United Palace

4140 Broadway,
New York, NY 10033

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Ross Melnick
Ross Melnick on April 22, 2008 at 9:13 am

You are correct that there are aberrations here and there. How Ken and Bryan keep track of over 20,000 theaters boggles my mind. Sometimes, if users haven’t submitted updates to them, the names aren’t changed. I’ve just corrected the State in Los Angeles to reflect its last name (before becoming a church).

stevebob
stevebob on April 22, 2008 at 8:35 am

But the policy really isn’t consistent — it’s “in most cases.” A case in point is the one-time Loew’s State in downtown Los Angeles.

I suggested previously that the listing for that venue be changed, since the Loew’s part of its name was dropped in the 1950s. It continued showing films as “The State” for many years, and most people living today who knew it as a movie theater knew it as “The State,” not as “Loew’s State.”

Now that it’s a church, the official name is Catedral de la Fe — but since it’s not a part-time concert venue, at least we don’t need to change the listing name to that!

Ross Melnick
Ross Melnick on April 22, 2008 at 7:02 am

Okay — I have made another change to this listing: I have changed it to the United Palace. I have no doubt that will probably not win any more fans, but we’re looking for something that makes sense, is consistent with our policy, and, yes, respects the original name of the theater. The problem with these contentious name battles, and I appreciate all of the enthusiasm and passion, is that if we listen to all involved and make a decision one way or another, we are destined to upset someone (or some people). The buck stops here. This was a Ross & Patrick decision and something that made sense to us. The “Theatre” part has been dropped to reflect the flexible use of the building and the name chosen by those who run it. I am sure this will not stop the debate, and I love the fact that this theater engenders so much passion, but I wanted to make sure you knew why we had made the change. Thank you for your support and understanding.

FormerFlixGuy
FormerFlixGuy on April 22, 2008 at 6:26 am

First we have to deal with AMC wiping the great Loews name out of existence and now our own Cinema Treaures changes the listing of one of the great all-time classic theatres to United Palace?? Is anyone coming on this site looking for the United Palace Theatre? Bad bad move.

Bway
Bway on April 22, 2008 at 6:08 am

Howard, I agree, much credit has to go to this congregation in restoring, and maintaining the unbelieveable former 175th St Theater in such beautiful shape. And I am glad that they have also come to the point, where the theater can be used for concerts and other events as a theater, in addition to serving their needs as a church, as I am sure it brings them in needed money too, as this theater is not cheap to maintain and operate.
So yes, credit to churches that take over these great old movie palaces and keep them intact for future generations. It’s so much better than walking into a place like this that is now just another drug store…..

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 22, 2008 at 6:04 am

Indeed. And, as pointed out above, “United Church” is all that I saw in the photos as being on the actual marquee!

the name of the building isn’t United Palace Theatre. A very occasional concert series is sold/promoted by that name.

The last name, as a regular theater: Loews 175th.

Ken Roe
Ken Roe on April 22, 2008 at 5:53 am

On the official business card handed to me by the ‘operations manager’, when I was setting up my Cinema Theatre Association visit to New York in November 2007, has the name printed:
Christ United Church – The Palace Cathedral

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 22, 2008 at 5:11 am

When I wrote last night, the theater name on this website literally read:
The Palace Cathedral / United Palace Theatre

That combo name, complete with hypehn rather than “aka” looked inappropriate for this website, and was why I commented.

That combo name has since been modified or corrected to the singular “United Palace Theatre”

I want to repeat what I wrote earlier, and can be said of other theaters, too:
We all owe much gratitude to churches such as this one, and leaders such as Reverend Ike, who have lovingly restored, maintained, and operated movie palaces. Before concerts began, this church had already welcomed visitors.

markp
markp on April 21, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Somebody heard you. It is now called the “United Palace” and will show up as such on the recent comments section.

