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I would think that by now those folks with a serious interest in the subject would know where to look. :–)
But since I was asked…
“2001” engagements at the CINERAMA DOME began on:
July 24, 1974
July 17, 1977
Mar. 19, 1993
Nov. 10, 1995
Visit www.fromscripttodvd.com/70mm_in_los_angeles_main_page.htm, then for info on Southern California showings of “2001,” select any of the following years 1968, 1974, 1977, 1980, 2001.
There were some engagements of “2001” at the ZIEGFELD — the subject of this thread — and they’re noted on our companion article, “70mm in New York.”
And…if anyone’s interested in the original 1968-69 roadshow engagements, Thomas Hauerslev posted a piece I researched on his in70mm site. The list on page 2 includes all of the original U.S. & Canadian “In Cinerama” bookings, most of the domestic “In 70mm” bookings and some of the international. Enjoy!
By the way, I’m not certain there were ever any “rectified” prints of “2001.” It may have been just the Ultra Panavision productions that received rectification treatment on the prints intended for Cinerama houses with deeply-curved screens.
Why would the newspapers list it as being located in Hicksville?
Was the PLAINVIEW in Plainview? I ask because newspaper advertisements during the ‘60s list it as being located in Hicksville. And further research suggests Plainview, Hicksville, Syosset, Woodbury, etc. are all a part of Oyster Bay. Anyone know for sure?
Hmmm. “Plutarchic”? The Greek biographer? “Plutarchian” maybe? Not sure what you mean…but I’ll take it as a compliment. :–)
On the subject of “The Empire Strikes Back” and the DAYTON MALL, I’ll take this opportunity to share the link to a list of the original engagement locations when the movie was first put into limited market release. It’s a pretty interesting list and was definitely fun to research. Lots of long-gone theatres on there including some definite “Cinema Treasures”!
In analyzing the list, what jumps out at me regarding Dayton and Ohio, is that Dayton (a mid size market?) got TWO bookings of “Empire” during this limited-release timeframe. Cincinnati, not surprisingly, got two. Columbus: two. Toledo: one. But the big surprise: Cleveland, which didn’t get the film at all in that initial lauch! And when they did get it upon the wide break a month later, they got it only in 35mm; no 70mm engagements for Cleveland.
The FOX THEATRE in Oxnard opened on May 27, 1969.
The CINEMA CARRIAGE SQUARE opened as a single screen on Feb. 18, 1966. Over the years, the theatre went through a series of owners, including Statewide, Loew, SRO and Pacific.
Jeff S.: what do mean “Pete is correct”? Don’t you mean “Mike and Pete are correct”? After all, I correctly stated the “To Be Continued” credit was never in the original theatrical version a couple of posts prior to Pete’s. Just pointing out it seems my post was overlooked. But in fairness to Pete, he probably was just emphasizing the fact to counter the dude who replied after me insisting the credit was present.
Anyway, to offer futher evidence (just because I enjoy beating a dead horse), I saw “Back To The Future” 14 times during its original 1985-86 run in nearly as many theaters and in both 35mm and 70mm versions. Even saw a 16mm version at a special screening arranged for my high school. NONE of those screenings had the “To Be Continued” credit, no doubt because at that time there were no plans for any sequels. (This is similar to the original “Star Wars” not initially having an episode number.)
And to be certain memory isn’t playing any tricks, I saw “Back To The Future” two more times after its video release —– in 1988 at a special “Steven Spielberg Day” at the Cinerama Dome, and in 1990 at the Avco Westwood during the “See The Future Back To Back To Back” Triple Feature preceding the release of “Part III” —– and again no “To Be Continued” credit.
Now, as has been mentioned by others, “Part II” did have a “To Be Continued” credit, and it is this that people are probably remembering.
OK, back to the Ziegfeld (no pun intended)…
The “To Be Continued” credit was added to the video version.
I’ve lived in Southern California for many, many years, but have attended a movie at the FAIRFAX only a few times. In fact, I don’t recall ever attending a “regular” showing of anything; my visits were all during the spring/summer 1990 Sunday morning 70mm series.
Among the films I saw were “Blade Runner,” “The Great Race,” and “Raiders Of The Lost Ark.”
