Rivoli Theatre

1620 Broadway,
New York, NY 10019

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frankcan
frankcan on August 25, 2005 at 4:41 pm

Thank you William and KenRoe for the info on this theater, that’s another interesting page. I’m pretty sure both The Right Stuff and Superman II were 70mm prints, which seemed to be a specialty of this theater. Even though I hardly see current movies anymore (I prefer revivals at the Film Forum), and I am aware that with today’s economy it’s more practical to open mulitplexes with 200 seat auditoria, I still really miss these huge movie palaces.
By the way, I recently read The Best Remaining Seats by Ben M. Hall, which got me interested enough in movie palaces to find this site. It was a very interesting read, and I like Mr. Hall’s sense of humor, which makes it more entertaining while still being respectful of the subject. I have the Da Capo trade paperback edition, which seems to have printed a “color” photo section in black and white. It’s currently out of print, but I just checked amazon.com and found they have a few copies available. I strongly recommend it to anyone not familiar with it.

Ken Roe
Ken Roe on August 25, 2005 at 2:38 pm

francan;The theatre you mention above is listed here:– /theaters/2975 Normally theatres on Cinema Treasures are listed by their last name, in this case it is listed under its original and most well known name. The aka’s are not searchable at the moment.

William
William on August 25, 2005 at 2:37 pm

It is listed under the original name of the theatre. Look under the Strand Theatre New York, NY.

frankcan
frankcan on August 25, 2005 at 2:30 pm

Does anyone remember the RKO Cinerama, which sometime in the ‘80’s was renamed the RKO Warner? It was on Broadway in the upper 40’s, either 47 or 48 Street. I was only there twice, once in 81 to see Superman II, and then in 83 to see The Right Stuff. I actually saw Superman II in a brief re-release around Thanksgiving, it was a twin theater by then, and I saw it in the balcony theater, which I remember was HUGE. The Right Stuff played in the lower, orchestra theater. I recall it being large but a bit smaller than the balcony theater. The sound was a little better than the upstairs theater, and the screen seemed to be curved, like the old Cinerama screens were reported to be. I don’t remember when the theater was closed and demolished, I would assume it was late 80’s or early 90’s.
Anyway I didn’t see this theater listed on this site, so I was wondering if anyone remembers it or has any info on it. Thanks.

mrchangeover
mrchangeover on August 25, 2005 at 1:53 pm

Attention Richard Dziadzio and Tim Elliot.
Could you contact me privately by e mail re some info from your previous posts?
Thanks.

frankie
frankie on August 25, 2005 at 12:53 pm

In 1957 I was going on 14, and my Mom insisted that I see “Around The World In 80 Days” at the Rivoli, so she sent me into Manhattan from Brooklyn one Saturday morning with about $1.75 (!!!) to catch the first showing. I can still remember standing in front of the theater. 12 years later I remember being amazed that I could see “Hello, Dolly !” there while the show was still on Broadway. The last film I saw there was “Coal Miner’s Daughter” with my brother. A note on Bette Davis in “The Little Foxes”: In several books I’ve read,it seems that Wyler wanted the character played as more charming and womanly, whereas Bette seemed to go for a cold, steely interpretation. Incidentally, “Another Part of the Forest” is a phenomenal film. The original Broadway production starred Patricia Neal, who I kissed on the cheek on vacation this summer in a roadside gourmet grocery store in Oakland, Maine !!! frankie from Brooklyn

RobertR
RobertR on August 21, 2005 at 5:20 pm

Here is one of American Internationals attempts at something other then drive-in flicks. The world premiere was at the Rivoli
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frankcan
frankcan on August 20, 2005 at 1:10 pm

Hi Bill, I remember that screening at the MOMA, that was in ‘87 for the 25 Anniversary of the Bond series. I think it was also missing the scene in M’s office during the pre-title sequence. I wrote to the person at the museum in charge of the exhibit telling her how much I enjoyed the program~~they also featured many props, photos, artwork and posters from the movies as well as a tv monitor that showed pre-title sequences from many of the movies. I also mentioned the missing footage. She actually wrote back thanking me for writing and said she was aware of the missing scenes, and they were in the process of restoring them. I don’t know if they were ever shown at the museum again, so I can’t say if they restored the scenes. All the same, it was a wonderful exhibit, and I wish I could have been able to see all the movies (I only got to see OHMSS, Diamonds Are Forever, The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker).

