United Palace

4140 Broadway,
New York, NY 10033

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Ken Roe
Ken Roe on April 22, 2008 at 8:53 am

On the official business card handed to me by the ‘operations manager’, when I was setting up my Cinema Theatre Association visit to New York in November 2007, has the name printed:
Christ United Church – The Palace Cathedral

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 22, 2008 at 8:11 am

When I wrote last night, the theater name on this website literally read:
The Palace Cathedral / United Palace Theatre

That combo name, complete with hypehn rather than “aka” looked inappropriate for this website, and was why I commented.

That combo name has since been modified or corrected to the singular “United Palace Theatre”

I want to repeat what I wrote earlier, and can be said of other theaters, too:
We all owe much gratitude to churches such as this one, and leaders such as Reverend Ike, who have lovingly restored, maintained, and operated movie palaces. Before concerts began, this church had already welcomed visitors.

markp
markp on April 21, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Somebody heard you. It is now called the “United Palace” and will show up as such on the recent comments section.

Bway
Bway on April 21, 2008 at 10:47 pm

And truly, the reason that the policy of the site is to have the current name as the main title, and all other names as “former” names, is because the site is set up for the general public. Someone walking by this theater today, and curious about it, and googling what it says currently on the marquee today is brought to this page. Aside from theater buffs, or some historians, no one will have any idea what the name of this theater would have been almost 40 years prior (and that goes for any theater). Someone walking past the Nokia Theater may not even know it was called the Astor Plaza Theater just 3 years ago…..much less a theater name from 40 years ago. I understand the reason for that policy of the site, and it must be consistent. I know it’s painful to lose the original name of “175th St Theater” as the main name….but I don’t think there are theater pages were exceptions to this rule are made, no matter how significant the theater is. For example, if they (for arguments sake) changed the name of Graumann’s Chinese Theatre to the “Hollywood Blvd Theatre” and that’s how it was operating….the name WOULD have to be changed if the policy is to remain consistent on the site. Thankfully that isn’t happening, but that’s what would happen.

Now lets get back to what we come to this site for, to enjoy the history of these great buildings. And think of this alternative….we could tragically be talking here on this page about how beautiful the 175th St Theatre WAS with it’s name still as the main name….if the theater had been gutted 38 years ago for retail…..let’s be happy the least of this theater’s “problems” is it’s current name. I much rather see this name up there, than the original name there if the theater was no longer operating, and instead you could be buying dollar store items inside instead…..

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on April 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Thank you CT. This page is now a tribute to a living preserved theatre and not another tombstone to memories of a dead one.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 21, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Just to make this clear, I was being sarcastic in regard to my proposed further expansion of the current long, complicated name.

Hands up, now, how many Cinema Treasures fans will remember to look for this theater as “The Palace Cathedral”?

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 21, 2008 at 9:34 pm

The marquee says United Church.

Perhaps that should also be added to

The Palace Cathedral / United Palace Theatre

since Loews 175th was too simple.

Perhaps
“The Reverend Ike’s The Palace Cathedral, presenting half a dozen concerts a year as United Palace Theatre, and otherwise known as United Church

Bway
Bway on April 21, 2008 at 10:17 am

I didn’t say they would go to cinematreasures. I said they would be searching for the the United Palace Theater on ticketmaster (or wherever). That is because that is the CURRENT name of the theater. You misunderstood why I mentioned that. I meant it that they wouldn’t be searching ticketmaster under “175th St Theater”, which is NOT the current operating name of this theater. This website, in most of my experience here (unless you can point me to some theater that this isn’t true) uses the CURRENT name as the title, which is the United Palace Theatre.

But that all an aside, at the very least, “United Palace Theatre” should be an aka name here. As that IS the current name for the THEATER operation of this building.

Warren G. Harris
Warren G. Harris on April 21, 2008 at 8:35 am

“Bway,” I don’t understand your logic. Why would someone searching for tickets for United Palace Theatre go to Cinema Treasures? This is not a ticket agency. I think they would go to Ticketmaster or any of the many other brokers in cyberspace. Also, United Palace is not a cinema. Why would they even think that they could buy tickets for a rock concert at a website called Cinema Treaures?

Bway
Bway on April 20, 2008 at 11:34 pm

And by the way, while yes, it is not used particularly often as a concert venue, it does have some events scheduled according to Ticketmaster:

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And also according to the link Al posted a few posts up:

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Someone searching for those tickets at this venue wouldn’t be able to seach for them looking at the “175th St Theater”, as it hasn’t existed in almost 40 years. But would find them under the United Palace Theater, the name of the theater the concerts play at.

Bway
Bway on April 20, 2008 at 11:27 pm

Howard. No offence, but what the heck is “Get a life”. Why would you even say something like that? Where have I gotten “out of line”? By having “the nerve” to suggest that a theater name may need to be changed on a website? All I was suggesting is an observation about a name of a theater, and how it’s listed on the site, perhaps (or perhaps not) against the policy of how names are listed by current use. I am afraid YOU should get a life if you can’t handle an adult conversation/debate on it. At least Warren respectfully disagreed with me.

“Get a Life”? Is that necessary? The nerve of me to to suggest such a thing. Geesh.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 20, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Bway, get a life.

so far as I know, there have only been a few concerts here, and only recently,and when I visit official website, there are none listed for 2008 at all. It is primarily a church.

Warren G. Harris
Warren G. Harris on April 20, 2008 at 12:45 pm

This is not a full-time theatre. It’s a church that sometimes can be rented for secular activities such as concerts and movie/TV “shoots.” The availability is very limited because the church uses the building most of the time for services and out-reach to the community. The official name is United Palace Church. “United Palace Theatre” exists only on paper when secular concerts are held, which doesn’t seem to be very often.

