a little vision. Why does everyone insist on rehashing what Lombard WAS? Wow, I really long for the Hammerschmitt silos. Let’s bring ‘em back because they were so UNIQUE to the Western Suburbs.

Try this on for size – if it’s really about “culture”, let’s compromise:

Tear down the library, tear down the Dupe. Build a centerpiece, outdoor classical theatre on the site of the current library, where there will be no conflict with Lilacia. Make deals with local theatre troupes – and maybe even Drury Lane – to produce Shakespeare in the Park, classical Greek and Roman tragedies and comedies, and have classical music concerts. Free during the day to expose children to the arts, paid at night to draw lovers of the arts. Obviously there would be no winter peformances, but spring, summer, and fall would be operable.

Next step, build a new library with subterranean parking on the site of the Dupe. Add retail, condos, on the next door lot to generate tax revenue on prime property.

Everyone wins. If our civic leaders used a little imagination, everyone’s wants and desires could be satisfied.

tm30
tm30 on July 5, 2005 at 11:41 am

A few bucks per citizen? You lost all credibility with one sentence.

Yes, thank God you live in Chicago.

Dave1954
Dave1954 on July 4, 2005 at 6:40 pm

HELLO???? A B.O.R.I.N.G SUBURBAN DOWNTOWN DEAD AFTER 6PM VERSUS KICKING IN A FEW BUCKS PER CITIZEN THAT WILL LAST A GENERATION (and more) FOR RESTORING A LANDMARK??? YOU NUMBSKULLS!!!!
I guess the other aspect is all of you staying home watching TV/Cable, playing video games till you ROT…getting FAT, NO CULTURE…..THANK GOD I LIVE IN CHICAGO WITH ALL THE CULTURAL AMENITIES….YOU have a chance to create one, and you BLOW IT….GUESS you need a Chuckie Cheese more than a venue for the ARTS…..PHILISTINES…..

Dave1954
Dave1954 on June 14, 2005 at 3:32 pm

It’s a sad state of affairs that Lombard can think of a $80 million convention center (like we really need another one in this state) and not give a few million for this theater. Most downtown suburbs are BORING, and saving this gem would be an asset to yours. A late night vibrant downtown with a live theater sure beats a dead one after 6pm!

ConcernedResident
ConcernedResident on June 14, 2005 at 10:40 am

Sorry, I didn’t realize. I propose a referendum would document the will of the people and provide the proof of support that appears to be lacking in this restoration effort.

ConcernedResident
ConcernedResident on June 14, 2005 at 10:39 am

Sorry, I didn’t realize. I propose a referendum would document the will of the people and provide the proof of support that appears to be lacking in this restoration effort.