frankcan
frankcan on August 20, 2005 at 1:09 pm

Hi Bill, I remember that screening at the MOMA, that was in ‘87 for the 25 Anniversary of the Bond series. I think it was also missing the scene in M’s office during the pre-title sequence. I wrote to the person at the museum in charge of the exhibit telling her how much I enjoyed the program~~they also featured many props, photos, artwork and posters from the movies as well as a tv monitor that showed pre-title sequences from many of the movies. I also mentioned the missing footage. She actually wrote back thanking me for writing and said she was aware of the missing scenes, and they were in the process of restoring them. I don’t know if they were ever shown at the museum again, so I can’t say if they restored the scenes. All the same, it was a wonderful exhibit, and I wish I could have been able to see all the movies (I only got to see OHMSS, Diamonds Are Forever, The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker).

frankcan
frankcan on August 20, 2005 at 1:08 pm

Hi Bill, I remember that screening at the MOMA, that was in ‘87 for the 25 Anniversary of the Bond series. I think it was also missing the scene in M’s office during the pre-title sequence. I wrote to the person at the museum in charge of the exhibit telling her how much I enjoyed the program~~they also featured many props, photos, artwork and posters from the movies as well as a tv monitor that showed pre-title sequences from many of the movies. I also mentioned the missing footage. She actually wrote back thanking me for writing and said she was aware of the missing scenes, and they were in the process of restoring them. I don’t know if they were ever shown at the museum again, so I can’t say if they restored the scenes. All the same, it was a wonderful exhibit, and I wish I could have been able to see all the movies (I only got to see OHMSS, Diamonds Are Forever, The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker).

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on August 18, 2005 at 5:33 pm

I saw “On Her Majesty’s Secret Service” in that Museum of Modern Art series, and the print was missing the important scene in Berne, Switzerland, in the lawyer’s office. It just skipped right over the entire sequence. And that was supposed to be a print from Broccoli’s personal collection. Never could figure out what went wrong there.

frankcan
frankcan on August 18, 2005 at 3:28 pm

Thanks all for the posts. My only regret is that I didn’t get to see Moonraker at the Rivoli, where it premiered in NYC back in 79. I just came from part of a Bond program at the Museum of Modern Art with my youngest brother, and we walked to the Rivoli and were tempted to buy tickets, but the line went around the block! Then in 83 Moonraker again played for a week with From Russia With Love, but again I missed it.
I recall seeing only two movies there, DC Cab with Mr. T and Easy Money with Rodney Dangerfield.

By the way, the Bond program was a two day event, on opening day of Moonraker they showed You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved Me, followed by a panel with Lewis Gilbert, Albert Broccoli and Ken Adam. The next day was a series of TV shows about the making of Spy Who Loved Me (which unfortunately I missed) followed by an appearance by Maurice Binder, who showed the titles for the Bond films he worked on, as well as trailers and titles for non-Bond movies.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on August 18, 2005 at 7:01 am

Thanks for the two great ads, Robert. You always see hype like “one of the greatest” tossed around in movie ads, but in the case of “West Side Story”, they were being 100% accurate.

RobertR
RobertR on August 17, 2005 at 6:31 pm

1961 re-release of “The King & I” 70mm roadshow
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RobertR
RobertR on August 17, 2005 at 6:00 pm

An order form for the Roadshow of “West Side Story"
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VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 11, 2005 at 8:28 am

Lucky you Vito.
You’re right about Carousel. It was never, ever shown in Cinemascope 55.(I believe there is a thread on that somewhere.)
Also the 30 frames was far superior to the 24 frames image so its too bad it was only used for two films.
Also interesting is that 80 Days had a much longer theatrical history than OK. Yet OK still exists in the Todd AO format and 80 Days does not.

