Duly noted.
My understanding of fair use in the ever evolving digital photography landscape, is that the photos posted on a site such as this and others are considered for educational and research purposes, and clearly not for profit.
I make a far better effort than most to track down original sources, and have asked permission both granted and denied.
Some grant permission and specifically ask not to be identified if they were family photos.
I will not need to “try to use it in court”, until that issue presents itself.
The CT Admins would likely be contacted first I assume, and they would remove any photos of concern accordingly, in advance of any legal action that would require that as a defense either successful or not.
But I do not speak for them.
Again, why did you choose this particular theatre where only 2 maybe 3 previous people would see your interest in justice, instead of say a theatre in New York with hundreds of previous comments and contributors to interact with?
Have you attempted to contact the CT Admins directly about your concern on this issue?
High level offenders?
Before I post photos I do a reverse image search on every one, research and assign credit to the oldest source I can find if there is one.
Some photos come up with zero history, so I use “courtesy of” and/or “via” the last source where I found them before the reverse image search brings up nothing.
On print ads I always try and do “credit of” the newspaper from where it came from if/when available.
Print ads often do not come up in reverse image searches, unless they include famous poster images etc.
I post far more photos than I do print ads anyway.
Many photos are from Public Shares on Facebook, and also get the reverse image treatment unless they are directly from historical societies, museums or specific photographers and/or their collections who are credited originally.
I often include website links as well that include the image after crediting them in advance.
On Facebook I often ask for permission, and get told “it wasn’t mine to begin with”, so I reverse search it again.
I do the same with family photos.
So you will often see “credit whomever, taken by their grandfather” etc.
I especially ask permission when they are shared to a “Private Group” that prohibits sharing of their images publicly.
Because tens of, if not hundreds of thousands of the theatres are long gone, the only record of their existence is old photos from outside sources.
As we weren’t alive to photograph them ourselves.
I personally have removed hundreds of photos when contacted and the research used has proven to have had the wrong credit or source, and the original source then declined permission to post them even with proper credit attributed.
Those images can often be found on websites, so just sharing the website link will still allow members to see the images, in the manner the credited source intended them to be seen.
Many members post photos with absolutely no credit or history whatsoever.
Some of us make a much better effort to credit sources.
And again, I remove them when asked to.
As do teh Admins I assume when they are contacted directly.
Plus there are 5 people ahead of me that have posted 1000-7000 more images than I have, and you only named one of them.
So it is odd you would choose this particular theatre to post your one and only comment since joining this site less than a year ago according to your username.
Particularly when the subject of “photo sources” is not mentioned in any of the nine comments above for this theatre.
It sounds like your issue should be brought to the CT Admins directly, if you feel rights to photos or a lack of permission has taken place on any given photos individually.
Because the Admins don’t double check every new comment, on a theatre with minimal hits such as this one.
One issue I have is that we are not notified when a comment appears under a photo, so we don’t know the original source has complained, unless they post in the regular comments in instead of or in addition to the comments beneath the photos.
No money is being made off the photos that are shared to this website to my knowledge.
TAL, they do remove the word “Demolished” when one is actually not.
The highlighted “Closed” box will remain along with teh 1 Screen when they get around to updating the correct address.
I’m familiar with how the site works, as I am a 17 year contributor with 11K+ plus photos added.
Plus the research and adding of multiple theatres previously unlisted.
IIC said “Yea the top feature was finally removed last year. I think the owner of building was hoping to keep in intact but it became a hazard of falling on someone because it was rotting out.”
The former Lyric Theatre is NOT demolished.
The address is 314 Oak Street.
Industrial Impact Corporation has confirmed to me today 1/26/21, that it is still currently in use as their offices.
Opened as the Star Theater in 1912.
Renamed the Liberty Theater in 1919.
Renamed Mesa Theater circa 1950, then back to Liberty Theater circa 1974.
Below description credit Steve & Denise Hight of Historical Photos of Fruita & Western Colorado, accompanied the circa 1945 photo credit Harold Sanborn added to the gallery.
“Pagosa Springs business district, circa 1945.
The town of Pagosa Springs, embedded in the San Juan National Forest, is the only incorporated municipality in Archuleta County, and is thus the country seat. It has a population of about 2200 people in a county with fewer than 15,000 people. It was named after a sulfurous hot spring, thought to be the world’s deepest, called by the Ute people “Pah gosah,” which means something like “stinky water.”
