Capitol Theatre

1645 Broadway,
New York, NY 10019

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William
William on July 1, 2014 at 5:01 pm

The NYC roadshow run of “Cheyenne Autumn” was also about 8 weeks too at the Capitol theatre.

bigjoe59
bigjoe59 on July 1, 2014 at 1:26 am

to William-

thanks for the info. as you state the 179min. cut was just used in previews and was cut to 158mins. for the premiere roadshow runs like the one at the Capitol. so however long the film’s roadshow run was at the Capitol the Dodge City sequence was intact the entire run and was only cut for the general release prints which went to neighborhood theaters around NYC.

William
William on June 30, 2014 at 11:32 pm

The film previewed at 179 minutes, but audience reaction was poor and the studio recut the film to 158 minutes for the roadshow engagements. The general release version runs 148 minute. On the west coast it roadshowed at the RKO Pantages Theatre, but that run was just 8 weeks. Their next roadshow was not till July just like the Capitol. I don’t have a number for the roadshow run at the Capitol. It may have a low number of weeks too.

bigjoe59
bigjoe59 on June 30, 2014 at 10:19 pm

Hello-

a further question about Cheyenne Autumn. was the engagement of the film which opened Dec. 1964 a traditional 2 shows during the week and 3 on the weekend roadshow engagement?

Bobb
Bobb on June 30, 2014 at 7:08 pm

I saw comments on the Screen at the Capitol. It was also perforated and I was in the theater when they installed it. It was strips of material so it could hung from top to bottom and be able to have a curve. Before the Cinerama was installed. David Selznick visited the Capitol. He wanted to do a stage production of “Gone with the Wind” and discussed with my Dad his plan for placing equipment in do be able to show the burning of Atlanta. Mr. Selznick produced the original Gone with the Wind for the Screen.

The Capitol had a great stage.

Bobb
Bobb on June 30, 2014 at 6:49 pm

You are correct. It was 1959-1966. He then became a district manager. Thanks for the correction.

Bob

William
William on June 30, 2014 at 6:40 pm

Bob , Congrats on your fathers 100th birthday. But the Capitol Theatre did not make it into the 1970’s. It closed in 1968 with the film “2001” (24 week run at the Capitol). “2001” moved over to the Warner Cinerama to finish the run that started at the Capitol.

Bobb
Bobb on June 30, 2014 at 6:16 pm

I just wanted to announce that my father managing director for the Capitol during the 60’s and 70 s. just had his 100 birthday were we honored him for being our Dad (Edward Brunner) but also for his 45 years with Loews Corporation including being manager of Valencia, Queens and the Loews New Rochelle, NY. He started as an usher for the Loews 83rd Street and remember leading Babe Ruth to his seat giving my father a tip. Ushers had to wear gloves.

This was the start during the depression for his career. I spend all my weekends as a kid going with my Dad to work and hanging our with the managers along Broadway.

I went on to both Graduate from the American Film Institute and then make documentaries for the U.S. Navy.

Bob Brunner

bigjoe59
bigjoe59 on June 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm

Hello-

thanks for the info on Cheyenne Autumn. another question. from when i went with my parents to when i started going by myself one thing i always liked about reserved seat engagements was buying the souvenir program in the lobby during intermission. i have approx. 135 in my collection most of which i bought at theaters. others were purchased in memorabilia stores. which is where my question comes in. did Cheyenne Autumn have a souvenir program? i can’t imagine a big epic like CA with a big director and big stars released on a reserved seat engagement not having a souvenir program. yet in all memorabilia stores i have been to and all the online memorabilia sites i have looked at i have never seen one. in fact there are a few others big even award winning reserved seat films i have never come across a souvenir program for. i always thought roadshow engagements and souvenir programs were inseparable like peanut butter and jelly.

bigjoe59
bigjoe59 on June 16, 2014 at 10:31 pm

to AL A-

you are always quite helpful with my questions. to which could you please go to the Strand/Warner Cinerama page and see if with your font of knowledge you can answer my question about The Greatest Story Ever Told which opened at that theater Feb. of 1965. thank you.:–)

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on June 16, 2014 at 8:40 pm

According to the NYT in April 1955, the Paramount VistaVision screen was 64ft x 35ft, the Roxy Cinemascope was 64.5ft x 26.5ft, the Warner Cinerama was 67ft x 24.5ft.

BobbyS
BobbyS on June 16, 2014 at 8:40 pm

Thanks Robert….Once in awhile I see the ToddAO name in the credits of todays movies. I wonder if it is the same process being used. Even the largest screen in a multiplex, not counting IMAX, is not even close to the Michael Todd’s screen. I can only imagine the thrill of the Capitol’s.

RobertEndres
RobertEndres on June 16, 2014 at 8:19 pm

In answer to BobbyS' questions: ToddAO was Mike Todd’s answer to Cinerama. He’d been in volved with Cinerama and wanted a process to emulate it with the picture “coming out of one hole” as opposed to the three projectors required for Cinerama at the time. The process was named after him and the American Optical company which developed the 70mm process for him. “Around The World In 80 Days” was his signature picture in the process. In a sense it combined the wide screen of CinemaScope with the sharpness of VistaVision which used two frames of 35mm moving horizontally through the camera to provide a larger negative.

