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Hello to All-
if I am not mistaken its been everyone’s assumption
that the reason the curtains at the Ziegfeld hadn’t
been used in God knows how long was because the
mechanism to open and close them was broken. plus
neither Clearview nor Bow Tie wanted to spend the
money to fix said mechanism. but apparently said
mechanism isn’t broken so why haven’t the curtains
been used in God knows how long?
did I understand correctly that the curtains wereused for the 1st time in God knows how long?
several months back I posted a question and I was
wondering if anyone had any new info. the question
was simple. April 25, 1896 was a pivotal point in
movie history , it was the 1st time movies were
projected on a screen in a theater before a paying
audience. the theater being Koster Bail’s Music
Hall at Bway & 34 St.. now whatever “movie theaters”
existed in Manhattan in the first several years
of the biz were music halls, vaudeville theaters,
legitimate theaters or decent sized unused retail
spaces simply converted to show “flickers”. so
wouldn’t the 1st theater built brick by brick from
the ground up as a “picture house” been made note
of in the press at the time?
the first i was able to find was the Crescent which
was located at 36 W. 135 St. and opened on the nite
of Dec. 16 ,1909.
the reason the Ziegfeld is never “packed” to use
your term no matter how good the film might be is
quite simple- whatever big film opens here also
opens at countless other theaters in Manhattan. and
people naturally go to theaters closest to them.
thanks for the reply to my question. I knew
when the Roxy was closed but had no idea what the
last film was. I had never heard of the “The Wind
Cannot Read” so I naturally assumed it was a B
movie but according to MarkD. that’s not the case.
I had no idea “The Gazebo” was the last big studio
film to debut at the Roxy.
I first posted this question some time ago so
I was wondering if anyone had additional info.
at the point the Roxy was closed the movie biz
was still operating on the A Level, B and even
C Levels of movie production. so what was the
last big A Level studio film to play the Roxy?
i am a tad confused. at the top of this
page there are- Home,Theaters,Photos,Video,
Blog and About. so is just the page denoted
by “Blog” going on hiatus or is the entire
wonderful site going puff?
like Bill H. I hope the film is as good as all
the hype its getting. also I know I will get into
whatever showing I want. the film will be playing
at several other theaters in Manhattan and for
some reason people consider this theater “off the
Hello From NYC-
i have a question for my fellow L.A film buffs.
this theater is the only one of the grand old movie
theaters built in the hayday of such construction
that was as built as a 1st run venue and has continued
to operate as such since the day it opened. so
i was wondering what is the second oldest movie
theater in L.A. that was built from the get go as
a 1st run venue and as continued to operate as
such since the day it opened.
i made a big OPPS! in my last post. i said
Patrick Adriatre would be the only major cast
member of TKAI still with us. so i apologize to
Rita Moreno and Rex Thompson for not including
to Escott N.–
as always thank you for your reply. I just read the
Wikipedia articles on both films and its still
a bit confusing. the site states the 3 songs from
The King and I were just recorded but never actually filmed which is confusing. I remember seeing a
stills montage to go along with what Deborah Kerr
and Marni Nixon recorded for “Shall I Tell…”. so if
there are stills from “Shall I Tell….” doesn’t that
indicate it was actually shot contradicting what
Wikipedia says. i guess the definitive answer would
come from Patrick Adriarte who played the King’s
oldest son who is I believe the only major cast
member of the film still alive.
also the Wikipedia article on Carousel is likewise
confusing. it says the two songs i mentioned were
left out of the release print of the film because
Fox wanted to keep the film at 2hrs. 8mins. they
don’t actually say the songs were never filmed which
leads me to believe the two songs were in fact shot.
I suppose the definitive answer to my query could
be asked of Shirley Jones the only major cast member
of the film still alive.
one of my favorite musicals ever is
The King and I which premiered at this
theater. to which a question. on the
soundtrack album are three tracks/scenes
which never appeared in any release of
the film-a)My Lord and Master sung by
Tuptim, b)Shall I Tell You What I Think
Of You sung by Mrs. Anna and one of the two
duets between Tuptim and Long Tu. now for
devotees of this film- were those 3
tracks recorded but never filmed or were
recorded and filmed but 20th Century Fox
for whatever reason in the post-production
process decided not to use them. it must
have seemed strange at the time for them
to release a soundtrack album with songs
not in the film. you figure they’d only
put songs on the album that were in the
20th Century Fox did this again with
Carousel which also premiered at this
theater in 1956. two songs on the soundtrack
album a)You’re A Queer One Julie Jordan and
b)Stonecutters Cut It In Stone were never
included in any release print of the film.
so like The King and I were these two songs
recorded but never filmed or were they
filmed as well and the footage for whatever
reason was never used.
I always wondered what the comments referred to. I
always assumed it was on the quality of the projection
and sound. so are all the comments about The Master’s
screening at this theater about the film itself or
the projection and sound?
I saw The Master its opening weekend at the
main auditorium of the Village East Cinemas
on 2nd Ave. and 12t St.. the 70MM projection
and sound were first rate. what went wrong at
the Ziegfeld since everyone seems to be
commenting on it.
