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Bway commented about Grandview Theater on Sep 20, 2004 at 8:32 am

We have been trying to locate the location of the Ridgewood Folly for months, so I hope this is true, because this has to be the third or fourth time someone mentioned the “actual” location of the RIdgewood Folly, only to discover a time later that that information was wrong. I have no reason not to believe this is the proper loction of the Ridgewood Folly.
The Ridgewood Folly was the first theater to play motion pictures in Ridgewood, so it is a historic theater. If in fact the Grandview replaced the Folly, the site has double significance because as lost memory mentioned, the Grandview was the site of the longest running open air theater too.
So now comes the important thing. If this can be verrified to be correct information, and I am leaning towards believing this, does the Ridgewood Folly section of this site have to be deleted since the Ridgewood Folly may have been on the same site as the Grandview Theater? If they occupied the same site at different times and buildings, but were totally different entities and theaters, can they have two seperate listings, or are they considered one?

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 19, 2004 at 10:55 pm

Not to go crazy on this, but how do we know for sure now that this is correct. This would not be the first time that we thought we solved this mystery. This time I am not considering this solved until I see in print that this is the proper location. Too many people have said it was in one place, only to be corrected a time later that it was in another. John seems pretty sure, but then again, so did Sally a few days ago for a different location, along with other people saying it was somewhere else.
John, how do you know for sure that this theater was on on Grandview Ave? No offense, but this time I have have to be skeptical, because this happened too many times already.

Bway
Bway commented about Plaza Theatre on Sep 19, 2004 at 5:53 pm

It would be great to see the photos you took. You can’t post them on this site, but maybe you can put them in an www.imagestation.com album or something.

Bway
Bway commented about Monroe Theatre on Sep 18, 2004 at 2:30 pm

That is a great story! That was one tough young lady, and that guy certainly chose his “victim” wrong!
The great thing is that all these theaters have great little stories like this.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 18, 2004 at 9:54 am

Unfortunately, the replacement theater at the Ridgewood Folly site, whatever it’s name (Ridgewood Folly again or some other name), that is now the VG Nichols building was obviously an unsuccessful theater, that probably closed soon after it opened, maybe just a few years. Unfortunately, there is only a span of a few years that it may have been a theater, so very little information exists on it.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 17, 2004 at 7:20 pm

That’s the address. The building is on the corner of Madison and Myrtle. The Ridgewood Theater was 1673 in the Brooklyn system, and the Ridgewood Folley was just down the block.
So if cinematreasures wants the original Ridgewood Folley address from when it was in operation, it was 1651 Myrtle Ave.
If they want the current address of that building in the Queens Numbering system from the 1930’s and later, it was 55-05 Myrtle Ave (it makes more sense, as 1651 Myrtle is a dead address since the 1920’s, and it will not be able to be located on any current maps).

So personally, I think they should put 55-05 Myrtle Ave which is the current address for the Ridgewood Folly Theater site.

Bway
Bway commented about Brookhaven Multiplex Cinemas on Sep 17, 2004 at 5:31 pm

The lastest I have heard is that Target Stores is interested in the Multiplex Cinemas buildings. It doesn’t look like it will ever be a theater again, as it appears mostly large stores are showing an interest in the huge building.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 17, 2004 at 5:26 pm

Thanks Sally, and we couldn’t have solved this one without your input.
As for the address, I don’t know how cinematreasures deals with the address changes. What I mean is the current address of the Ridgewood Folly’s location (the VG Nichols Building) is 55-05 Myrtle Ave. That is of course in the Queens Numbering system that was implemented through the 20’s and 30’s. However, when the Ridgewood Folly operated, Myrtle Ave was still using the Brooklyn numbering system. I don’t know if cimematreasures would want the current address or the “dead” address of the location from when the theater operated.
Warren, since the Ridgewood Folly is only a few buildings west of the Ridgewood Theater, and we have the old Brooklyn system number for the Ridgewood (#1673), is there a theater listed in your Film Daily books on Myrtle Ave that is only a few numbers less than 1673? The Ridgewood Folly had to be 16XX Myrtle Ave in the Brooklyn numbering system. Since the Ridgewood was 1673 Myrtle and the Madison was 1562 in the Brooklyn system, and the Ridgewood Folly had to be between 1562 and 1673, but very close to 1673 because the Folly is only a few stores down from the Ridgewood Theater.
Personally, I think it should be listed as 55-05 Myrtle Ave, since that location was that number since the 1920’s when Queens went into the new numbering system.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 7:13 pm

