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Thanks for replying to my Chinatown question. If the sound wasn’t heard as it was originally supposed to be, I’d bet that it isn’t the fault of the Ziegfeld, but that of the print that was shipped there. As I wrote, the sound of first Godfather yesterday was flawless. And, though we didn’t meet, both Bill H. and I agree that the sound for Godfather II was very good. And, I’ve not had any problems with hearing the sound of the many 1st run movies and reissues that I’ve attended there.
Your clarification as to the history of the Ziegfeld is also very worthwhile. There’s a photo in the current theater of the original, dated 1927. It was a masterpiece of design by Joseph Urban, but was torn down. The artifacts are wonderful, but they are just that, artifacts. Nevertheless, many of us have commented on this site on how much we like the existing Ziegfeld. And as vintage movie palaces don’t show movies in Manhattan, the Ziegfeld is a great choice. That said, I’ve never thought there will be a battle to declare the current theater a historic landmark. Like so many others that have fallen recently, it too will fall.
Did anybody catch Chinatown in the last few days, and if so, how was the print and sound?
The wonderful long list of movies above (we’d love one for the Boyd in Philadelphia!) lists in 1973, This is Cinerama, which played before my time in 3 strip Cinerama at the Boyd in its original run. How did it play at the Ziegfeld? 35 MM or 70 MM? Surely not with 3 projectors and a special wide screen? What is the experience of seeing this movie in a theater that isn’t set up for 3 strip Cinerama?
Attended Godfather I and Part II today. Both were great prints. I had excellent sound, including side and/or back sound in the auditorium. I had a 1997 re-release in DTS, so probably digital sound.
II sounded loud and very good as Bill said, but not quite the same as I. So, I asked an usher, who walked up to the projection booth and returned, telling me “SR” which I take to mean SR Dolby.
For first run movies, the curtain is open before you enter the auditorium, there are slides, then they close the curtain briefly before the pre-show. For the classic series today, the curtain was closed when you entered the auditorium and stayed that way until it opened for commercials, then the classic movie. It was nice to sit there and look at the curtain.
When I entered, I asked the ticket taker and she said about 800 per day, not good, but not bad. That would have been Friday, Saturday. As Bill says, a good sized house considering Superbowl Sunday. I’ve attended various first run movies there with far less people attending.
They had the curtain open to scope, but as these films are flat, the black matting was seen. That shouldn’t keep anybody away, but the right way is to see curtain and film, not matting.
All things considered, an excellent experience with great prints, great sound, and fantastic movies.
The front of the theater is equally special. The interior’s primary decoration consists of paint, bands of Art Deco colors, that would have needed to be repainted anyway. The theater can still be saved.
On the Beekman page, somebody says this theater is being sold to Regal.
The word “Advertisement” above was leftover from an Internet ad. The article above is a news article.
There’s too much in this article to summarize without loss.
News of Delaware County 2-1-06
Fate is in the balance
By John Haigis, CORRESPONDENT
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Officials and historians are eagerly awaiting an engineer’s report on the Yeadon Theatre.
YEADON – The fate of the historic Yeadon Theatre hangs in the balance as officials and preservationists wait for a structural engineer’s report following a fire that damaged the theater Jan. 8.
Built in 1937, the theater was designed by famed theater architect John Eberson in a style known as “Art Moderne,” a successor to the more flamboyant Art Deco, and characterized by a sleek, streamlined appearance. “Even though Eberson is best known for his ‘atmospheric’ theatre designs,” said theatre historian Howard Haas, ‘Art Moderne’ represents a second phase of his work, and this is a rare example of that style."
The theater, which in its heyday had 1,000 seats, was purchased by Yeadon Borough after the theater closed in 2001. The borough had planned to demolish the building, but in 2003, the demolition was halted after part of a rear wall had been removed, and Borough and County officials, along with preservationists and local residents, worked on a plan to preserve the facade and lobby area and develop a community use for the remainder of the property. The Borough engaged Westfield Architects and Preservation Consultants of Haddon Heights, New Jersey to help with the preservation plan. “I walked through [the theatre] after the fire and was heartbroken when I saw the interior damage,” Margaret Westfield said. “I can’t really discuss the building’s prospects because I’m still working on my report and waiting for the structural engineer’s assessment.”