Vito
Vito on August 11, 2005 at 7:59 am

Thanks for that info Rob, I had not known all all that came together, your posts are always so informative and educational, thanks! any more Preminger stories?
Vincent, of course you are right, it was Carousel, but didn’t Sinatra walk off for the same reasons? Carousel had to be shot twice, once in CinemaScope 55 and again in reg 35mm CinemaScope?
Perhaps Rob Endres knows the technical facts behind the CimemaScope reduction prints which apprentantly were not possible during that shooting. I am so happy to have been around to see both Oklahoma in Todd-Ao at the Rivoli and Carousel at the Roxy, although I believe Carousel was a 35mm reduction print.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 11, 2005 at 6:11 am

I believe it was Carousel Sinatra walked off of. Boy did he get bad advice from his agent. Though neither he nor Macrae were right for this musical perhaps the worst adaptation of a R and H show. But then there was nobody. You would have needed a Brando who could sing magnificently. A very young Raitt from a kinescope is tremendous but he did not have star quality on the screen.
By the way the Todd AO Oklahoma is far superior to the Cinemascope version.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on August 11, 2005 at 6:07 am

Vito: The problem with Todd-AO that caused the double shooting was the speed on the first two pictures of 30 F.P.S. which couldn’t readily be converted to 24 frame 35mm. (The same problem exists with the orignal Cinerama 3-strip features which were shot at 26 frame. While transfers to video exist of “Brothers Grimm and "HTWWW” which were shot at 24 frames to make transfer to conventional 35mm possible, no one has transferred or made a new print of any of the orignal Cinerama material possibly because of the special equipment that would be needed.) I worked as a projectionist in Otto Preminger’s home screening room for a while, and read up on him. One of the storys was that he wanted to shoot “Porgy & Bess” in Todd-AO, but Sam Goldwyn balked, saying that they would have to shoot everyting twice. Preminger told him that was no longer necessary. (“South Pacific” was the first Todd-AO film shot at 24 frames for subsequent transfer to 35mm.) Preminger got to shoot “Porgy” in Todd-AO and went on to do “Exodus” in 70mm as well.

Vito
Vito on August 11, 2005 at 4:30 am

Good notes Vincent, might I add that Frank Sinatra was originally signed on to play the lead but backed out when he heard everything had to be filmed twice, once in Todd-Ao and again in CinemaScope.
I understood that the production was not filmed simultaneously but each scene shot twice. The irony was, part way thru filming, reduction printing was improved and developed making filming the two versions unnecessary. Any idea if any of this is true? Thanks for the info on the DVD I will be looking for that.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 10, 2005 at 2:14 pm

Upcoming DVD anniversary release of Oklahoma and Todd AO.
Wouldn’t it have shown an ounce of ingenuity to show all of this on a specially installed screen at the Ziegfeld?
So ironic that Todd AO was meant to get people away from TV and now its the only place you can see it.

1955 Rodgers & Hammerstein musical film with Gordon MacRae, Shirley Jones, Gloria Grahame, Gene Nelson, Charlotte Greenwood, Eddie Albert, Rod Steiger. Includes Cinemascope and Todd AO versions that were filmed simultaneously in 1955. Extras: commentary by Ted Chapin and Hugh Fordin, Sing Along Subtitles, the trailer and a separate chapter list for songs only with a play-all feature, commentary by Shirley Jones and Nick Redman, “Cinemascope vs. Todd AO,” “The Miracle of Todd-AO” and “The March of Todd-AO” featurettes, vintage stage excerpts “Oh, What a Beautiful Mornin'” performed by Gordon MacRae and “People Will Say We’re in Love” performed by Gordon MacRae & Florence Henderson (from the 1954 General Foods 25th Anniversary TV Special), still galleries. Both versions in widescreen

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on August 9, 2005 at 7:17 am

While people bash the 70mm version of GWTW it was great seeing this at the Rivoli in ‘74. What I would give to see it like this again!
Is it really any better seeing it on DVD?
(Of course the original at the Capitol, Astor or Atlanta Loew’s Grand would be best of all.)

RobertR
RobertR on August 8, 2005 at 4:39 pm

1974 and “Gone With the Wind” was back again in 70mm but this time continuous showings.
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Vito
Vito on July 27, 2005 at 8:31 am

Vincent, I played “West Side Story” all over Long Island, New York in 1962-63 and can only recall one 70mm run, at the Syosset, which I believe was in the spring of 1962. All the other runs I did were 35mm. I don’t even recall any 35mm mag stereo prints only optical mono, mag prints were getting scarce by then.
Perhaps Michael Coate knows of some other 70mm runs im NY.

VincentParisi
VincentParisi on July 27, 2005 at 7:16 am

You have a complete Arts and Leisure from 68?!!!
Nothing is like the real paper, I wonder if these are obtainable on E bay or is this just too arcane.
By the way I wonder what was the size of the screen for West Side Story here. I have never seen this film in real 70mm as it has not been shown here in NY probably since it left the Rivoli in ‘63.