Sally, this is good news. This is the first time I have clearly heard that the current Triangle Furniture (VG Nichols Buildings) was in fact a theater at one time, even if ever so briefly.
Through private email, me and lostmemory had determined that the current VG Nichols buiding was built in 1918, and was a replacement theater to the original Ridgewood Folly (name of replacement theater unknown). It was a very short lived theater. In 1918, the movie business was still an open slate, and there were many small theaters in the area, so it was a good idea to replace the older Ridgewood Folly building. However, once in the 1920’s when movies became more popular, and the legit theaters in the area (the RKO Madison and the Ridgewood Theatre) started playing movies, it probably was a big blow to the little theaters such as this one. By the 1930’s the “New Folly” (or whatever it was called) closed and the building was slightly altered, and Triangle Furniture took over the site…putting their name on the marquee (wouldn’t it be ironic it it was the “Triangle Theater”?). This would explain why the building has a marquee, why it has a high ceiling in the store, and why the building doesn’t look like your typical “apartments over stores” building….because it was a theater!
I think the mysterious “Ridgewood Folly” has finally been uncovered. It was located at 55-05 Myrtle Ave.
Now we just have to figure out if the short lived replacement theater was also called the “Ridgewood Folly” or if it had some other name for it’s short existence in the VG Nichols Furniture building.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 3:34 pm

There didn’t need to be a nother building there between 1918 and 1928. If the original Folly closed in 1918 and the new building built in 1928, the original Folly Building could have sat there either vacant or in some other use until it was torn down around 1928 to build what is now the VG Nichols building. It only says the Folly closed in 1918, not that the building was removed too in 1918, I don’t think.
But this still doesn’t solve the fact that the Triangle Furniture building still screems that it was built for the use of a theater!

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 1:06 pm

I think we may have confirmed that this is the site of the Ridgewood Folly. The tavern was the lot to the right, and pushed onto madison Street, between the Folly and the first 6 family house.

Quote:Today, those two lots are listed as one lot. The deed was probably amended when the Triangle Furniture store was built.

I still think that when the Triangle Furniture store was built, it was built as a theater replacement to the Folly. I still say all the clues are there that it may have been a theater before Triangle Furniture. Again, I saw the high ceiling in the back, and the marquee could mean theater. In addition, the upper floors do not look to be apartments in the past or even presently. I still think it was a short lived theater.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 12:53 pm

Thanks Sally. While the current building located on that site is definitely not the old Folly seen in the photo. The current building is the same building as seen in the queenspix.com photo of Triangle Furniture, and probably does date to the 1920’s. I still believe the Triangle building may have started as a theater, perhaps a replacement of the Folly at first.
If you can, please find out what you can about it.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 12:33 pm

Interestingly, the building is different than the surrounding buildings if you look at the photo in the link postd above at queenspix. The building has larger windows than the normal apartments over stores buildings, and like I said, the downstairs appears to have a high ceiling in the back.
Yes, i do believe that the VG Nichols (Triangle) building appears newer than it’s neighboring buildings, but not by much. I will say that it looks pre-1930. It is very possible that the VG Nichols building was built after the Ridgwood Folly was torn down (and it fits into the puzzle). Now whether VG Nichols was a theater before Triangle Furniture is still a mystery, but it does seem like more than a cooincidence that the VG Nichols building keeps coming up as a potential theater site. It just may be the proper location of the RIdgwood Folly, but I can’t say for sure.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 10:32 am

Wow lostmemory, thanks for all the research. This is interesting that a building was razed in 1928 on the VG Nichols property. This well may be the location of the former Ridgewood Folly Theater, and the original FOlly building torn down at that point , and the current VG Nichols building built on it’s site. Maybe a replacement theater replaced the Folly in that building that may have been short lived.
As for the Blockbuster building, check your email for something.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 9:18 am

You are probably right Peter, it may have been cut in half at that point, and just don’t remember it (at 12 actually).
as for the balcony being closed pretty early on, even though still “part” of the main theater, that is probably true. I remember going as a young child to see Disney movies there, and wanting to go up to the balcony, but there was always a chain across the stairway. I was never in the balcony until I was up there for the balcony theaters.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 8:57 am

I really thought the downstairs was still one theater in 1982 for ET. Could it be possible that the first multiplexing just cut the balcony off from the main theater? I would cetainly not remember if the balcony was or wasn’t attached when I saw ET downstairs.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 7:32 am

I don’t know if we solved the Myrtle Theater mystery yet. Maybe Warren can help us out with his Daly books if 55-05 was ever a theater. The more I research it, the more it leads me to believe that VG Nichols was a theater at some point, even if long ago, and for a short period of time. The VG Nichols building is definitely not the same building that is shown in the above Ridgewood Folly photo. However, remember that the Ridgewood Folly closed in 1918, and the current VG Nichols building built on it’s site, maybe a short lived theater before becoming the furniture store.

It still is also possible that 60-15 Myrtle, now a Blockbuster was also built as a theater as mentioned above. What’s difficult is that Both Blockbuster and VG Nichols buildings could have been a different number in the old numbering system of Queens.

