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Joe Vogel commented about Ritz Theatre on Dec 27, 2004 at 6:27 am

Here’s another interesting puzzle. Southwest Contractor & Manufacturer issue of September 2nd, 1916, contains an announcement that architect Edward J. Borgmeyer had completed plans for a moving picture theatre at South Pasadena for a Mr. Edward N. Jarecki. The estimated cost is given as $25,000.

The same publication, in its issue of September 23rd, the same year, announced that a brick structure, one story, 3 rooms, would be built at a cost of $8500 at 804-806 Fair Oaks Avenue, South Pasadena, for Ella M. Jerecki.

Despite the variant spellings Jarecki/Jerecki, they must have been the same family, but were both of these buildings built? Was the second, smaller building built next door to the theatre, at 806? I remember seeing the Ritz back in the early 1950s, and the building was obviously a very old one- certainly older than the Rialto. It must have been the theatre referred to in the article.

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Joe Vogel on Dec 27, 2004 at 5:54 am

The address of the Capri Theatre was 6258 Van Nuys Boulevard.

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Joe Vogel commented about Fox Van Nuys Theatre on Dec 27, 2004 at 5:49 am

The Fox Van Nuys Theatre was built in 1924, by a Mr. Burnis R. Shacklett, owner of Shacklett’s Valley Furniture Store. He converted part of his furniture store into the theatre’s lobby, and the auditorium was constructed behind the existing shops.

-Southwest Bulder and Contractor, May 30th, 1924.

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Joe Vogel commented about Castle Theatre on Dec 26, 2004 at 6:44 am

This theatre was built, for himself, by a Mr. U.G. Hubbs, as was announced in Southwest Builder and Contractor, issue of March 21st, 1924. It was listed as the Castle Theatre in the Los Angeles City Directory for 1926, but the address at that time was given as 8518 S. San Pedro Street.

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Joe Vogel commented about Optic Theatre on Dec 25, 2004 at 5:46 am

The impression I got from the outside was that there wasn’t even a real theatre in there, but just a bunch of seats stuck into a former retail space some time after the building was built. But then, maybe the entrance foyer itself was bigger to begin with, and part of it was converted to retail shops later on, to bring in more rent after the Main Street theatre district began to decline. I never examined the building carefully, so I don’t remember how deep those shops next to the theatre were.

In fact, I don’t even remember how high the building was, or how far up from the intersection of 6th Street it was, though it wasn’t too far, I know, because I recall being able to see the place quite clearly from the southeast corner of 6th and Main, out in front of Whelan’s Drug Store.

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Joe Vogel commented about Hawaii Theatre on Dec 25, 2004 at 5:29 am

If they did let the mural represent the Garden of Eden, then I suppose Hollywood Boulevard itself could symbolize the Serpent.

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Joe Vogel commented about Astro Theatre on Dec 25, 2004 at 5:20 am

Not demolished in the 1960s, but it was about then that the Cozy was renamed the Astro. I think that in the ‘80s, the Astro was still operating, showing Spanish language movies. I didn’t like the new marquee signs on the Astro. The old Cozy marquee was one of my Broadway favorites- very small, but with the theatre name in big chunky letters that had a very 1930-ish streamline modern quality.

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Joe Vogel on Dec 25, 2004 at 5:13 am

I’m sure that the Astro was the Cozy. I remember that the Astro had tacky mid-late 1960s signage, so the renaming probably came at that time. I know it was still the Cozy in the 1961-1962 era. I liked the old Cozy marquee, with the name in big, chunky, block neon letters.

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Joe Vogel commented about Central Theatre on Dec 25, 2004 at 4:58 am

Not in South Central L.A., but right downtown, across the street from the Million Dollar Theatre, near the very northern end of the Broadway theatre district. I don’t remember ever seeing this building when it was still a theatre, but it must have been almost next door to the Bradbury Building.

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Joe Vogel commented about Hawaii Theatre on Dec 25, 2004 at 3:50 am

I only ever saw the Hawaii a couple of times while it was still open, and regret never having had the chance to go a movie there. I had heard about it many years before I ever began to go to Hollywood, when I was only five or six years old. My older sister had been allowed to go to the Hawaii, with the family of one of her school friends. She described the waterfall and other atmospheric effects, and the general splendor of the theatre, unlike anything in our dull suburban neighborhood, and I was very envious. That she had gotten to see a Disney movie that I much desired to see became almost incidental, so lavish was the theatre I imagined from her description.

I wonder if the place has been much changed by the Salvation Army? I can’t really imagine them maintaining the waterfall and volcano effects, despite their respective potential to serve as metaphors for baptism and the fires of Hell. I don’t think that the Salvation Army is quite that theatrical an institution.

