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William, I read that back then but that was 5 years ago and I wondered what the satis of the rooms are today.
I have a question for REndres or any of the people currently connected to the Hall.
There were/are two screening rooms which were used during the movie/stage show era, are they still in use and in what capacity.
In fairness to the wonderful peole running the theatre now the decision to use DVD comes from the Festival organizers. In most of those types of festivals etc, DVD and Digital is the popular choice.
I believe there was some 35mm used at Tribecka and Sundance but most of the movies were not shown on film.
As to the booth at the St. George I wonder what has been going on up there. I left when the new owners took over and the booth was in faily good working condition, only some work on the #2 projector gear train needed work. Anyone know if the equipment is still intact?
Rob thanks so much for that, we can always count on you to articulate the facts and teach us so much. You are truly one of this sites greatest treasures
I understand what you are saying; times sure are a-changin. Things were a lot simpler in my time and I just think they have complicated things with Digital projection at Radio City.
I fully understand the industry wanting to make the switch to Digital, the cost savings are enormous. The initial expense for the new equipment pays for itself very quickly without the print costs, shipping and man hours required with film. Ad to that the fact that the new generation of film makers, and quite a few old timers as well, who look at the bottom line and the cost differential between film and digital. As time goes by more and more of the new folks who are unfamiliar with the wonders of film will think why would I want to use that? Like Vinyl records and video tape film is slowly disappearing, itâ€™s just very hard for many of us to let go.
I would like to ask that Rob and the rest of you connected to the Music hall continue to inform us when ever film is used in any form or fashion. I for one would appreciate that very much.
Hey Rob I have been thinking, it just seems to me that the Music Hall goes through an awful lot of trouble to present Digital projection. Dragging those projectors down to the Mwzz and setting them up there along with the potential for problems with such things as errors with the digital keys and the â€œrobustâ€ encryption, and the potential for trouble if the server is opened or connections are interrupted.
It just seems to me that the risks are high for failure. I know how many problems theatres are having with theses issues from my talks with the boys I know that are still in the business. Especially with Digital 3-D.
So here we are at RCMH with a rather important premiere and they are using film as the back up. My question is if why not just run the film and avoid any problems. Just deliver the 35mm print to the booth and let he boys run it as we did for so many years problem free. They even went so far as to mount the print on a platter which then made the film presentation subject to problems with speed control card failures and of course the dreaded brain wrap.
I can’t help but think since a 35mm print was used the movie could have simply been shown in 35mm, and if the people renting the space fearded the use if reel-to-reel projectuion they could have used a MUTT which is far more reliable than a platter.
Ask yourself this, how many people in that theatre even knew the movie was being projected digitally or would have noticed the difference had it been film.
A whole lot of nonsense if you ask me, between the use of the digital and running the film on a platter itâ€™s as if they wanted something to fail.
In my day (oh no here I go again) we ran premieres and previews in 35mm or 70mm film reel to reel, and we played pictures far more important than â€œSex in the Cityâ€ and we did it with very little problem. No fuss no mess.
What are your thoughts?
Rob,What a fasinating post regarding the handling of Digital media. My goodness how times have changed since I retired.
I must say I was not pleased to hear thet after all this time a platter finaly made it up to the Music hall booth. Somehow I did not mind the use of a MUTT but platters are the work of the devil :)
It makes an old mans heart feel good to know that at least the main booth was used and did not sit dark through the performance.
Please tell us more when you can I appreciate your info so very much.
I am curious about how it was handled.
Such as are the Digital projectors still set up in the 1st mezz and was the film handled via MUTTS?
Digital I presume.
How is the presentation handled, lights curtsin etc.
Thanks Bob, that is interesting.
Having seen the picture in 3-D I guess I must have enjoyed those close ups but at my age have no memory of it :)
Thanks JAlex, I completly forgot about all the fuss made over JR and “That Dance” as it was called. Jane’s “looking For Trouble” number was filmed mostly in long shot but the church would have none of it and said NO!
I was interested in hearing about Jane not going to the premiere.
I neglected to mention on my original ost about why 3-D died off.
Besides the projection proiblems peole wewere not happy with the glasses which were uncomnforatble in some cases caused headaches.
I think that may be how the CinemScope ad campain of “The Miracle you see without glasses” came about.
JAlex I wonder how long the 3-D version of “The French Line” lasted in St. louis before it was swithced to 3-D.
Do not be disapointed cause “The Robe” was never shown in 3-D and those green and red glasses were never used in major atudio releases during the 50s. Perhaps the ads for “The Robe” that read “The modern miracle you see without glasses” confused some.