That “Blade Runner” screening was noteworthy, for those familiar with the film’s history, for it was when it was “discovered” that an alternative cut of the film existed. (Apparently, the film cans were either mislabeled or simpy identified the film’s title without clarifying it as being an early “test” print.)
The Metro was one of San Francisco’s 70mm-equipped houses.
You don’t make it clear whether those who posted the articles in question cited their sources. I suspect they didn’t.
As long as publication name, article name, author, and original publication date is cited in one’s post, then where’s the problem? (I can see where a newspaper requiring a subscription to access a web version of an article may object to whole text being posted.)
Hopefully, Cinema Treasures posters will see Patrick’s post above and take a moment to remind themselves to start attributing more often their sources of information. There seems to be an ALARMING amount of information on this website posted without any attribution…and, worse, much of the info is just plain wrong.
This website has incredible potential, but the nature of user-submitted information sites is, in my opinion, a major credibility threat.
Historical Note: The SYOSSET was the first custom-built Todd-AO 70mm theatre in the world. (Every venue that ran Todd-AO presentations prior to the SYOSSET were retrofits.)
I believe the SYOSSET’s most successful engagement was the 78-week run of “The Sound Of Music.”
Another long, successful run was “How The West Was Won” at 43 weeks.
Is this the same theatre as the LANDERS 400?
Earlier in this thread, two people claimed seeing “2001: A Space Odyssey” at the Crest in 1968. I think this is highly doubtful considering “2001” played an exclusive run at the Esquire from the time it had its area premiere in June 1968 through spring 1969. Perhaps the posters were thinking of a subsequent engagement. But then, perhaps one theatre is being confused with the other.
It seems a lot of people have fond memories of seeing “2001” in the theatre. For those folks, here’s a link to a little something I researched regarding its original release. Page 2 of the article is a list of the original hard-ticket, reserved-seat roadshow engagements. Well, most of ‘em anyway.
Confirmed via microfilm of The Oklahoman newspaper. The Continental opened on Oct. 21, 1965.
I remember vividly that ‘89 engagement at the Dome! That was the first time I had ever seen “West Side Story,” and the presentation made a big impression on me. Details here:
View link (scroll down to September 29)
Although, as far as I know, no bookings have been made, I feel confident it will screen somewhere in L.A. at least once in the near future. We on the West Coast have been VERY lucky the last few years in regard to large-format classics. In fact, I’ll take this opportunity to relay just how cool it was to see the new 70mm print of “Grand Prix” just a few weeks ago, not to mention the slate of stuff recently screened at the Egyptian and Aero!
You’re correct; MGM currently own the rights to “West Side Story.” Sony had the rights, briefly, which was when they did some restoration work and had the print struck. (It’s getting more and more confusing trying to keep straight all of the studio mergers and acquisitions and who owns what.)
Not sure about the sound format; it’s probably DTS. Not sure about any bookings, either. If the Ziegfeld is only a platter booth, then that might be a dealbreaker, as has been mentioned earlier in this discussion, regarding the possibility of booking “archive” and limited quantity prints.
Lousy list? Seems more like you have lousy taste in movies. :–)
I notice that “West Side Story” is among the Ziegfeld’s scheduled classics. Coincidentally, I’ve heard that Sony (who now owns the rights) has recently struck a new 70mm print…
Newspaper advertisements and trade coverage suggest to me that “Empire” opened on Wednesday the 21st, not Friday the 23rd.
I’d can suggest taking a peek at the following pages. Assuming you already know the R&H titles in question, you should be able to find some of the information you’re seeking.
Regarding the June 7 screenings of “Lawrence Of Arabia” and “The King And I” mentioned a few posts back, that event also included a birthday party/roast/tribute to Tomlinson Holman, best known as the developer of the THX Sound System. For those who may have an interest, here is a link to some pics:
And speaking of Mr. Holman, he celebrated a birthday recently. Here’s a link to a photo gallery of the event.
The “Cerwin-Vega Sensurround” subwoofers you’re thinking of may be the ones installed for 70mm-MegaSound presentations ca. 1980.
“Tora! Tora! Tora!” (late 1970/early 1971).