Bway
Bway commented about Patchogue Theatre for the Performing Arts on Sep 16, 2004 at 6:52 am

I never said they were original in the introduction (I’m Chris), I just said they were “restored” meaning it was made to look like it was when it opened. The entire fascade was redone after the fire in the 50’s. The front of the theater was made narrower, and another store thrown in. The marquee was made half the size of the original at that point, and the building was done in a light blue 50’s style brick.
When they restored the theater to it’s turn of the century appearance in the 90’s, they took over the store to the left (which was originally part of the lobby when built), and restored the marquee to it’s original size.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Sep 16, 2004 at 6:43 am

Okay, Maybe ET was when the downstairs was cut in half. I know for fact that I was sitting on the left edge of the theater downstairs, because I remember the exit door signs on the left while watching the movie. I could swear it was still one theater downstairs but it was a long time ago, and I was still a kid, so can’t be 100% sure. As for the multiplexing, yes it was very quick that they did it. I remember when it was made into 3 theaters, and I couldn’t understand how they did it (remember, I was just a kid). It became a 5Plex very soon after that though, within a year or two, and I was even more astonished at that point as to how they did it.

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Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Sep 15, 2004 at 8:55 pm

Possible, I was still a just a kid when they started dividing it. I could swear however that it was still one theater (or at least the orchestra level was still intact) when I saw ET there, and that was in 1982. So either the balcony was partioned off at that point making it a duplex, or the “cutting-up” didn’t start until after 1982.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 15, 2004 at 8:48 pm

The 2nd mystery building, with the now removed marquee that now houses Blockbuster Video is 60-15 Myrtle Avenue.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Sep 15, 2004 at 8:41 pm

Thanks. I thought that was the configuration.
All the cutting up happened in the early to mid 80’s. By the late 80’s, it was a 5-plex.
Some time in 1981 or so, was when the first cutting up happened.
I believe that the Ridgewood was first duplexed. (partitioning out the balcony).
A year or two later it was triplexed. (cutting the orchestra level in two.
Finally, a few years later, it was 5-plexed. (partioning the balcony into three theaters. Come to think of it, I was never in the “left” balcony theater (if facing front). Most of the movies I had seen since the 5-plexing were in the right balcony theater.

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 15, 2004 at 8:34 pm

Ah yes, I think that is the building that Blockbuster is in now, not the building that still has the marquee a few stores down. That building is different than the rest of the block, right across from where the A&P used to be. In the early 80’s, it became a different furniture store, with a few floors of furniture, and they removed the marquee, and refaced all four floors of the fascade of the building. It closed in the early 90’s, and now Blockbuster video occupies the main floor. Yes, I am tempted to believe that was a theater at one time, but certainly not sure. If we can find out the address of Blockbuster, maybe we can research it further.
The VG Nichols building is very likely to have been a theater, but now that you mention it, so does this one.
Kind of ironic if a former movie theater is now a Blockbuster Video….

Bway
Bway commented about Ridgewood Folly Theatre on Sep 15, 2004 at 8:25 pm

I know exactly which building you mean. The marquee is still there, IINM. I think it was also “Ideal” women’s clothes at one time. I don’t know if that was a theater or a marquee for a fancy store originally. The buiding does have the same brickwork as all the surrounding buildings that are your typical “apartment over stores” buildings, so I am not sure about that one….unless you mean the building where Blockbuster now is, which I think also had a marquee at one time, but was removed years ago (when it became Roman’s? Furniture, before becoming Blockbuster).

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Bway commented about Ridgewood Theatre on Sep 15, 2004 at 8:19 pm

I had seen many movies in the 70’s in the Ridgewood when it was still one theater, with a balcony. I don’t remember exactly when they fist duplexed it (partitioning off the balcony), but I did see ET there in 1982, and the orchestra level was still one theater (although don’t know if the balcony was already another theater or two yet. The Ridgewood still had curtains yet, and they would open and close a few times before and after the previews, and before the main attraction.
I also saw a few movies years later in some of the balcony theaters, remember looking up at the ceiling, and seeing the part circle of the plasterwork ceiling. The added walls dividing the balcony and of course cutting the ceiling dome in pieces up above. The fancy balcony banister was still there right to the last time I was in the theater to see Friday the 13th Part 5 or 6. That was in the right balcony theater if you are facing front.
I can’t remember how the Ridgewood is divided up, is it two theaters downstairs, and three in the balcony? Since the Ridgewood was originally a legit theatre, the stage should be huge, and they could probably get at least another theater in there, and maybe two. Of course that would mean further cutting up of the orchestra level to allow for hallways to the “stage theater”. It’s interior is so cut up already, but much of the old features still are there, even if “cut up” a little.