Ziegfeld Theatre

141 West 54th Street,
New York, NY 10019

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Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 16, 2006 at 4:10 am

Bob: I think nostalgia has a lot to do with it, in my case anyway. I’d only been to the Loew’s Jersey once before it was closed and re-opened, for “Ben-Hur” in 1961. And I’d never been to or even heard of the Lafayette until the Big Screen Classics series started. But the Ziegfeld was like a home to me. I must have seen “2001” there more than 20 times. Also “Lawrence of Arabia”, “Spartacus”, “Vertigo” – all in 70mm and multiple repeat viewings. Having the classics playing successfully there now makes me feel like the Ziegfeld has come back from the dead.

BobFurmanek
BobFurmanek on February 16, 2006 at 3:41 am

Would sure be nice to see that new 70mm print which was recently struck of IT’S A MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD WORLD.

When I was programming classic film at Loew’s Jersey, I played an original 35mm dye-transfer Technicolor print, and recreated the overture, intermission and police radio calls. We played it on a Saturday night back in 2001 and had over 700 people! This film hasn’t played in the New York area since, and I think would do quite well.

I have to smile at the folks responding as if no other theater in the Metro area has been doing classic film on a regular basis. Ever hear of the Lafayette in Suffern, or the Loew’s Jersey in Jersey City?

Sorry, but classic film on a big screen in a movie palace is not a new concept folks. Check the Loew’s Jersey thread and see what I was doing there 5 years ago.

chconnol
chconnol on February 16, 2006 at 1:51 am

I’m at my wits end! I keep getting e-mail notifications when someone replies despite the fact that I don’t have the box at the bottom checked off. I’ve written to Cinemtreasures but it’s not stopping. I’m betting tons of these.

Anyone know what to do?

evmovieguy
evmovieguy on February 15, 2006 at 7:10 pm

andreco-

Film Forum is sponsored and run by individuals that come from more of a film ‘fellowship’ if you will than the Ziegfeld. Not to take anything away from the mangement of the Ziegfeld, but the people at Film Forum, because of their backgrounds might pay more attention to issues like having new prints, etc. Once again, not dissing or taking away anything from the Ziegfeld. Did you see the print of ‘The Gang’s All Here’ at Film Forum? I know that not many of those prints exist, but the one that Film Forum had last summer was not in the best of shape by any means. Scratchy, frames missing. Parts of it were a real mess. Why didn’t Film Forum decide NOT to run that film at all because of it’s condition? Did they exaust all of THEIR resources, from their illustrious board of directors or trustees, or whatever they call it to have a new print made if a good negative of that film even exists?

The point is, is that these films are OLD, and in all the years that I was going to revival houses when there were still alot of them in the city, you always ran into a bad print here and there. I remember seeing ‘Easy Rider’ at Theater 80-Saint Mark’s about 15 years ago and they screened the made for TV print! It was hilarious. Parts of the film were totally cut out including the part where Dennis Hopper flips off the truck drivers at the end. Snipped right out!

What more do you want? They just held over the classics series at the Ziegfeld and you have one of the people involved in management looking at this board, responding directly to us, and trying to accomodate our very specific film viewing needs. Cut ‘em some slack! I don’t think you need to pressure anybody about what has already happened and been addressed.

evmovieguy
evmovieguy on February 15, 2006 at 7:09 pm

andreco-

Film Forum is sponsored and run by individuals that come from more of a film ‘fellowship’ if you will than the Ziegfeld. Not to take anything away from the mangement of the Ziegfeld, but the people at Film Forum, because of their backgrounds might pay more attention to issues like having new prints, etc. Once again, not dissing or taking away anything from the Ziegfeld. Did you see the print of ‘The Gang’s All Here’ at Film Forum? I know that not many of those prints exist, but the one that Film Forum had last summer was not in the best of shape by any means. Scratchy, frames missing. Parts of it were a real mess. Why didn’t Film Forum decide NOT to run that film at all because of it’s condition? Did they exaust all of THEIR resources, from their illustrious board of directors or trustees, or whatever they call it to have a new print made if a good negative of that film even exists?

The point is, is that these films are OLD, and in all the years that I was going to revival houses when there were still alot of them in the city, you always ran into a bad print here and there. I remember seeing ‘Easy Rider’ at Theater 80-Saint Mark’s about 15 years ago and they screened the made for TV print! It was hilarious. Parts of the film were totally cut out including the part where Dennis Hopper flips off the truck drivers at the end. Snipped right out!