In addition to having been a prominent feature of the Yeadon streetscape for nearly 70 years, the theatre’s association with Eberson, its designer, helps to make the structure significant. Born in Romania, Eberson came to America in 1901 and established himself as one of the nation’s top theatre architects. Many of his theatres were ‘atmospheric’ consisting of grand interiors creating the illusion of a country village or Moorish palace with painted ceilings and small electric lights that mimicked stars. His designs were very popular with theater-goers of the 20’s and 30’s and his fame was such that for a period of time he was engaged by Joseph Strauss as a design consultant on the Art Deco inspired Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.
Howard Haas indicated that he had been told unofficially that the building is structurally sound, but Borough Manager Anthony Carey said, “Council is in the process of making a decision and we need information from the engineer.” One local theatre operator, Greg Wax, who operates the Narberth Theatre and the Baederwood Theatre in Jenkintown, said he would like to look into the possibility of establishing a 3 or 4 screen theatre with stadium seating on the site.~ “Theatres can help revitalization efforts”, he said, “and give people a reason to go to the business district.” He believes there is a need for a theatre to show upscale films in the area, and hopes to have discussions with County and Borough Officials. Yeadon Council President Vivian Ford said, “We are in the process of making a decision. Our consultant tells us the theatre has lost most of its historic finishes and fixtures. Because of mold and other problems, the cost to remediate will be significant.” Ford said the theatre is expected to be discussed at a special session of Council on Thursday, February 2 at 6:30 in Council Chambers, and indicated she has a large stack of e-mails from people who would like to see a theatre at that location. “We need to make the property work for us,” she said,“ and are eager to come to some resolution.”
Â©News of Delaware County 2006
Thanks for the clarification, Astrocks.
As to the Beekman, I photographed the Art Moderne hardware, in the interior, too, and I hoped somebody salvaged it.
I’m gonna miss the Beekman!
Thanks! The Yeadon theater was one I attended often for decades, seeing many movies like “The Sting” which won the Academy Award for Best Picture, and many blockbusters ranging from James Bond films to the disaster flicks. I recall Mrs. Friedman and how she furnished the lobby areas with antique furniture. The house was always full of people!
I continued attending movies in the 1990’s at the Yeadon, because I love the ambience of a historic single screen theater. The Milgram family of theater operators had taken over. The best movie I saw there in the 1990’s was “Malcolm X” for which Denzel Washington deserved an Academy Award, but didn’t get it. Never has an actor been more convincing in a biographical role.
Throughout the United States, there are vacant lots on main streets where movie houses used to be, and they stay vacant for decades. The Yeadon theater is in the middle of Yeadon’s main street, and they should consider carefully all the possibilities, including that of Greg Wax reopening the theater as a state of the art moviehouse. He has various ways of doing so, some without any funding from government.
Towns in our Philadelphia area that have kept or reopened historic movie theaters have seen restaurants, stores, and nightlife blossom! Examples include Phoenixville (the Colonial), Ambler, Wayne (the Anthony Wayne), Narberth, Bryn Mawr, Jenkintown (the Hiway), and Bala Cynywd, but there are more.
Towns that have seen their theaters close include Ardmore which let its historic moviehouse be gutted for a health club. Now the town leaders are very upset and debating a redevelopment plan most people seem to hate. If only they had kept a theater open!
The volunteers that I have led to save Center City Philadelphia’s last movie palace, the Boyd (www.FriendsOfTheBoyd.org) have seen that with the theater’s reopening announcement, many nearby restaurants have already opened- even before the theater! And, they’ve told us they opened there for the expected theater crowds. And, the street that the Boyd is on, Chestnut Street, had been dead at night. Theaters have a great effect, if they are reopened and are in the right locations to attract an audience with good programs. And, Greg Wax has shown he knows how to do so in his other theaters, no suprise, he’s a third generation movie operator!
In addition to the Yeadon, Rob Bender has other marvelous photos on his site including those he took of some open historic Philadelphia suburban theaters (Bala, Bryn Mawr, Narberth, Phoenixville’s Colonial), closed suburban theaters in Ardmore and the closed Philadelphia’s Uptown (including interior shots of this Art Deco masterpiece), and some in New Jersey and elsewhere.