Coming from Illinois I saw quite a few 70mm presentations at the Michael Todd, and I suspect the Capitol’s screen was much larger. The Michael Todd was converted from a legitimate theatre (either the Selwyn or the Harris I can’t remember which was which since they were both taken over by Todd and were side by side – the other house was the Cinestage after Todd took it over and was also 70mm equipped), therefore it wouldn’t have been as large as the Capitol which was a true “movie palace”. Nonetheless, the screen had great impact because it was proportioned to fit the house just as the Capitol’s was.

BobbyS
BobbyS on June 16, 2014 at 8:03 pm

Thanks AlAlvarez. Was this screen as large as the Capitols? I remember seeing “Around the World in 80 Days” at the Michael Todd theater in Chicago in a very large cinerama-type screen. I believe it was super 70mm because there were not the usual 3 panels, but the screen was as large as Cinerama. Also what did Todd-AO mean? Was that a form of Cinemascope only larger? Thanks everyone. Glad everyone is back……..

BobbyS
BobbyS on June 16, 2014 at 8:03 pm

Thanks AlAlvarez. Was this screen as large as the Capitols? I remember seeing “Around the World in 80 Days” at the Michael Todd theater in Chicago in a very large cinerama-type screen. I believe it was super 70mm because there were not the usual 3 panels, but the screen was as large as Cinerama. Also what did Todd-AO mean? Was that a form of Cinemascope only larger? Thanks everyone. Glad everyone is back……..

AlAlvarez
AlAlvarez on June 16, 2014 at 2:49 pm

BobbyS, the Warner Cinerama was the Strand. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2975

William
William on June 16, 2014 at 2:27 pm

Remember the “How the West Was Won” was 3-panel Cinerama which had a 6 perfs to the frame and 70MM had only 5 perfs. So the 3-panel presentaions had a larger screen to the 70MM. When the Capitol Theatre became a Super Cinerama house in 1962, the screen was 3000 square feet and was louvred.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on June 16, 2014 at 12:28 pm

I’m giving the edge to the Cinerama screen at the Capitol. Something about the curve, the way it just enveloped you. Really amazing.

BobbyS
BobbyS on June 16, 2014 at 5:40 am

I have tried to get Warner Cinerama page and only got Warner theater which of course is gone. How did the screen at the Capitol compare to todays IMAX screens?

bigjoe59
bigjoe59 on June 16, 2014 at 12:54 am

Hello-

thanks to William for the tech info. a additional question. I don’t know what the dimensions of the screen was when How The West Was Won played here starting April 1963. to which my question- when Cheyenne Autumn opened here Dec. 1964 how much of the screen that the HTWWW projection covered was covered by CA projection?

also I wanted to ask a question about The Greatest Story Ever Told so anyone who is knowledgeable about the Warner Cinerama please take a look at that page. thank you.

Bill Huelbig
Bill Huelbig on June 15, 2014 at 1:52 pm

Thanks Jfg718 and William for describing the Capitol screen so vividly, bringing me back to the one and only time I saw it, “2001: A Space Odyssey”, 46 years ago today. I too think it was the largest screen I’ve ever seen, even after all these years.

William
William on June 14, 2014 at 1:04 pm

For the film to use the full Cinerama screen the studio would have to pay a surcharge. And with that surcharge they can present the film in Cinerama on the Full Cinerama screen plus use the Cinerama name in ads. The three lists I have seen show that this was just a standard 70MM presentation. The Full Cinerama screen at the Capitol Theatre was 90' x 33'. All Super-Cinerama houses had an extra stop for their masking console in the booth: Cinerama / 70MM / CinemaScope / Flat or Wide (1:85).

Jfg718
Jfg718 on June 14, 2014 at 8:37 am

While I can’t recall using “cinerama” in the ads, I can tell you I saw Cheyenne Autumn at the Capitol during Christmas week 1964 and I recall it being projected on as large of a screen as I had ever seen. If memory serves me correctly when the red curtains opened it revealed a screen from floor to ceiling encompassing about the entire length of the theater. I remember the overwhelming size since I sat in the first row! So it’s quite possible the screen had the same dimension as the cinerama screen used for How the West was Won.

bigjoe59
bigjoe59 on June 14, 2014 at 1:54 am

Hello-

its nice to know the sending of messages has returned. i guess the disruption will remain a mystery.

now a few weeks back i mentioned i was 99% sure that Cheyenne Autumn which opened here Dec.1964 was a single lens Cinerama film or as the ads would said- “presented in Cinerama”. i had no newspaper ads or mail order forms to back my 99% certainty. now my fellow posters have stated in reply that this was not the case. so trying to figure a reason for my 99% certainty maybe i read an ad that said something like “see it on the giant Cinerama screen” since the Cinerama was still up maybe they figured lets use it as a selling point.

William
William on June 13, 2014 at 8:37 pm

For a film to be presented in Cinerama, the studio had to sign and pay a surcharge to do so. The D-150 system had the same surcharge for presentations. And my messages just started up again like everyone else in the last few days.