Ziegfeld Theatre

141 West 54th Street,
New York, NY 10019

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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 30, 2005 at 7:31 am

Only one is a genuine 70mm film but Sweet Charity, Chips and Sixpence I think are 3 very underrated films and certainly deserving of a reevalution with a roadshow type presentation.
Well this past year I was hoping for 70mm anniversary presentations of Lady and SOM but neither came to pass.
I’m still waiting for a cinephile like Scorsese who has a passion for widesceen films to join in the fray and begin to raise funds for a desperately needed widescreen museum. Just lets make it a real one. 50 ft just doesn’t cut it.

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on August 30, 2005 at 5:28 am

Forrest, you have selected some of the worst 70mm musicals ever made; it was over-produced, lumbering dinosaurs like these that helped close some of our best picture palaces. Audences didn’t come to see these movies then, and they won’t come now.

That said, I do agree that a well booked and promoted 70mm fesival is a great idea; any well-selected and well-advertised fesival would help fill the seats in this last example of a New York showplace.

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on August 30, 2005 at 5:03 am

Forrest, you’ve picked some of the worst examples of 70mm musicals, or any 70mm films for that matter; it was these over-produced, bloated spectacles that helped close some of our best picture palaces. Nobody came to see these movies on their original release, and no one will come see them now.

But I do agree that a 70mm festival, or any decently booked and promoted festival, would help fill some seats here.

Forrest136
Forrest136 on August 30, 2005 at 1:53 am

Imagine seeing “Sweet Charity” , “Goodbye Mr. Chips”, “Finians Rainbow”, “STAR!”,or “Half A Sixpence” again in 70mm complete with Overtute Entra Act and Exit Music again!

Forrest136
Forrest136 on August 30, 2005 at 1:53 am

Imagine seeing “Sweet Charity” , “Goodbye Mr. Chips”, “Finians Rainbow”, “STAR!”,or “Half A Sixpence” again in 70mm complete with Overtute Entra Act and Exit Music again!

Forrest136
Forrest136 on August 30, 2005 at 1:52 am

Imagine seeing “Sweet Charity” , “Goodbye Mr. Chips”, “Finians Rainbow”, “SATR!”,or “Half A Sixpence” again in 70mm complete with Overtute Entra Act and Exit Music again!

Coate
Coate on August 30, 2005 at 1:49 am

“We’ll probably never see a 70MM classic on the big screen again (unless we go to England)”…or L.A. Thank you American Cinematheque!

ErikH
ErikH on August 30, 2005 at 1:30 am

The Ziegfeld has shown revivals during the late summer/early fall period when quality first run films are often scarce. “Funny Girl” was playing at the Ziegfeld on 9/11 (I remember walking by the Ziegfeld on my way home from the office on that terrible day) and “The Way We Were” was revived during a similar time frame in 2003. I passed on “Funny Girl” but went to a sparsely attended weekend screening of “The Way We Were.”

If Clearview is considering booking a revivial at the Ziegfeld during the upcoming slow season, why not take a chance on a non-Streisand film this time?

umbaba
umbaba on August 30, 2005 at 12:45 am

In regards to above postings it all goes back to what we originally said. The people in charge of these theaters are NOT movie pople, just corporate hacks. We’ll probably never see a 70MM classic on the big screen again (unless we go to England)

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on August 29, 2005 at 4:16 am

Vincent’s idea about making the Ziegfeld into an East Coast American Cinematheque is so logical. How can we get the Clearview executives to read these posts? Right now the Ziegfeld is going to waste and it’s really sad. Remember back in 1996 when “Vertigo” played there to big crowds for weeks? A Friday night show I attended a couple of weeks into the run was a complete sellout. Forget stuff like “The Baxter”: the Ziegfeld would be the perfect home for classic movies. We can all see it – why can’t Clearview?

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on August 29, 2005 at 3:22 am

Clearview has booked a string of bombs in this place recently…The Island, The Great Raid, and now The Baxter. Over 1100 empty seats at each performance. Good Lord!

br91975
br91975 on August 29, 2005 at 3:10 am

‘The Baxter’, the IFC Films release booked exclusively into 47 Clearview Cinemas properties, including the Ziegfeld, experienced a near-total flameout this past weekend, grossing an estimated $37,708 for a per-screen average of $802. Almost needless to say, I think Clearview overestimated what they had on their hands, especially with ‘The 40-Year-Old Virgin’ and ‘Wedding Crashers’ as competition.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 29, 2005 at 2:54 am

Well they maybe have to start thinking in terms of showmanship again if they want to start bringing people back into movie theaters. With movie companies considering releasing films simultaneously on DVD’s why in the world should anyone go to a theater when you make up for the(relatively) larger screen in the comfort and convenience of your own home. The audience that was collectively enthralled by a new film is a thing of the past.
Maybe cinema as a public experience is about to become as extinct as vaudeville.

Vito
Vito on August 29, 2005 at 2:30 am

Well thanks Bill, ya know this business just gets into your blood and becomes a very important part of your life, I think Rob Endres would agree.