I do hope Interstellar gives this theater a nice
boost. but is it really necessary to order tickets
in advance? since the studios started opening films
at 2,000-3,000 theaters on the same I don’t think
its necessary. I have found that no matter how well
received a film is critically you know you’ll get
a seat even on Sat. and Sun.. in the past few years
the only time I have seen a substantial crowd was
the day after Christmas 2012 when I saw Les Miserables.
the theater was approx. a 3rd full.
you make a most interesting suggestion in that
CT should have a page devoted just to souvenir
programs. to which i have a question for you.
the prime roadshow period as i have stated was
the October 1955 opening of “Oklahoma” to the
Dec. 1972 opening of “Man of La Mancha”. now i
didn’t go to every such film in that period but
everyone i did go to had a souvenir program. so
here’s my question- during this period the
studios still opened their continuous performance
films in 1 maybe 2 theaters in Manhattan. so
of these films how do you think the studios decided
which would have souvenir programs?
to Howard B. –
i thank you for your take on the statement made
in the doc. and the souvenir program. you have to
admit said statement could have been worded better
since it does give the impression that there
were purpose built movie theaters in Manhattan prior
to the Spring of 1913.
Hello to Escott N.–
I am quite familiar with the costumed characters
in Times Square since I am an avid theater goer.
I am one of those true New Yorkers who never let
Times Square’s decadent “colorful” period phase them.
likewise today I ignore the costumed characters.
so L.A. residents who are turned off by the costumed
characters and crowds etc……….. in front of the
Chinese must have the backbone of a jellyfish. even
in its decadent “colorful period” the big movie
theaters in Times Square still had sell out crowds.
so since the IMAX-ing of the Chinese has gotten
A+ reviews all around for L.A. residents to avoid,
can’t be bothered with the theater because of
the crowds etc….. in front of it well
they’re probably afraid of their own shadow.
I don’t know how many of you subscribe to the page
for the Astor but I have come upon a contradictory
bit of info about the theater that I would like you
I recently watched the Blu-ray disc of Quo Vadis
from 1951 and own the souvenir program. now both
contain a bit of info that doesn’t make sense
hence my question.
both the doc. on the Blu-ray disc and the souvenir
program state something about the 1912 Italian
version of Quo Vadis that doesn’t make sense. both
state that the 1912 Italian version which opened
in New York in 1913 was the 1st feature film to
charge a $1 and the first to open at a legitimate
theater. this would imply whatever feature films
opened in Manhattan previous to the Spring of 1913
opened in actual purpose built “movie theaters”.
so what purpose built movie theaters existed in
Manhattan previous to the Spring of 1913?
Hello from NYC-
I find all the tech talk fascinating, especially
screen aspect ratios. but is my assessment correct
that the IMAX-ing of the Chinese though given an A+
hasn’t really brought in the crowds to the extant
they thought it would?
many many thanks for your reply. I figure if
anyone could answer the question you could. I
didn’t see Circus World in its “in Cinerama”
roadshow run at the Warner Cinerama on 47th St.
I owned the soundtrack album plus I go the
vhs when it came out. admittedly its a corny
hokey film and while not Oscar material I still
found it an enjoyable corny hokey film.
a good film is a good film. an uneven film is
an uneven film and a bad film is a bad film
no matter what city its playing in.
I am sure NYC, San Francisco and Los Angeles
have discriminating moviegoers so if they kept
their city’s roadshow engagements running for
respectively 19,13 and 16 weeks what gives with
D.C.’s 3 weeks? the advance sale being that it
was a John Wayne film , that is was “in Cinerama”
and Samuel Bronston’s talent at over the top
spectacle should have been enough sustain a run
of longer than 3 weeks. so the only guess I can
make is the same as yours- they waited to long
to open its D.C. roadshow run.
from what I have read on this page the IMAX-ing
of the Chinese gets an A+ which prompts an
interesting question. three films opening between
today and Dec. 31 that can really shine in this
theater are Interstellar, MockingJay Pt.1 and
The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies. my question
being simple- it will be interesting to see what
the crowds are like on Sun. afternoon three days
after each film open assuming they play here. I
found quite fascinating a post on this site made
last Nov. 2013. a poster and friends went to a
Sun. afternoon showing of Catching Fire only three
days after the film opened and were shocked that
the theater at the most maybe 20% filled.
to Mark D.–
thanks for your reply. it certainly says it all.
people how decry the demolishing of grand movie
palaces react as if some big orge is specifically
targeting grand old movie palaces. the same thing
happened with San Francisco’s The Fox which was
as large as beloved as the Roxy. it was torn
down in 1963 since it had become a huge financial
liability which could simply not make it as a
single screen movie theater because it was to
to Al A.–
you have always been most kind to help me with
my inquiries so I have a good one.I hope you don’t
mind me posting it on this page since I have
no idea what page would be best. do you know of
a site that would convert 1916 dollars to 2014
dollars? the reason i ask is simple. as you know
at least 50% of feature films from the silent era
are lost. one HUGE film from that era I have always
wished would be found is A Daughter of the Gods
from 1916 starring Annette Kellerman. it cost
a cool $1,000,000 the 1st American film to do
so. so I always wondered what that $1,000,000
of 1916 would be in 2014 dollars.