Bway
Bway on April 21, 2008 at 7:47 pm

And truly, the reason that the policy of the site is to have the current name as the main title, and all other names as “former” names, is because the site is set up for the general public. Someone walking by this theater today, and curious about it, and googling what it says currently on the marquee today is brought to this page. Aside from theater buffs, or some historians, no one will have any idea what the name of this theater would have been almost 40 years prior (and that goes for any theater). Someone walking past the Nokia Theater may not even know it was called the Astor Plaza Theater just 3 years ago…..much less a theater name from 40 years ago. I understand the reason for that policy of the site, and it must be consistent. I know it’s painful to lose the original name of “175th St Theater” as the main name….but I don’t think there are theater pages were exceptions to this rule are made, no matter how significant the theater is. For example, if they (for arguments sake) changed the name of Graumann’s Chinese Theatre to the “Hollywood Blvd Theatre” and that’s how it was operating….the name WOULD have to be changed if the policy is to remain consistent on the site. Thankfully that isn’t happening, but that’s what would happen.

Now lets get back to what we come to this site for, to enjoy the history of these great buildings. And think of this alternative….we could tragically be talking here on this page about how beautiful the 175th St Theatre WAS with it’s name still as the main name….if the theater had been gutted 38 years ago for retail…..let’s be happy the least of this theater’s “problems” is it’s current name. I much rather see this name up there, than the original name there if the theater was no longer operating, and instead you could be buying dollar store items inside instead…..

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on April 21, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Thank you CT. This page is now a tribute to a living preserved theatre and not another tombstone to memories of a dead one.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 21, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Just to make this clear, I was being sarcastic in regard to my proposed further expansion of the current long, complicated name.

Hands up, now, how many Cinema Treasures fans will remember to look for this theater as “The Palace Cathedral”?

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 21, 2008 at 6:34 pm

The marquee says United Church.

Perhaps that should also be added to

The Palace Cathedral / United Palace Theatre

since Loews 175th was too simple.

Perhaps
“The Reverend Ike’s The Palace Cathedral, presenting half a dozen concerts a year as United Palace Theatre, and otherwise known as United Church

Bway
Bway on April 21, 2008 at 7:17 am

I didn’t say they would go to cinematreasures. I said they would be searching for the the United Palace Theater on ticketmaster (or wherever). That is because that is the CURRENT name of the theater. You misunderstood why I mentioned that. I meant it that they wouldn’t be searching ticketmaster under “175th St Theater”, which is NOT the current operating name of this theater. This website, in most of my experience here (unless you can point me to some theater that this isn’t true) uses the CURRENT name as the title, which is the United Palace Theatre.

But that all an aside, at the very least, “United Palace Theatre” should be an aka name here. As that IS the current name for the THEATER operation of this building.

Bway
Bway on April 20, 2008 at 8:34 pm

And by the way, while yes, it is not used particularly often as a concert venue, it does have some events scheduled according to Ticketmaster:

View link

And also according to the link Al posted a few posts up:

View link

Someone searching for those tickets at this venue wouldn’t be able to seach for them looking at the “175th St Theater”, as it hasn’t existed in almost 40 years. But would find them under the United Palace Theater, the name of the theater the concerts play at.

Bway
Bway on April 20, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Howard. No offence, but what the heck is “Get a life”. Why would you even say something like that? Where have I gotten “out of line”? By having “the nerve” to suggest that a theater name may need to be changed on a website? All I was suggesting is an observation about a name of a theater, and how it’s listed on the site, perhaps (or perhaps not) against the policy of how names are listed by current use. I am afraid YOU should get a life if you can’t handle an adult conversation/debate on it. At least Warren respectfully disagreed with me.

“Get a Life”? Is that necessary? The nerve of me to to suggest such a thing. Geesh.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 20, 2008 at 9:45 am

Bway, get a life.

so far as I know, there have only been a few concerts here, and only recently,and when I visit official website, there are none listed for 2008 at all. It is primarily a church.

