Ziegfeld Theatre

141 W. 54th Street,
New York, NY 10019

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ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 13, 2010 at 6:49 am

Vito:

I’m a little confused here. Wise’s directions say to start opening the curtains slowly at the first whistle (12 ½ feet) and have them completely open by 28 feet (when the overture design starts). Am I reading this correctly?

Best,

Gary

Vito
Vito on February 13, 2010 at 6:23 am

Thanks Gary, perhaps the curtain issue has become a sore spot for them and wanted to assure you they would be used.
While we are clearing things up I would not want anyone here to think we choose to disrespect instructions with respect to the opening of the curtains during the sounding of the whistles. Those instructions were requests from the film makers and were not demands. The only time I can recall a situation which was in the form of a demand was from Warren Beatty regarding the proper masking and lens selection for “REDS” which was part of the contractual agreement between the theatre owners (first run) and Paramount pictures. There may have been a similar situation with Woody Allen with respect to the showings of “Manhattan” due to the proper presentation of the anamorphic image.
We always tried to respect the film makers wishes but I honestly do not recall the Robert Wise instructions asking for the curtains to be opened displaying a white sheet during the whistles. In any event we would never have agreed to that at the Syosset or Rivoli.

ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 13, 2010 at 5:42 am

Hi Vito:

Just to clarify, the reason I called the Ziegfeld was just to clarify that they knew I was coming on Saturday instead of the original plan for Friday. This new manager, William, at least new to me, was very cordial and assured me that he knew all about me, although we had never met, and about the change in plans. But he did most of the talking giving me the implicit sense that he was fully aware of presentation issues, and he brought up the curtains, not me. I felt very good about that.

Best,

Gary

Vito
Vito on February 13, 2010 at 4:02 am

Gary, it was instructions like those that we received on most road show presentations. However I Am a bit confused about the opening with regard to the whistles. We did not open the curtains at the Syosset until all three whistles had sounded and I am quite sure it was the same for the Rivoli. Neither the Syosset or the Rivoli would have opened the curtains to a blank sheet (screen). Although it was close to 50 years ago I am sure the rest of the instructions were meet, they sound familiar and correct. Perhaps there were changes or a seperate directive from UA theatres.
Bill, I was very happy to hear that the instructuions were “enthusiastically accepted” and that you experiened “goose bumps”.
I was troubled, almost amused by what Gary wrote about the conversation with a manager who said the “curtains would be used” as if that were an option. My goodness I can only imagine when I ran WSS at the Syosset going to the manager at the beginning of my shift and asking “do you want curtains today” He would have thought I had gone mad.
As to the print, based on what Bill said are we to believe they are showing a 35mm mono print?
Good GOD, it’s the Apocalypse.

ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 13, 2010 at 2:56 am

Bill:

It’s 5:30 in the morning as I’m reading this—you did Robert Wise proud, and I’m sure you have a great feeling about that. I always believe that one person can make a difference. I copied all of those instructions from the booklet that comes with the “deluxe” DVD set of WSS, which every fan should have, great extras including a fabulous documentary and clips of Natalie during her own singing which was the original intention.

It took a long time to copy those instructions, I’m not a great typist, but now I’m really glad I did it. I saw a new 35 mm print at the Walter Reade last August which was great, maybe they couldn’t get that one, but the flip side is that however nice the Walter Reade is,it ain’t the Ziegfeld, and I’m getting the goosebumps just anticipating this afternoon.

I want to add for everyone, that the Museum of the Moving Image will be reopening this fall. I had the distinct pleasure of being allowed to participate in a behind the scenes “hardhat” tour of the the construction site last Saturday with the Museum director, staff and architects. As the Ziegfeldman, I am telling everybody that this will be the finest and greatest institution of its kind not only in the US, but in the world. And it’s right in our backyard in Queens. It deserves our support-I’ve been a member since it opened in 1988. They run continuous fabulous programs and will reopen with a Renais retrospective that the French government is saving exclusively for them. I can’t say enough, but I’ll stop here.