Harold Sanborn, owner and operator of the Sanborn Souvenir Company of Denver, took this photograph of Pagosa Springs’ business district on one of his countless photographing trips through Colorado, probably in or around 1945. The dates on the license plates are too blurry to make out with certainty –– the one on the right closest to his camera looks like it is dated 194? –– and the film playing at the theater, “Eadie Was a Lady,” starring Ann Miller, was released in January 1945.
Most of the buildings visible in this photo of Pagosa Street are still intact and recognizable today. The street runs southwest at this point. Sanborn was looking west-southwest. From the right, the first building after the liquor store was built in 1912 as the Archuleta Mercantile. The easternmost suite, the portion nearest the viewer, was the Star Theater, while the bulk of the building was given over to the mercantile. After the second of two fires, however, the building was restored and remodeled in 1919, with the Star Theater returning as the Liberty Theater, and the mercantile being replaced by the Metropolitan Hotel. When Sanborn took this photo, both of those establishments were still in business. The hotel no longer exists today, but the Liberty continued under that name until at least 1950. The owner changed its name to the Mesa Theater sometime after 1950, and kept it under that name until he sold it in 1974, sometime after which the old Liberty name was restored. (The theater’s website and the plaque on the building both say the name Liberty Theater has been used continuously since 1919, but “Box Office” magazine, which kept close track of these things, records the sales and name changes. Photos exist of the theater with the Mesa Theater marquee.)
At the time of the photo, between the theater and the hotel sat the Rickelton Drug Store, which also housed the U.S. Post Office. The next building, with the stuccoed, tiered façade, was, and remains still, Jackisch Pharmacy, which opened in 1929. The next couple of building have been replaced since with newer buildings that actually look more in keeping with the others on the street. The three-story brick building, then Hersch’s Piggly Wiggly, a franchised supermarket, still exists. The next four buildings seem to also still exist, but remodeled, and newer buildings have filled the empty lots between them. Finally, crossing Pagosa Street where it turns sharply west, the three buildings, centered by Dee’s Grocery market, also still exist, but have been refaced to look more like a single building. It is the Archuleta County Courthouse."
Photo credit Private Collection, courtesy Urban Remains.
Colonial Theatre promos are of the stage play “The Brat” which ran on Broadway March-July 1917, and was coming to Chicago as of December 1917.
Jay Barnes column 2.
I believe the Capitol Theatre photos, all of them, are correct.
The candy store to the right is in several of them, and it was the original corner entrance to the Scenic Theatre.
The Capitol entrance moved to the left after the Scenic entrance became the candy store.
The tax record photo is also the same photo.
Also the remodeling brochure image shows it to be the same Capitol marquee, with candy store to the right next door in that as well.
1972 photo credit Mark Susina from scanned negative.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mss2400/33806840522/in/photolist-TvoTSJ-ox6p7b-bBMASQ-yTsvmx-C5vbvx-23qGQQH-a4dRga-C5ncXh-222zGak-8mDmK9-A5J3J6-faui6Y-Nr9hiz-ad5xC9-zFFT2V-H79VVE-2khB8sq-2k4Jvhg-2k4E87J-835zRv-MoJqHM-aWvoa4-dYFPxE-2dsNbtx-rvDBdc-noqHnx-5Dmwy-nX6JH2-iEpmCN-bbGVmV-9YLk4s-8oUCCT-nA6ixT-oRBgAB-yNg6ud-9qwW4L-2khADm9-VVzHt9-28Vwaxa-dSk1mT-mXfeHC-2k4E79X-bRx23F-kNFWUN-pCoMHS-mWgTgi-6M9FmS-bMfvRF-kNEzKe-ppbVJH?fbclid=IwAR1xJVlZWNvT-D6BppO4gynWrqTCJ5EstXe1-S6EvVjxXzGRTSv7y2Cn7RA
Update: Photo credit Art Shay.
Hi TAL, no offense taken. Those replies were to a newer member who then deleted their comments.
Duly noted. My understanding of fair use in the ever evolving digital photography landscape, is that the photos posted on a site such as this and others are considered for educational and research purposes, and clearly not for profit. I make a far better effort than most to track down original sources, and have asked permission both granted and denied. Some grant permission and specifically ask not to be identified if they were family photos. I will not need to “try to use it in court”, until that issue presents itself. The CT Admins would likely be contacted first I assume, and they would remove any photos of concern accordingly, in advance of any legal action that would require that as a defense either successful or not. But I do not speak for them. Again, why did you choose this particular theatre where only 2 maybe 3 previous people would see your interest in justice, instead of say a theatre in New York with hundreds of previous comments and contributors to interact with? Have you attempted to contact the CT Admins directly about your concern on this issue?