I’ve put my photos of the Bala, and another open movie house in the Philadelphia suburb of Jenkintown, the Hiway, here:
Please patronize the historic theaters!
Thanks, Ross, for posting. We in the Philadelphia region haven’t done a great job in preserving our movie theater heritage. Many of us have dedicated ourselves to saving our French Art Deco movie palace, the Boyd Theatre in Philadelphia (www.FriendsOfTheBoyd.org), but it would be a shame not to also keep the remarkable “American Art Deco” (i.e. streamlined moderne) Yeadon theater designed by John Eberson.
I haven’t reviewed the numbers, but I think there are way more Loews theaters than there were GCC theaters. This will take some time, both with newspaper ads (which can go faster) and with theater signage. assuming AMC intends to rebrand the theaters.
I also hope the Tower East survives. Clearview tookover what they now call the Beekman One and Two, so perhaps they would operate the nearby Tower East. I’m also interested in seeing the Uptown in Washington D.C. continue with movies.
The Philadelphia Inquirer still lists the Loews Cherry Hill 24 in the movie clock.
As AMC announced that all theaters will be renamed?
As to signage, don’t expect instant sign changes at this many theaters! If they are going to change the names to AMC, that will take time.
Please excuse my third comment in a row, but I have just seen this posting by Theaterbuff1 at /theaters/7096/
“Actually what I really should’ve said in my earlier commentary above was that after the federal government moved its Northeast Philadelphia headquarters into the former GCC Northeast 4 building — along with all Philadelphia attorneys who practice Social Security Disability law — at that point it would make perfectly good sense to bring out the wrecking ball and go ahead and knock the whole building to the ground.”
My question is whether Theaterbuff1 is saying he would use a wrecking ball or other means of destruction like a bomb to attack a federal building and kill people inside. After Oklahoma City and 9-11, we should all be on the alert for such threats, and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other government agencies would be interested in knowing of such threats or intentions of death and destruction.
As New York City pages including the Ziegfeld page seem to be the pages most heavily used, it seems appropriate given his comments above, to enter this here. Like all Americans, Philadelphians were shocked at 9-11, and we don’t need these kinds of postings.
I don’t find the post amusing, especially he knows that I am among the lawyers he is referring to. And, before I hear his reply, I will say that I’ve never advocated for the destruction of any theater building. I’ve volunteered since 2002 to save movie palaces and theaters and other buildings, not destroy them.
Theaterbuff1, are you advocating destruction of a federal building and death to federal employees by use of a “wrecking ball”? Are you suggesting you might man the “wrecking ball” or bomb a federal bulding? Or that you might seek other people to do so? If so, there are government agencies that may wish to interview you, starting with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the F.B.I, and the Philadelphia Police.
On 1-27-06 at the Ziegfeld page /theaters/12/
Theaterbuff1 wrote “in no instance have I ever requested that merchants, Hollywood, or the City carry the burden themselves.”
But, on 1-17-06 above, he wrote: “Thus I would suggest the city should foot the cost of its full restoration and day-to-day operational expenses….”
It is my impression that customers don’t have a hard time finding WalMart and Target stores, which serve themselves as showrooms. Those companies neither need to, nor will, ensure a future for the Orleans.
Also, my political views have never been expressed on the Internet or the media. My political views are not the business of cinema treasures. Considering how he manages to relay his own views, TheaterBuff1 should not be attempting to relay or interpret my views of historic figures that he may gleam off site in any way including replies to emails. Nor should he be extracting such comments from direct email correspondence. I am not going to comment on this website or any other on which historic figues I admire or don’t.
Theaterbuff1 is used to putting down people as “Taliban” and the like (see the Holme theater pages above), since they don’t have views as he does, but this website is supposed to celebrate our movie palace and movie theater heritage, not comment on people’s politics.
After hdtv267 referred above, yesterday, wrote
“I’m looking forward to the upcoming schedule announcement and actually doing something to help bring back a great old theatre and just not pontiificate about it and expect merchants to perform magic tricks.”
I wrote above “we have never requested merchants, Hollywood, or the City to carry the burden by themselves, as the other gentleman has suggested.”