SOMETHING’S COMING, SOMETHING GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Best,

Gary

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm

The good far outweighed the bad at tonight’s showing of “West Side Story”. First the bad: it sounded like a mono print, and one reel (the one featuring the song “Quintet” and the start of the rumble) was very slightly out of sync. And that’s it for the bad. The 35mm print was in quite good condition and the sound was impressively loud. The only missing footage was part of one shot during Bernardo’s first appearance – the rest of the film was intact, even at the reel changes.

The movie had the same effect on me that it always has: I got goosebumps around 7 or 8 times. This was “West Side Story” at the Ziegfeld, after all, and a show which started with the lights being dimmed according to Robert Wise’s specifications. The manager, William, was a very nice guy and enthusiastically accepted the instruction sheet, saying he’d give it right to the projectionist. When I saw the lights go slightly down for the overture and start going all the way down when the long shot of Manhattan appeared, I felt Robert Wise would have approved.

The show had a host, radio personality Dr. Joy Browne, who spoke before and after. She admitted she was not an expert on “West Side Story”, but she was an enthusiastic fan and said a lot of funny things. One other good thing about her appearance: she stood in front of the closed gold curtains so I got a good long look at them. We talk about them all the time here, but I hadn’t seen them in a while and they’re really quite beautiful.

Only about 100 people attended, if that many. As Dr. Browne said, a lot was going on this weekend (Valentine’s Day, Fashion Week, the Olympics) which may have contributed to the low turnout. I hope Gary’s show tomorrow afternoon has a bigger audience.

JodarMovieFan
JodarMovieFan on February 12, 2010 at 6:12 pm

If we had not received so much snow (about 50" give or take), I would’ve driven up to NYC for this special showing. I suppose we’ll be hearing about how things went after the event. If you are youtube inclined, please post some video.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 12, 2010 at 1:32 pm

I just printed them out. The worst they can do to me is slam the door in my face or tell me to get lost. Besides, Robert Wise (who I met once at a revival screening of “Star!”) would want me to do it.

JeffS
JeffS on February 12, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Go for it Bill!

ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 12, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Bill:

The manager’s name is William. Print out the instructions and talk to him, just don’t mention my name.

Best,

Gary

JeffS
JeffS on February 12, 2010 at 1:07 pm

Yes, let Bill do it! He’d love that.

He’s done it at the Lafayette.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 12, 2010 at 12:59 pm

Let me in the booth tonight, show me where the dimmer and curtain control switches are, and I’ll do it! :)

ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 12, 2010 at 12:39 pm

Here are the official instructions given by Robert Wise to theatre owners and management:

WEST SIDE STORY
PRESENTATION

“ Although you will undoubtedly have your own rehearsals with the picture before your first public showing, the following procedure has been found most ideal for the presentation of the picture and should be followed as closely as possible.

A special design has been created for the beginning of the picture over which the overture is played.

It is of vital importance that the first 4 ½ minutes of this design be projected with the house lights lowered by only 25%.

For the proper presentation, please follow these directions:

  1. From the start mark, the first 28 feet of the reel is black. Over this, from the surround horns only, comes the sound of three separate whistles.

The first whistle starts at12 ½ feet At this point the curtains should be opened slowly, and the house lights lowered by 25%. Since the time required for opening the curtains varies from theatre to theatre, it must be timed so that these operations are completed by the time the overture design fades in at 28 feet.

NOTE: If any of the house lights are directed on the screen, it is necessary that these lights go out completely by 28 feet or they will wash out the design when it is projected on the screen.

  1. At 414 feet from the start mark, when the red color dissolves to the blue, the house lights should be dimmed completely or to the level at which the picture will play. This operation must be completed by the time the title WEST SIDE STORY starts to appear on the screen.

It is important that the opening is handled in this fashion. If it is not, if the house lights are dimmed all the way at the beginning, the audience will expect the picture to start much sooner then it does.