The Robe was however shown flat in some areas, production had already started when Fox decided that this was to be the first film shot in CinemaScope. As a result filming continued in both scope and flat(1.37) for theaters not yet using Scope projection
As a been there done that projectionst during the 3-D phase of the 50s I can tell you the biggest problem and probably one of the main reasons 3-D died was the projection. Many pronblems plagued us breakdowns were frequent and people just tired if it all.
Point of fact, in 1954 “The French Line” premeird at the Criterian theatre in NY. It opened in 3-D (JR in 3-D need we say more)but as a result of the projection and print problems the 3-D was dropped and the theatre showed the picture in 2-D a few weeks later.
As somweone wrote there were too many 3-D pictures released, as a result 3-D equpment was improperly installed and there were not enough qualified projectionist to show the picture properly.
One of the probems with the 1950s 3-D was with the projection. We had many problems with sync motor breakdowns and improberly trained projectionists. In addition, since we did not have mylar stock back then, film breaks and sprocket damage were problematic and repairing the left eye print to match the damaged right eye print took patience and skill. When there was a sync problem or a film break resyncing the prints took time while the audience waited and fumed. The audience grew tired of the gimmick but even more tired of the breakdowns.
Thanks Rob, I love that Blue Cross story, it’s the backstage fun stuff we rarely get to hear about
Easter 1955 click on picture to enlarge
I wonder if I could ask REndres to retell the great story about the
color mix up of the Rockettes forming the cross.
hint: Blue cross :)
Thanks William for the very informative and interesting answer to my WSS sound question.
I have a question regarding the 5 track vs 6 track versions of WSS
My only experience with 70mm WSS was the full six track version. I know that the left center and right center tracks were no longer used for music/dialogue in 70mm films post Dolby, with the two tracks used for boom tracks for sub woofers and stereo surrounds. So I am assuming the original left center/ right center tracks remixed for the 5 track version? Surly the information on those tracks was not eliminated
Hi Rob and thanks for that.
The night I went to check out the theatre shortly after â€œMaroonedâ€ opened, the fella at the console did not represent himself as a union man even though I had introduced my self as a member of local 640 projectionist union from Long Island. He seemed to indicate that not only, as you said, was only one man necessary but that in fact the man â€œup thereâ€ was not even all that necessary at all which of course could not be further from the truth and got my gander up. All this was at a time when those of us in the profession of projection for a living were getting more and more sensitive to all this new fangled automation stuff, so I guess I went in there looking for a fight. Later I got to know Steve D rather well and I can just hers him telling management in a no doubt forceful tone â€You will still need two menâ€
We had a similar situation when â€œFiddlerâ€ played as a road show in the early 70s in 35mm. Management felt the need for two men (which was always used for 70mm road shows) was no longer necessary. But the union prevailed and we ran that show in 35mm with two men in the booth.
it’s ok Stan,I take solice in knowing the boys in the booth are still there while the console is gone and the jackass who ran it
is probably an usher now.:)
No offense to ushers and the important job they do.
I look forward to that film.
Please try and include the people behind all those magnificent marquees which had to changed on almost a daily basis. They were a work of art so well thought out and attractivly presented show after show. I would walk the street from end to end just to admire them.
Hi Mark, yes I did move around a lot mostly putting out fires and training MDs. I have worked just abut every NA theatre in LI,NY and NJ. I opened a few of em as well.
Retired now but keep in touch with many of the boys.
I was Managing Director there for about 3 years if anyone has any questions
Thanks Bill, I must have mised something there. I read that thread and did not see anything I could respond to.
I will have another look, thanks
Oh yes Bill I so remember that thing. When “marooned” opened I spoke with the guy running the thing. He basically ran he lights, sound levels and may have started the show from there. But he went to far when he said something along the lines of we barely need anyone in the booth anymore now. As a projectionist at the time and concerned about all this automation stuff I was a little shall we say sensitive to that remark Man did I give him a piece of my mind.
Oh my God, the curtain thing again.
Management, please put a big sign in the booth
CURTAINS MUST BE USED AT ALL TIMES!
If they are breaking down a lot for heavens sake get a pro in there to find the reoccuring problem and fix the darn things once and for all. I spent close to 60 years in theatres and sure they broke down but we got em fixed. As to a projectionist who needs to be instructed to open and close the curtains…
please, are you kdding me. I have said this before,in my day we would have rode him outta town on a rail.
Look, I understand by now that the curtain thing at this theatre is a lost cause but I feel better bitchin about it
There I feel better now. :)