High level offenders? Before I post photos I do a reverse image search on every one, research and assign credit to the oldest source I can find if there is one. Some photos come up with zero history, so I use “courtesy of” and/or “via” the last source where I found them before the reverse image search brings up nothing. On print ads I always try and do “credit of” the newspaper from where it came from if/when available. Print ads often do not come up in reverse image searches, unless they include famous poster images etc. I post far more photos than I do print ads anyway. Many photos are from Public Shares on Facebook, and also get the reverse image treatment unless they are directly from historical societies, museums or specific photographers and/or their collections who are credited originally. I often include website links as well that include the image after crediting them in advance. On Facebook I often ask for permission, and get told “it wasn’t mine to begin with”, so I reverse search it again. I do the same with family photos. So you will often see “credit whomever, taken by their grandfather” etc. I especially ask permission when they are shared to a “Private Group” that prohibits sharing of their images publicly. Because tens of, if not hundreds of thousands of the theatres are long gone, the only record of their existence is old photos from outside sources. As we weren’t alive to photograph them ourselves. I personally have removed hundreds of photos when contacted and the research used has proven to have had the wrong credit or source, and the original source then declined permission to post them even with proper credit attributed. Those images can often be found on websites, so just sharing the website link will still allow members to see the images, in the manner the credited source intended them to be seen. Many members post photos with absolutely no credit or history whatsoever. Some of us make a much better effort to credit sources. And again, I remove them when asked to. As do teh Admins I assume when they are contacted directly. Plus there are 5 people ahead of me that have posted 1000-7000 more images than I have, and you only named one of them. So it is odd you would choose this particular theatre to post your one and only comment since joining this site less than a year ago according to your username. Particularly when the subject of “photo sources” is not mentioned in any of the nine comments above for this theatre. It sounds like your issue should be brought to the CT Admins directly, if you feel rights to photos or a lack of permission has taken place on any given photos individually. Because the Admins don’t double check every new comment, on a theatre with minimal hits such as this one. One issue I have is that we are not notified when a comment appears under a photo, so we don’t know the original source has complained, unless they post in the regular comments in instead of or in addition to the comments beneath the photos. No money is being made off the photos that are shared to this website to my knowledge.
TAL, they do remove the word “Demolished” when one is actually not. The highlighted “Closed” box will remain along with teh 1 Screen when they get around to updating the correct address. I’m familiar with how the site works, as I am a 17 year contributor with 11K+ plus photos added. Plus the research and adding of multiple theatres previously unlisted.
IIC said “Yea the top feature was finally removed last year. I think the owner of building was hoping to keep in intact but it became a hazard of falling on someone because it was rotting out.”
Admins: Needs Update Above.
The former Lyric Theatre is NOT demolished. The address is 314 Oak Street. Industrial Impact Corporation has confirmed to me today 1/26/21, that it is still currently in use as their offices.
Credit Steve & Denise Hight who maintain Historical Photos of Fruita & Western Colorado.
Opened as the Star Theater in 1912. Renamed the Liberty Theater in 1919. Renamed Mesa Theater circa 1950, then back to Liberty Theater circa 1974. Below description credit Steve & Denise Hight of Historical Photos of Fruita & Western Colorado, accompanied the circa 1945 photo credit Harold Sanborn added to the gallery.
“Pagosa Springs business district, circa 1945.
The town of Pagosa Springs, embedded in the San Juan National Forest, is the only incorporated municipality in Archuleta County, and is thus the country seat. It has a population of about 2200 people in a county with fewer than 15,000 people. It was named after a sulfurous hot spring, thought to be the world’s deepest, called by the Ute people “Pah gosah,” which means something like “stinky water.”
Harold Sanborn, owner and operator of the Sanborn Souvenir Company of Denver, took this photograph of Pagosa Springs’ business district on one of his countless photographing trips through Colorado, probably in or around 1945. The dates on the license plates are too blurry to make out with certainty –– the one on the right closest to his camera looks like it is dated 194? –– and the film playing at the theater, “Eadie Was a Lady,” starring Ann Miller, was released in January 1945.