What more do you want? They just held over the classics series at the Ziegfeld and you have one of the people involved in management looking at this board, responding directly to us, and trying to accomodate our very specific film viewing needs. Cut ‘em some slack! I don’t think you need to pressure anybody about what has already happened addressed.

Andres
Andres on February 15, 2006 at 6:46 pm

PS to my previous comment: To JSA of LA, thanks for your comments and support.

Andres
Andres on February 15, 2006 at 6:43 pm

Re the quality of prints — specially My Fair Lady at the Ziegfeld: How come the Film Forum, a small — very small — independent non-profit cinema here in NYC can get new struck prints in scope and double projection 3D for their revivals and Clearview, a giant exhibitor, can’t? Any answers, Craig?

Andres
Andres on February 15, 2006 at 6:41 pm

Re the quality of prints — specially My Fair Lady at the Ziegfeld: How come the Film Forum, a small — very small — independent non-profit cinema here in NYC can get new struck prints in scope and double projection 3D for their revivals and Clearview, a giant exhibitor, can’t? Any answers, Craig?

evmovieguy
evmovieguy on February 15, 2006 at 5:59 pm

TO CRAIG O'CONNOR/CLEARVIEW CINEMAS:

So glad to hear the great news about extending the classics festival! It’s great to know that A) there will be more classic films and more reasons for me to go to The Ziegfeld, a place I really love and B) that Clearview and the management of the Ziegfeld have found this a worthwhile endeavor. Obviously the numbers are good and people are filling the seats. Contrary to popular opinion, there IS an audience for this type of entertainment that goes beyond film geeks like us here on Cinema Treasures. It just goes to show that if you present something and you do it with class you can’t lose. I hope the classics series continues well beyond March and we see this as a regular attraction at the Ziegfeld. Film revival is something that was always one of the great aspects with living in the New York City area. It has been gone for far too long and hopefully with this classics series we will be seeing it’s long overdue renaissance.

JSA
JSA on February 15, 2006 at 4:41 pm

To HowardBHaas (and all those interested in Cinerama):

Regarding the screen required for Cinerama, check out the recent comment posted by haineshisway on the Cinerama Dome section. Technically he’s correct. However, I have seen “How The West Was Won” at the Dome, and it is a truly spectacular experience.

JSA

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on February 15, 2006 at 2:42 pm

To clarify, the true Cinerama screen is gone from the Uptown. However, as I said, the Uptown offers the best possibility for Cinerama in the east coast. LA & Seattle venues are in daily moviehouses, which I doubt the Mayfair-Demille-Embassy 2-3-4 will become again. Cinerama is only presented for a few weeks at most in those W. Coast cities. The Uptown could put the screen back, open up the A & C booths again, bring back projectors & sound. No other daily moviehouse has the infrastructure of 3 booths.

The KB Cinema’s 35-70 mm projectors are at the Loew’s Jersey.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on February 15, 2006 at 2:37 pm

I’ve spoken at length with the projectionist in the Uptown booth. Cinerama requires a special screen. of thin strips if I recall correctly. It has been replaced. The current screen may be Cinerama sized, but that’s different. Of course, putting up a Cinerama screen would be relatively easy in the space that had it before, as opposed to at the Ziegfeld.

Last I knew, Uptown’s best projection over the Friday to Sunday period, with professional projectionist. They were having a controversy over a platter that had arrived- and that’s long after
platters arrived in most other movie theaters.

The sound has some surround from the back, but overall is usually loud enough. I’ve never seen poor projection there or found the sound wasn’t loud enough. The Uptown is a magnificient movie going experience. Restored or new prints, I’ve seen there the 70 mm epics people want at the Ziegfeld: Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur, Dr. Zhivago, 2001, and more. Truly incredible on the huge screen!

The Ziegfeld’s screen probably isn’t small, but somehow it is the original design of the house that makes it look that way. It is almost certainly bigger than the old KB Cinema on Wisconsin Avenue in DC, but that one was set better and always seemed bigger. However, the Ziegfeld is a neat venue because of its decoration. It has excellent sound, but the Astor Plaza had even better.