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Joe Vogel commented about Optic Theatre on Dec 25, 2004 at 3:27 am

I would not have thought that the Optic was this large, given the look of it from the outside. It had a very small frontage, tiny ticket foyer, and virtually no marquee- just a neon sign with the theatre’s name. By the time I recall first seeing it, about 1960, it was an adult theatre, catering mostly to servicemen on leave and the unsavory characters of L.A.’s nearby skid row, who came to see what the posters out front called “Nudie Cuties.” I never went there, and I am surprised to find that a 700 seat auditorium was lurking behind that diminutive facade.

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Joe Vogel commented about Fox Pasadena Theatre on Dec 24, 2004 at 4:31 am

I just took a look at the recent aerial view of the block at Terraserver, and I can see that they have cut a new alley from Colorado Boulevard back into the block. There used to be only the one alley opening onto Colorado, right next to the theatre building. It also looks as though some of the buildings along Fair Oaks have been demolished and replaced with newer construction. I think it was part of the developer’s original plans to do this with much of the block, saving only the old fronts of the existing buildings. Many of them were small, and would have cost a fortune to retrofit for earthquake safety, and the space inside them would not have been very flexible.

I hope to get back to Pasadena some day. From what I’ve been able to piece together from web sites, the aerial photos at Terraserver, and a few first hand reports of what has been done in recent years, the changes are radical and extensive. I’d really like to take a look at it myself. I’d especially like to see the inside of the Fox, to see if there is anything at all recognizable about what remains of it.

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Joe Vogel commented about Warner Beverly Hills Theatre on Dec 23, 2004 at 5:03 am

A parking lot seems an incredibly low-end use for prime Wilshire Boulevard real estate, especially when it’s been no more than that for almost twenty years. But, given what Rolex charges for its watches, I guess they can afford the extravagance. Still, it seems to me that even had the main floor of the theatre been turned into retail space, as was the Beverly Theatre, it would have been a more economical use of the place.

I don’t remember Beverly Hills having a Civic Auditorium of any sort (or do they use the auditorium at the high school?) I would have thought that they would have been glad to spend a bit ( and take one small lot off the tax roles) to catch up with cities such as Santa Monica, Pasadena, and Glendale, which have had such facilities for decades. I doubt that it would have cost very much to convert the Warner to public use. The building appeared to have been well maintained through the years. When even the small city of San Gabriel has managed to operate a 1500 seat municipal auditorium for ages now, (and San Gabriel probably doesn’t have even a tenth of the wealth that is concentrated in Beverly Hills), it really is a shame that they didn’t make the effort to save at least this one theatre, which could have provided so much benefit to the city.

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Joe Vogel commented about Fox Pasadena Theatre on Dec 23, 2004 at 4:34 am

EJ:

The last time I was in the neighborhood was 1986, so I don’t know anything about the changes since then, other than what I’ve been told about, or have seen at the Old Town web site. But in 1986, almost every building on the block from Fair Oaks to DeLacy and from Colorado to Union was empty, and had been for many years. The area north of Union had already been demolished to make way for the big parking garage of Parsons Engineering Company.

Most of the block had by that time been bought up by a single developer, who may be the same one who eventually did the renovations, I don’t know. But when I first began to frequent the area, about 1960, it was fairly run down but still lively. The Fox had closed only a few years before, and had become the Salvation Army Thrift Shop, which also occupied the retail store on the corner of DeLacy. There was a fire door between the theater lobby and the corner store, and that was kept open all the time. The theater was still recognizable as such, though openings had been cut in the wall between lobby and auditorium, at about window height. The balcony was still there, but the stairs were roped off. The stage and proscenium were still there, too.

The rest of the block along Colorado had a number of thrift shops, a well-known used book store called Broughton’s, which was right across the alley from the theater, a large barber college, a couple of other shops I can’t recall details of, and, on the corner of Fair Oaks, in what had once been an Owl Rexall Drug Store, there was a low-priced lunchroom which seemed to change owners and names every couple of years. The best incarnation of the place was called The Family Barbecue Pit, owned and operated by a local African-American family. It was the best barbecue place in the San Gabriel Valley. The upper floors of the buildings along the block were either offices or apartments, and most of them appeared to still be occupied, even into the early 1970s.

Going up Fair Oaks, there were more thrift shops, a barber shop, a dive bar, and on the corner of Union, an unclaimed freight outlet, crammed from floor to ceiling with old trunks, suitcases, and shipping crates of all shapes and sizes. I think there was an old hotel above one of the buildings- the one with the bar in it, I believe.