Bway
Bway on April 20, 2008 at 9:03 am

Al, you are correct. Most people outside regulars of this site or in the “theater world” would even know the church has once been called the Loews 175th St.
The OFFICIAL policy of this site is to have the main name of any particular theater as the CURRENT name of the theater. This theater is called the “United Palace Theatre”. If you are looking to buy tickets for a “Van Morrison” concert on Ticketmaster at this theater, you are searching the UNITED PALACE THEATRE, not the Loews 175th St. It doesn’t matter if it is mostly a church, which is true, but the fact remains that it is no longer ONLY a church. The theater IS used as a theater in addition to a church. This is not like the Loews Valencia which is rightly still called the Valencia as the main name on this site, as it is ONLY a church. The “Tabernacle of Prayer” is NOT used as a theater, and only for a church, so Valencia’s name remains, just as you would not call the old Oriental Theater in Boro Park “Marshalls”, as it’s not used as theater. The 175th St IS used as a theater, even if not as regularly as a church. The place IS a concert venue, and IS open to the public not attending church services.
Yes, this theater is more significant than the Blender Theater (Grammercy Theater), or the Nokia Times Square Theater (Astor Plaza Theater), however, both those theaters lost their former theater names and use the concert venue names instead, as THAT is the official POLICY of the site, so they were rightfully changed.
This theater not only should have the United Palace Theatre name, as that is the official CURRENT name of this venue, it doesn’t even make mention of the CURRENT name as an aka name. Like it or not, THAT is the name of this theater, not the 175th St Theater, which hasn’t existed in name in almost 40 years.

Other examples would be performing arts theaters. The REGENT theater in Bay Shore is listed as the Boulton Center for the Performing Arts, as THAT is the current name of the place. There are many such situations.

I know the 175th St Theater is more significant than many others, however, what theaters are given an exception to the “current name” policy? How many theaters are named by their former names instead of their current name, and which are they?

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on April 18, 2008 at 4:51 pm

Isn’t it more plausible that someone who saw a concert at the United Palace Theatre today would be trying to find out about it and rather less likely that someone would be looking for a movie theatre that closed 38 year ago?

Ziggy
Ziggy on April 18, 2008 at 1:46 pm

It makes no difference to those of us who know our way around this website, but for a newcomer it would be confusing. If one types in “Loew’s Paradise” for example, you are informed that there’s no match found, because it’s now listed as Utopia’s Paradise (a laughably stupid name by the way. It’s like saying “paradise’s paradise”). Someone coming here looking for info about Loew’s 175th Street Theatre might experience the same thing because they may never have heard of the United Palace. If there was some way that the search could also search through the aka’s that would solve the potential problem.

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on April 17, 2008 at 8:44 pm

I agree. Screw history.

How do people find it today?

Bway
Bway on April 17, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Okay, I guess I understand the point, even though it seems to be a little contrary and inconsistent with what has happened with other theaters regarding current vs. former names.
But should the “United Palace Theatre” at least be used as an “aka” name?

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 17, 2008 at 2:13 pm

I sent in the name change for the Gramercy, because that was a total change in the name of the theater. I agree with Warren for the various reasons he posted above. The website link is included above for those who wish to visit it- and it is a very nice website with many beautiful photos of the movie palace. Most people on this website are more familiar with the historic name.

The status was changed today to “open” pursuant to the comment suggesting it.

I will also add gratitude to the church for keeping the movie palace in such wonderful order, and making it so available to the public.

Bway
Bway on April 17, 2008 at 9:58 am

By the way, I didn’t mean to imply that the 175th St Theater was less significant than the old Astor Plaza (Nokia) or Grammercy Theater (Blender), those two sentences sort of give the wrong impression, I meant to say that many significiant Theaters use their current names on the site…then went on about Grammercy and Astor, I didn’t mean to imply that those are more or just as significant “cinema treasures”, just that those are two examples of theaters in general that are using their most recent names instead of their movie day names.