Vito
Vito on August 29, 2005 at 2:22 am

Vincent I think more theatre owners haver got to begin thinking the way we do. With attendance numbers decreasing, they must find ways to bring em back to the theatres. God knows we have the resources to equip the theatre with mind blowing “Super Projection” on giant screens with better sound than they can generate at home. Other problems I hear about all the time stem from the rudeness of many theatre goers, everything from ringing cell phones to crying babies has got to be addressed, Then there is the problem of DVDs, Of course the studios make a fortune on the DVD sales, but it hurts theatre owners when the DVD is available so soon after the movies release, the talk now is to shorten the window between release of films and DVDs. We can give them what they can’t get at home, it’s time we started doing that,IMAX is a step in the right direction.
Multiplex’s are here to stay but there has to movie theatres as well, tear down those 100 seat screening rooms being called theatres today.

theatres and DVDs.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on August 29, 2005 at 2:12 am

Vito: your love for your profession was never more apparent than when you talked about the IMAX prints loving the high humidity, as if they were alive. Guys like you and Rob Endres belong in the Projectionists Hall of Fame.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 29, 2005 at 1:21 am

So why doesn’t the Clearview make the Ziegfeld a real presentation house and install a real 140 degree curved 80 ft screen which would be adaptable to show everything from 1:85 to panavision to 70MM like the old times Square houses. Thereby utilizing the theater a lot more than it is being used now and garnering a lot of publicity for itself. The way theaters used to years ago when they were modernized.
Now its just being used as another screening room along with all the other multiplexes in Manhattan.
Maybe this can be the East Coast American Cinemateque.

Vito
Vito on August 28, 2005 at 10:21 pm

Michael,
I had not visited the site in a while, happy to see you have included IMAX. The format is growing, many young people have never seen a true 70mm movie and are loving it. At National Amusements Cinema Delux in White Plains New York we are splitting three IMAX movies over the course of the day. Charlie, Batman, and Nascar, all are very popular. The format continues to improve with new and more user friendly software, many of the bugs have been worked out and the technical support is first rate. The prints are holding up very well, we have found keeping a high humidity level in the booth has made a big difference, we keep the booth like a rain forest and the prints love it. Oh and I promise to visit the website more often.

Coate
Coate on August 28, 2005 at 2:29 pm

Vito,
Surf the site; we do have some IMAX content posted. What kind of list were you thinking of?

Vito
Vito on August 27, 2005 at 9:55 pm

Michael, Since IMAX is a 70mm format, I think it may be time to start an IMAX listing on your website, it may be the only 70mm we will see for a long time.

Vito
Vito on August 27, 2005 at 9:50 pm

Dennis, the IMAX theatres are gaining momentium, National Amusements has plans to incorporate an IMAX theatre in future locations. When a movie like “Batman Begins” or “Charlie” plays in IMAX, people will go out of the way to see it in the IMAX version rather than the 35mm.
Warners is very hot on the idea and has plans for more releases, the new Harry Potter will be shown in IMAX in November and Lucas is planning an IMAX release of all the “Star Wars” films. I would love to see “2001” in IMAX as well.

dennisczimmerman
dennisczimmerman on August 27, 2005 at 9:19 am

Now that someone has brought up “2001”. What do you think it would be like to see it projected in Imax? After seeing “Charlie and the chocolate Factory” and seeing a scene from it in that film, it got me wondering. I know there are people that think regular films presented in Imax is not what it is cracked up to be. However, I must say after seeing “Charlie” and “Harry Potter” previously, I will take an Imax film presentation over the shoebox theatre showings anytime! Even drove 50 miles to see them! Reminds me of my childhood days when we would drive into center city Philadelphia to see the “roadshow 70MM films.” It is like someone else stated elsewhere on this site, you have to give the moviegoer something that is extraordinary to get them off their sofas. In addition to better films, better manners by moviegoers, better presentations would be ideal. I still remember the curtains opening, opening, etc. as the lights dimmed in the movie palaces with 70mm presentations. The overatures ended and the movie logo’s filled those fantastic screen! Oh what memories!

Vito
Vito on August 27, 2005 at 7:37 am

“The Ziegfeld is the only theatre in the country equipped with 6-track stereophonic sound.”

Michael, I can just see the foam building around your mouth and the smoke coming out of your ears when you read that. I still cannot believe they actually made that claim.
Mark, the whole thing was sooo 50s, like 3-Ds,“A lion in your lap,and a girl in your arms” or CinemScope’s “The miracle you see
without glasses”

Mark_L
Mark_L on August 27, 2005 at 6:32 am

That is one of the funniest ads I’ve ever seen. If 50' is “half a city block”, then they have some mighty small blocks! And I’m sure the note of using Zeiss Favorit projectors just packed them in!!!

Coate
Coate on August 26, 2005 at 6:31 pm

“The Ziegfeld is the only theatre in the country equipped with 6-track stereophonic sound.”

Don’t you just love the outrageous hype present in that “2001” ad?!