I don’t have as detailed a memory of the Union Street side of the block, but I think it was mostly small workshops and warehouses, and maybe an automobile repair garage. Few of the buildings along either side of that block of Union Street had been built for retail uses. They were mostly one story brick buildings. I don’t remember any parking lot there at all in the 1960s.

The interior of the block did have real alleys in it. I was only in the one alongside the theater and the one behind Colorado Boulevard, once, when I was helping a friend load some boxes of books he had bought at Broughton’s into his car. As I recall, it was fairly tight back there, but I think that at least one of the buildings on the Union Street side must not have gone all the way back to the alley, because I remember being able to see the side wall of the theater’s stage house unobstructed.

I don’t know exactly where the plaza and the Laemmle building are, but I know that the block was solidly built up in those days, mostly with two story buildings except on the Union Street side. The last time I saw it was, of course, before the Whittier Narrows earthquake, which I know did some serious damage to many buildings in the area, so I can easily imagine some of the old buildings along Union Street being knocked down by it. I’m sure they were all unreinforced brick, and had wooden truss roofs, and few interior walls, or none at all in some cases. That particular type of building is pretty weak in an earthquake. If they were knocked down, their brick might have been used in the new construction, helping any new buildings to blend in with the others. But I don’t know for sure.

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Joe Vogel commented about State Theatre on Dec 22, 2004 at 5:20 pm

I am thinking now that, given the original name of the theatre, and the look of the original facade, the archtectural style of the State must have been that particular subset of Italian Renaissance called Florentine.

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Joe Vogel commented about Lankershim Theatre on Dec 21, 2004 at 6:19 am

Shouldn’t this theatre be listed as being in North Hollywood rather than just the general area San Fernando Valley? Or maybe all the theatres in places like North Hollywood, Reseda, Chatsworth, Van Nuys, etc, should be listed together as being in the San Fernando Valley? It ought to be one or the other, though, just to keep things consistent.

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Joe Vogel commented about Center Theatre on Dec 21, 2004 at 6:08 am

Somewhere around my house I have a copy of a magazine from about 1930, called Creative Art. It is an issue devoted to architecture and planning in New York City, and it contains sketches of early proposals for the Rockefeller Center site. At least one sketch does feature a new house for the Metropolitan Opera as the centerpiece of the design.

In another proposal, there would have been a 100' wide avenue opened about midway between Fifth and Sixth Avenues, to have run from 42nd Street to Central Park. The new opera house would have fronted on this thoroughfare. Hardly any of the proposals featured in the magazine ever got built. Instead, there was Robert Moses.

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Joe Vogel commented about World Theatre on Dec 21, 2004 at 5:37 am

Heh. I should have known! I think I might have dated one of them!

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Joe Vogel commented about Radio City Music Hall on Dec 21, 2004 at 5:31 am

Oh, OK. I only read Benjamin’s recent comment after I posted this question. D'OH! There is my answer. The Center. I’ll be sure to read the latest comments in a thread before posting questions in the future.

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Joe Vogel commented about Radio City Music Hall on Dec 21, 2004 at 5:22 am

Perhaps someone who is familiar with Rockefeller Center can answer a question for me. Many years ago I saw in a book, the name of which I can’t remember, a photograph of a theatre in, or very near, Radio City- a third theatre, besides the Music Hall and the small news theatre which I believe was later called the Guild. This third theatre was a good sized place- 1500 seats, if I recall. It was closed long ago, and the space it had occupied was filled in with floors of offices.

I’ve looked through the New York City theatre listings on this site and can’t find it among them. I don’t remember the name, but I think it must have been operated by RKO. Does anyone know anything about this vanished theatre? I think that its men’s lounge was decorated with aviation-themed photographs by a famous photographer of the 1930s, but that’s about all I can remember of it. Did I just imagine the whole thing?

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Joe Vogel commented about Warner Beverly Hills Theatre on Dec 21, 2004 at 5:03 am

I attended movies at many of Southern California’s grand old movie palaces in the 1960s, but there was always something special about the Warner Beverly. It had, and was surrounded by, an air of elegance and sophistication, almost as though it had somehow remained suspended in an earlier age while most of the other theatres had been caught in the tides of change and had fetched up on the tatty shores of the more modern world, surrounded by McDonald’s franchises and discount stores.