JodarMovieFan
JodarMovieFan on February 15, 2006 at 2:16 pm

The Uptown still has the huge curved screen and has the potential of offering patrons a great cinematic experience and have done so with previous 70mm shows, but they don’t have regular projectionists. I was there this past summer and had a horrible experience watching the last Star Wars movie that was slightly off the screen with sound that was turned down, with little to no noticeable surround sound. The manager acknowledged that they did not have a FT projectionist and didn’t seem to care about it or know what to do to fix it. If I could speak Hindi, maybe I could’ve conveyed my sentiments a bit better ;)

The Ziegfeld’s digital projection and sound system was the best place to see it as far as I am concerned, but their screen is rather small. The ideal set up would be the Uptown’s wide screen and the Ziegfeld’s sound system. Just my 2c.

Andres
Andres on February 15, 2006 at 1:23 pm

Howard, from what I have read on the Uptown in DC on its page here, it gives me the impression it still has the Cinerama screen. I have been at the Uptown, the last time about 8 years ago and it had the huge curved screen. What a magnificent moviegoing experience!
Ed, Rita Moreno’s first screen appearance was in “Singin' In The Rain” (Zelda). She had done several movies before WSS, “The King and I” was one of them.
Best, Andres.

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on February 15, 2006 at 1:00 pm

Craig, you’ve done a great job at Chelsea Classics and it looks like you’re a success here as well. Bravo!

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 15, 2006 at 11:28 am

Craig: Thanks for the beautiful print of “West Side Story”, and thanks in advance for what I’m sure will be a fantastic 70mm print of “Lawrence of Arabia”. If the Ziegfeld were alive, it would be proud at being put to the best possible use.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on February 15, 2006 at 11:27 am

Mr. O'Connor, that’s great news! I didn’t turn in my white card asking for more films, because I was going to think about it and turn in if I attend later.

I’d like to see the film MASH, having not seen it on the big screen.

And, whereas I’ve already seen the first three James Bond films from the early 1960’s, I would like to see the others from the 1960’s and early 1970’s.

And, like many others on this page, I am a fan of 70 mm and would especially like to see the restored Dr. Zhivago, and the restored Spartacus prints in 70 mm. I would consider seeing many other titles in 70 mm, and expect you will see more mentioned below.

THANK YOU for all your good work. I also want to say that the staff at the Ziegfeld is especially nice to customers.

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on February 15, 2006 at 11:26 am

So then it wasn’t the restored print.

Movieguy718
Movieguy718 on February 15, 2006 at 11:10 am

Hey Saps,

No, MFL did NOT have any credits at the end.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on February 15, 2006 at 10:48 am

Craig are you going to be trying for other 70mm prints? Maybe Clearview could spring for a My Fair Lady print and tour it like a stage musical?
We’ve been begging you guys to do this forever and now that you’ve taken the hint and its a success please take our other suggestion to heart.
Vince

therock1
therock1 on February 15, 2006 at 10:42 am

Hello,

Thanks again for all the comments and suggestions about the series. I have some good news for you! Hollywood Classics is being extended for 3 weeks!

We in the process of lining up some good product (& good prints). I should have some of the programming information to share with you by tomorrow.

One title I can confirm at this time is “Lawrence of Arabia” presented in 70 mm beginning on March 24th.

Once again, thanks for supporting The Ziegfeld!

Craig O'Connor
Clearview Cinemas

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on February 15, 2006 at 10:40 am

The question about the restoration credits remains unanswered: Did the My Fair Lady print now running have the restoration credits at the end?

William
William on February 15, 2006 at 10:38 am

Recently a screening of the restored “South Pacific” was screened at the old Hollywood Pacific (Pacific 1,2,3) theatre in Digital Cinema. So this may be the answer from the studios of how old titles will be made available to Digital Cinema Theatres. So the cost of new prints will be a thing of the past. All they will have to do is load the feature into the server of the system and project it like all the new films on the DCinema bandwagon.

mhvbear
mhvbear on February 15, 2006 at 10:38 am

Is it possible they were able to get another print of “My Fair Lady”. We cancelled our plans for the Saturday show after reading about the bad condition the print was in. Stayed home and watched the dvd instead. I had seen a bad print years ago, before the restored version and never wanted to experience that again.

Ed Solero
Ed Solero on February 15, 2006 at 9:26 am

According the WSS listing on imdb.com, there was a planned intermission for the film’s roadshow engagements that was to have occcured after the fade-out just before “I Feel Pretty.” The filmmakers decided to scrap the idea, so that the rising tension within the story could be maintained up to the climactic rumble. When the movie first aired on network television in the early 1970’s, it was broadcast over two consecutive nights with the break occuring in this exact spot. The intermission is restored in the Limited Edition DVD that MGM released in 2003.