If the opening design is played with the house lights well up the audience will accept the music for what it is—the overture.

Please be good enough not to start closing the curtains with the appearance of “The End” title on the screen. There are still 5 minutes of end “credits” to be shown before the picture is completed."

Vito—now I think I have a headache…..

Best,

Gary

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 12, 2010 at 12:25 pm

Vito: I’m definitely interested!

Gary: Thanks! I’ll see for myself tonight at 8 PM. Good luck tomorrow, and please post a transcript of your presentation if you can.

JeffS
JeffS on February 12, 2010 at 11:59 am

I’m always interested.

Vito
Vito on February 12, 2010 at 11:47 am

Gary you are a good man, it it all fails and they screw it up, as they often do, it will be through no fault of yours and those of us who tried to have the presentation done right.
Should you folks be interested I would be happy to share some of the
preparations we did before and during those wonderful Roadshow runs of days gone by.

ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 12, 2010 at 10:59 am

Heads Up:

Just spoke to the manager at the Ziegfeld, who should be on for WSS tomorrow. He told me the cutains will be used. Beyond that I didn’t get into specifics with him. At my age, I’m just glad to be here (LOL). Anyway, I think it’s one of the “12 steps” that says, “One is responsible for the effort and not the outcome.”

Vito, Bill, et al. I’m trying!!!

Best,

Gary

CSWalczak
CSWalczak on February 10, 2010 at 7:50 am

Go to the webpage cited by Bill Huelbig (above) on January 27.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on February 10, 2010 at 6:30 am

I don’t see any information on the Clearview site about West Side Story OR Funny Girl. What are the exact dates? It should not be this hard to find information. It is not rocket science.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 9, 2010 at 11:47 am

Craig: Please put what Vito and Gary say into practice. It’s not that hard – I’d do it myself if you’d let me!

I’m going on Friday night and can’t attend Gary’s show, but I hope I get to experience that little touch of showmanship that ultimately means so much.

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on February 9, 2010 at 10:28 am

Craig, are you listening?

Vito
Vito on February 9, 2010 at 10:15 am

Thanks Gary, that’s all we can ask. As I am sure you are aware by reading many of the posts here that the presentation of pictures like WSS is a major part of the movie going experience for a vast majority of the people coming to the Ziegfeld. When you do things like dim the lights during the opening whistles of WSS and then part the curtains and lower the stage lights as the first beat of the overture begins you get the blood pumping, people will notice and for many who may not have experienced how movies were presented in the Road show days will think to themselves what an exciting way to present a motion picture. It’s all about putting on a show and making the experience so much more and so marvelously different from what they accustomed to at the local Plex. It’s theatres like the Ziegfeld that we can retain some of the showmanship that has been lost over the years. The Ziegfeld must go that extra mile and present the movies in a way that has been sadly forgotten. We expect that, and the movie going public deserves that. In many ways I feel you almost have an obligation to do what ever you can to keep showmanship in the theatres alive, it is after all the Ziegfeld. So Thanks, I am sure you do all you can to separate your theatre from the rest and I wish a butt in every seat for the run of WSS.

ZiegfeldMan
ZiegfeldMan on February 9, 2010 at 8:23 am

Hi Guys:

Vito, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’ll try my best and appreciate tne input.

Best,

Gary

Vito
Vito on February 8, 2010 at 12:04 pm

Bill we received instructions on many pictures with regard to the roadshow presention. In the case of “WSS” and “My Fair lady” specific requests were made due to the unusual overtures which included images. Most if not all requests were granted with the execption of “Hello Dolly”,Fox had asked that the curtains be fully opened as the Fox logo came up after ther overture.
That request, at least in my theatre, was denied.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on February 8, 2010 at 10:45 am

Vito: wasn’t that the way Robert Wise himself wanted the picture to be presented? I think you told us that on one of the CT pages, some time ago.