Bway
Bway on April 20, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Al, you are correct. Most people outside regulars of this site or in the “theater world” would even know the church has once been called the Loews 175th St.
The OFFICIAL policy of this site is to have the main name of any particular theater as the CURRENT name of the theater. This theater is called the “United Palace Theatre”. If you are looking to buy tickets for a “Van Morrison” concert on Ticketmaster at this theater, you are searching the UNITED PALACE THEATRE, not the Loews 175th St. It doesn’t matter if it is mostly a church, which is true, but the fact remains that it is no longer ONLY a church. The theater IS used as a theater in addition to a church. This is not like the Loews Valencia which is rightly still called the Valencia as the main name on this site, as it is ONLY a church. The “Tabernacle of Prayer” is NOT used as a theater, and only for a church, so Valencia’s name remains, just as you would not call the old Oriental Theater in Boro Park “Marshalls”, as it’s not used as theater. The 175th St IS used as a theater, even if not as regularly as a church. The place IS a concert venue, and IS open to the public not attending church services.
Yes, this theater is more significant than the Blender Theater (Grammercy Theater), or the Nokia Times Square Theater (Astor Plaza Theater), however, both those theaters lost their former theater names and use the concert venue names instead, as THAT is the official POLICY of the site, so they were rightfully changed.
This theater not only should have the United Palace Theatre name, as that is the official CURRENT name of this venue, it doesn’t even make mention of the CURRENT name as an aka name. Like it or not, THAT is the name of this theater, not the 175th St Theater, which hasn’t existed in name in almost 40 years.

Other examples would be performing arts theaters. The REGENT theater in Bay Shore is listed as the Boulton Center for the Performing Arts, as THAT is the current name of the place. There are many such situations.

I know the 175th St Theater is more significant than many others, however, what theaters are given an exception to the “current name” policy? How many theaters are named by their former names instead of their current name, and which are they?

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on April 18, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Isn’t it more plausible that someone who saw a concert at the United Palace Theatre today would be trying to find out about it and rather less likely that someone would be looking for a movie theatre that closed 38 year ago?

Ziggy
Ziggy on April 18, 2008 at 4:46 pm

It makes no difference to those of us who know our way around this website, but for a newcomer it would be confusing. If one types in “Loew’s Paradise” for example, you are informed that there’s no match found, because it’s now listed as Utopia’s Paradise (a laughably stupid name by the way. It’s like saying “paradise’s paradise”). Someone coming here looking for info about Loew’s 175th Street Theatre might experience the same thing because they may never have heard of the United Palace. If there was some way that the search could also search through the aka’s that would solve the potential problem.

Warren G. Harris
Warren G. Harris on April 18, 2008 at 12:59 pm

“Screw history,” says Al Alvarez. A quote which will live in infamy, to paraphrase the 32nd president of the United States.

Warren G. Harris
Warren G. Harris on April 18, 2008 at 9:01 am

Don’t you folks understand that it’s only used as a theatre part of the time? In fact, at least 80% of the activitity there is for church purposes. “United Palace Theatre” could be listed above as an alternate name in smaller type. Anyone seeking information for that venue could easily find it through the search engine.

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on April 17, 2008 at 11:44 pm

I agree. Screw history.

How do people find it today?

Bway
Bway on April 17, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Okay, I guess I understand the point, even though it seems to be a little contrary and inconsistent with what has happened with other theaters regarding current vs. former names.
But should the “United Palace Theatre” at least be used as an “aka” name?

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on April 17, 2008 at 5:13 pm

I sent in the name change for the Gramercy, because that was a total change in the name of the theater. I agree with Warren for the various reasons he posted above. The website link is included above for those who wish to visit it- and it is a very nice website with many beautiful photos of the movie palace. Most people on this website are more familiar with the historic name.

The status was changed today to “open” pursuant to the comment suggesting it.

I will also add gratitude to the church for keeping the movie palace in such wonderful order, and making it so available to the public.

Warren G. Harris
Warren G. Harris on April 17, 2008 at 4:41 pm

United Palace only operates part-time as a theatre, so I think that rules out changing the main name from Loew’s 175th Street. I’m sure that many members will agree with me. Loew’s 175th Street is one of the legendary “Wonder Theatres.” Let’s have some respect for history.

Bway
Bway on April 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm

By the way, I didn’t mean to imply that the 175th St Theater was less significant than the old Astor Plaza (Nokia) or Grammercy Theater (Blender), those two sentences sort of give the wrong impression, I meant to say that many significiant Theaters use their current names on the site…then went on about Grammercy and Astor, I didn’t mean to imply that those are more or just as significant “cinema treasures”, just that those are two examples of theaters in general that are using their most recent names instead of their movie day names.

Bway
Bway on April 17, 2008 at 12:55 pm

That’s the CURRENT name of the theater. I hate to lose the original name of this place too, but other just as significant theaters listed on this site, which are no longer showing movies, but still operating as theaters (even if only part time) are listed as their current names. I thought that was the policy of the website. Again, if you type “venues” at ticketmaster, this theater doesn’t come up as the “175th St Theatre”, it comes up as the “United Palace Theatre”:

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I agree, it is much more significant as the “175th St”, yet like other theaters that no longer show movies, but are concert halls, such as Nokia and Blender, they are listed as their current names.

Unfortunately for consistancy, it should show the current name. I mean again, for example, wasn’t the “Mayfair Theater” more significant when it operated as such, or later when it became the “Embassy 2,3,4”, yet it is listed as it’s most current (or in that case last operating name) name used.

Incidentally, from what I have read, the projection capabilities are also still intact at the 175th St-United Palace Theatre.