The last time I passed by the Warner was in the mid-1980s. I had impulsively taken a bus jaunt to Santa Monica, and, on the way back to Los Angeles, I noticed that the bus was full of hippies, by then a rare species. I wondered at the oddity, and this sudden feeling of displacement in time. Then, at the bus stop near the theatre, the hippies all disembarked, which seemed to me even stranger than their presence. What on earth could they be doing in Beverly Hills? Then we passed the Warner, and I saw the marquee. The Grateful Dead were playing a concert there! I think that this must have been one of the last events the theatre ever hosted.

But even at that late date, the facade of the Warner was still splendid. It looked as though it would last forever. When I heard, only recently, that it had been demolished, I could scarcely believe it. It is very sad that the City of Beverly Hills could not save this marvelous gem.

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Joe Vogel commented about World Theatre on Dec 21, 2004 at 4:16 am

I’ve come across an interesting reference to the source of this theatre’s original name. An article in the Los Angeles Examiner of February 17th, 1925, announced that Mark Hansen and Alice Calhoun had formed a partnership to finance a new theater on Hollywood Boulevard. The name of the new theater, the Marcal, was created from a combination of parts of their names.

This brings to a total of three the number of theatre names (that I know of) in the Los Angeles area which were created in this way. The Garmar Theatre in Montebello was named after the owner’s sons, Gary and Mark, and the three Meralta Theatres, in Culver City, Los Angeles and Downey, were named by combining parts of the surnames of their original operators, the sisters Pearl Merrill and Laura Peralta.

I wonder how many other unusual theatre names were constructed in this way?

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Joe Vogel commented about Cornell Theatre on Dec 21, 2004 at 3:42 am

I have only just realized, looking at the photograph, that I went to this theatre once. I was about six years old. We were visiting friends of my parents who lived in Burbank, one Saturday afternoon. The adults decided to send all of us kids off to the movies for the afternoon. I remember that there were multiple cartoons, and that one of the movies on the double bill was Disney’s “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.” The pumpkin scared the hell out of me. I remember coming out of the theatre after the show, and seeing the blinding afternoon sunlight of a hot summer day glinting off the marquee. The Cornell must have been only about two or three years old then. It was a splendid theatre. How sad to know that it’s gone.

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Joe Vogel commented about Hub Theatre on Dec 18, 2004 at 7:19 am

Located only a mile or so east of the lower end of the downtown theater district, the Hub would have been part of a very different, but still lively neighborhood. Transformed from an area of small farms, orchards and vineyards late in the 19th century, by 1920 the several hundred acres east of downtown had become a thriving and diverse area of small shops, factories, warehouses, hotels, wholesale markets, apartments, Victorian dwellings, churches, schools, and all the amenities of an early 20th century city neighborhood. The address of this theatre places it a block south of the Pacific Electric Interurban line which ran to Watts, Huntington Park, Long Beach, and Orange County, where it ran along Ninth Street. Local Streetcar service was also present in the area, provided by the L.A. Railway. The Hub was located less than half a mile south of what, before the construction of Union Station, was the main depot of the Southern Pacific Railroad.

With the rise of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, the first African-American labor union, some parts of this extensive collection of small neighborhoods, so conveniently situated near the railroad yards at which the passenger cars were maintained and serviced, became the place where many of the union’s prosperous members chose to establish their homes. They were the kings of the city’s still fairly small Black community, and this stretch of Central Avenue became the community’s first main street.

Some of my older relatives have told me of passing though this neighborhood in the 1920s, during its most prosperous years, before the depression. It was a very lively place. No air of its faded glamour still clung to it in the late 1950s, when I first saw it. The liveliest part of Central Avenue had by then shifted far to the south, below Adams Boulevard. Most of the houses along the once tree-shaded streets had by then been displaced by the expanding industrial district, but a scattered few still stood, and the shops and restaurants of the area catered mostly to the stream of daily workers from other neighborhoods who filled the factories, and they closed early unless they were very close to one of the wholesale markets which were busy all night.

I would like to have seen the place in earlier times, when the Hub’s marquee must have shone brightly above the passing throngs of Friday and Saturday night revelers, and its seats filled with moviegoers. Not only has this theatre vanished, but the entire neighborhood of which it was a part has gone, too.

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Joe Vogel commented about Palace Theater on Dec 18, 2004 at 6:17 am

Having checked the recent aerial image of this theater’s likely location, (at Terraserver, search on 703 S.Braodway, Los Angeles, CA, location of Loew’s State), the building in question, immediately west of the alley behind the State, does indeed appear to be a low structure of no more that two floors, with a frontage of perhaps sixty feet on Seventh Street and a depth of about 120 feet. As it is unlikely that any building put up on that lot in the last eighty years would have been a mere two story structure, this is quite likely the same building once occupied by the first Palace Theater, and vacated by it more than 84 years ago.