Most of the buildings visible in this photo of Pagosa Street are still intact and recognizable today. The street runs southwest at this point. Sanborn was looking west-southwest. From the right, the first building after the liquor store was built in 1912 as the Archuleta Mercantile. The easternmost suite, the portion nearest the viewer, was the Star Theater, while the bulk of the building was given over to the mercantile. After the second of two fires, however, the building was restored and remodeled in 1919, with the Star Theater returning as the Liberty Theater, and the mercantile being replaced by the Metropolitan Hotel. When Sanborn took this photo, both of those establishments were still in business. The hotel no longer exists today, but the Liberty continued under that name until at least 1950. The owner changed its name to the Mesa Theater sometime after 1950, and kept it under that name until he sold it in 1974, sometime after which the old Liberty name was restored. (The theater’s website and the plaque on the building both say the name Liberty Theater has been used continuously since 1919, but “Box Office” magazine, which kept close track of these things, records the sales and name changes. Photos exist of the theater with the Mesa Theater marquee.)
At the time of the photo, between the theater and the hotel sat the Rickelton Drug Store, which also housed the U.S. Post Office. The next building, with the stuccoed, tiered façade, was, and remains still, Jackisch Pharmacy, which opened in 1929. The next couple of building have been replaced since with newer buildings that actually look more in keeping with the others on the street. The three-story brick building, then Hersch’s Piggly Wiggly, a franchised supermarket, still exists. The next four buildings seem to also still exist, but remodeled, and newer buildings have filled the empty lots between them. Finally, crossing Pagosa Street where it turns sharply west, the three buildings, centered by Dee’s Grocery market, also still exist, but have been refaced to look more like a single building. It is the Archuleta County Courthouse."
Crisper version of the 1962 photo posted in 2014. Photo credit Chicago History Museum/Getty Images.
https://photos.com/featured/down-randolph-street-chicago-history-museum.html?fbclid=IwAR2tm7aXf4QHdqGIwerBNVJX9SKgRGj6CLZKczTi5tBich3zjb0nfX6NZX4
Photo credit Chicago History Museum/Getty Images.
https://photos.com/featured/down-randolph-street-chicago-history-museum.html?fbclid=IwAR2tm7aXf4QHdqGIwerBNVJX9SKgRGj6CLZKczTi5tBich3zjb0nfX6NZX4
Circa 1925 photo credit Chicago History Museum/Getty Images.
https://photos.com/featured/mcvickers-theater-chicago-history-museum.html?fbclid=IwAR2O3aTuyumnMKCAAxP3jksWPn-SojybixmHAwh_6XPUaUFs3HB2hBI4zXs
Central Park Theatre marquee in 1966 at 0:55 in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4PVmYUCD0E
Correction: August 5, 1966.
Colonial Theatre promos on the Woods Theatre Building nearing completion 1917/1918. Description in comments.
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/983/photos/332682
Photo credit Private Collection, courtesy Urban Remains. Colonial Theatre promos are of the stage play “The Brat” which ran on Broadway March-July 1917, and was coming to Chicago as of December 1917. Jay Barnes column 2.
https://idnc.library.illinois.edu/?a=d&d=NYC19171226.2.195&e=——-en-20–1–img-txIN———
1931 Yiddish poster added courtesy Noach Hoffman.
This murder story also uses the Capitol tax record photo.
https://medium.com/the-asylum-antiquarian/a-fiendish-murder-the-rhode-island-cold-case-you-never-heard-of-e353771e8bcc
I believe the Capitol Theatre photos, all of them, are correct. The candy store to the right is in several of them, and it was the original corner entrance to the Scenic Theatre. The Capitol entrance moved to the left after the Scenic entrance became the candy store. The tax record photo is also the same photo. Also the remodeling brochure image shows it to be the same Capitol marquee, with candy store to the right next door in that as well.
11/11/69-11/25/69 photo, the run of “The Gypsy Moths” at the State-Lake Theatre.
11/11/69-11/25/69 photo. “Vixen” ran from 2/21/69-12/18/69 at the Loop Theatre.
The marquee will be restored as part of the new Sequoia Drive-In Business Park.
https://thesungazette.com/article/business/2021/01/06/drive-in-sign-to-get-new-look/?fbclid=IwAR1-OtlGRMUctWGBkgGrxNZwyAWbNRR2UyG6wvRP7mI-cV5F-Be_BFu0U_M
Originally posted in the comments by Paul Fortini in 2007.