I’m am a very precise attorney so as TheaterBuff1 says that’s not his expectation, I copied below his quotes from the 3 theater pages on this website at which he proposes that merchants, Hollywood, and the City carry the burden, and I urge everybody visit those theater pages and read more. Of course, merchants, the city, and Hollywood, are not going to save the Orleans from demolition or reopen the long closed Mayfair or Holme theaters.
Now whether it’s to be a Wal*Mart or a Target store that’s to be taking over that site, whoever it’s to be could foot the entire bill of restoring and covering its day-to-day operations in such a way so that on their behalf it could serve as a major showroom for their products, ranging from carpeting to tile to curtains to toilets to DVDs they sell of movies being exhibited there and so on and so forth. 1-27-06 AMC Orleans 8, Philadelphia
Thus I would suggest the city should foot the cost of its full restoration and day-to-day operational expenses rather than any private benefactors or corporate sponsors assuming this cost. 1-17-06 Mayfair Theatre, Philadelphia /theaters/8257/
And it wouldn’t be a case of Hollywood’s getting behind restoring this building as a theater as an act of charity, mind you, but rather, in full recognition of its tremendous money-making potential, and in terms of creating the perfect prototype of the neighborhood theater of the future. 12-15-05 Holme Theatre
Although I am sure you are referring to someone else who posts on certain Philadelphia theaters, rather than me, that might not be clear to readers on this theater page. The Friends of the Boyd and Committee to Save the Sameric have already done much to save the Boyd and advance an excellent restoration and program. We are now working with the new theater owner, Live Nation, to accomplish our mission. Of course, we have never requested merchants, Hollywood, or the City to carry the burden by themselves, as the other gentleman has suggested. Fortunately, Live Nation is making a tremendous investment, and we will assist in any way we can. Other thoughts about the Boyd should probably be directed to that page rather than this one.
I am not a huge fan of movie musicals. I didn’t like Chicago. I was charmed by Moulin Rouge, which I also saw at the Ziegfeld. I skipped seeing anywhere Rent and The Producers. I would have seen The Producers, but the critics said it looked like they just filmed the play raher than making a movie, much like what you are saying.
To comment further on Rhett’s remarks, I think the Rings might have an audience, especially for people who want to see them all at once on the very large screen. Gladiator is also a movie that plays much better on the large screen than on a TV, but I’m not sure if it reached any legendary status among filmgoers. We all know Ben Hur reached that status.
Frankly, I’d doubt there is going to be a huge success during weekday screenings of the same movies playing during the weekends. I hope many attend the weekend shows.
We don’t have dates or films scheduled yet. We are working towards this goal.
Most likely our films will be during the summer.
I don’t understand why the link doesn’t work, but I tried it and you are correct. No problem directly going onto our website.
In the meantime, our 1980’s Philadelphia themed film will be at International House in Philadelphia on Friday eve May 12, in 35 MM, Brian DePalma’s Blow Out.
We know we will see you, Vince, at our 70 MM film shows at Philadelphia’s Boyd, www.FriendsOfTheBoyd.org, which we are working to have after the movie palace reopens.
There aren’t very many theaters that can still 70 MM since so many have closed. There are others in NYC that would be wonderful venues that likely still have their 70 MM projectors such as the Paris theater.
I’ve seen almost all of these movies on large movie screens, most in reissue, the newer ones when issued, but I haven’t seen The Godfather II on a movie screen and have been eager to catch it immediately after The Godfather I. So, I am looking forward to enjoying The Godfather I and II on the large screen. I think II was issued in 35, not 75, so I won’t be worrying about format. And, I am grateful that we are getting so many great films in 35 MM. Of course, I’d love to see a 75 MM film festival at the Ziegfeld and at Radio City. If many attend this event, then with credibility we could make such a request.
They usually (though not always) use a curtain, but if a projectionist doesn’t, people should tell them that classic film fans NEED a curtain!
I saw Chicago when it was issued at the Ziegfeld, and doubt it was a wise choice, but maybe there are fans who will see it.
Everybody should spread the word, because Rhett is right on the money. The Ziegfeld needs way more people attending than the usual suspects on this site in order to be interested in hosting more classics.
Yes! That’s a splendid way of using positive thinking to return the moviehouse to single screen daily operation as a “classy neigbhorhood movie theater” in our great city!