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Joe Vogel commented about Strand Theater on Sep 25, 2010 at 1:02 am

The Dodd of the architecutral firm Dodd & Cobb was William J. Dodd, who later moved to California, where he designed the Kinema Theatre in Los Angeles.

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Joe Vogel commented about Alhambra Theatre on Sep 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm

John: I see that Carlson & Wiseman is already listed in the “Firm” field, and now that I’ve cited a source for attribution, Arthur G. Carlson will probably be listed in the “Architect” field, eventually. I try to post my comments during hours when they are most likely to be seen by one of the site’s moderators (Ken Roe is often online updating pages when it’s early in the morning my time, as he’s usually in London), but apparently nobody saw the comments I made this morning.

The “Architect” field on Cinema Treasures pages is set up to list by surname alphabetically, so if Carlson is added to this page his name would appear before Lamb’s. Quite often, though, on other pages an architect who remodeled a theater gets listed first, simply because the original architect’s name starts with a later letter of the alphabet.

It would probably require a extensive changes to the site’s code to create separate fields for original architects and later architects who only did remodeling jobs. I’m not sure that such a change would be the best thing to do, anyway. In some cases remodeling jobs were so extensive that they obliterated much, most, or virtually all of the original design, making the architect of the remodeling the de facto primary architect of the theater as most people knew it. I don’t know if Patrick and Ross have any plans for an overhaul of the site’s code, but I know that any such project would be complex and costly, so I’m not really expecting it. I know that the site’s resources are limited.

For now, I’d say the best policy is probably the one already in use; to list in their appropriate fields all architects and firms who did some significant work on a theater, but to also include their names in the description of the theater, along with whatever information is available about how much or how little each contributed to the design during each period of a theater’s history. Descriptions at Cinema Treasures do get updated as new information becomes available, but with so many theaters listed, and so few moderators on the site to do the rewrites, that can take a long time.

I’ve sometimes wondered if a Wiki might help speed up the process. A Wiki, not for the general public but for members, or maybe even only those members who ask to be involved, could provide a good-sized pool of people to update the descriptions (preferably with sourced information), and do it out of public view. Then the moderators could inspect the updated descriptions on the Wiki each day, and decide whether or not to put a particular rewrite onto that theater’s regular public page. Adding a Wiki would be a considerable amount of work, and some expense, of course, but the gains might be worth it.

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Joe Vogel commented about New Delancey Theatre on Sep 24, 2010 at 4:11 am

The 1993 NYCLPC Landmark Designation Report for the Jaffe Theatre (now City Cinemas Village East) listed the Delancey Theatre, 62 Delancey Street, among the other Manhattan works of architect Harrison G. Wiseman. The report gives the Delancey’s build date as 1922.

Two additional Manhattan theaters by Wiseman are either not yet listed at Cinema Treasures, or are listed under later names but are missing their aka’s. These two are a nickelodeon called the Penn Theatre (1910) at 409 8th Avenue (demolished); and the Union Theatre (1913) at 505 W. 42nd Street (also demolished.)

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Joe Vogel commented about Lido Theatre on Sep 24, 2010 at 4:05 am

The 1993 NYCLPC Landmark Designation Report for the Jaffe Theatre (now City Cinemas Village East) listed the Bluebird Theatre among the other Manhattan works of architect Harrison G. Wiseman.

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Joe Vogel commented about Alhambra Theatre on Sep 24, 2010 at 4:00 am

Here are two photos showing the exterior and auditorium of the Alhambra Theatre, from the January, 1918, issue of the trade journal Architecture and Building.

The caption attributes the design to architect Arthur G. Carlson alone, though he was in partnership with Harrison Wiseman from about 1915 until about 1926, during the period the Alhambra opened.

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Joe Vogel commented about Endicott Performing Arts Center on Sep 24, 2010 at 3:47 am

Here are two photographs of the Lyric Theatre from the January, 1918, issue of the trade journal Architecture and Building. The architect of the Lyric was Giles P. Greene, and the engineer was Elwyn E. Seelye, co-founder of this venerable engineering firm. Seelye wrote an article about concrete theater construction for the same issue of the magazine. Here is the section of it that describes the Lyric:[quote]“Because of the difficulty in getting structural steel two of the theatres which are illustrated in this issue are built with reinforced concrete and the balcony framing has been carried out in this material.

“The Lyric Theatre at Endicott, N. Y., is the first example of this type of construction. The building is at present built for moving picture use only but provision is made in the plan to add a stage. The proscenium opening has been constructed, the opening being at present closed in with a temporary tile wall which is plastered and which now serves as a picture screen. The stage house can be built at any time hereafter without interrupting the business of the theatre except for the short operation of tearing out the temporary enclosure of the proscenium opening. The facade of the structure is a non-bearing wall of brick. The side walls are built with reinforced concrete columns which carry the roof trusses, tile blocks being laid up between the columns. The roof is non-fireproof but the ceiling of the theatre is covered with metal ceiling.

“The feature of the construction is the balcony. This has a clear span between walls of 52 feet 4 inches. The construction consists of a reinforced concrete girder system with diagonal girders forming a figure K in plan. The arms of the K support cantilever girders as shown in the plan. This system of framing eliminates the use of large cantilever girders and reduces the moment on the .main girder. The cross girders and cantilever girders are framed over the main girder and are an integral part of the girder. The main girder which is 1 foot, 4 inches in width and 6 feet, 3 inches in depth is figured to carry a live and dead load of 210 tons. It is reinforced with 16 one-and-a-quarter-inch rods and 110 stirrups. The slab of the gallery is a cylindrical surface composed of reinforced concrete joists with clay tile fillers supported on the main girder. The steps are formed of cinder concrete floor fill with a cement finish for holding the seats. The balcony seats 336.

“The location of the projection room in the mezzanine under the upper portion of the balcony makes possible almost right angle projection of the pictures on the screen which gives the minimum of distortion. The location of this room is clearly seen in the illustration of the interior on plate 22. Provision has been made to convert the space before the projection booth into two boxes by the use of a removable section of rail, if a legitimate performance is given in the house. Giles P. Greene is the architect of this building, Elwyn E. Seelye the structural engineer and the contractors the Architectural Contracting Company.”[/quote]This building is remarkably plain for a theater of the period. Compared to the ornate theaters other architects were designing, Green’s Lyric seems quite severe.

There’s next to nothing about architect Giles P. Greene on the Internet. He was apparently a 1911 graduate of Yale, was from Honesdale, Pennsylvania, and designed the base for a WWI monument in Brooklyn. I can’t find anything about any other buildings he designed. Maybe he died young, before architectural tastes shifted to favor the relative austerity he displayed in the Lyric.

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Joe Vogel commented about Arena Theatre on Sep 23, 2010 at 6:33 am

According to the January, 1918, issue of the trade journal Architecture and Building, the Arena Theatre was designed by the firm of Eisendrath & Horwitz.

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Joe Vogel commented about Greenwich Theatre on Sep 23, 2010 at 6:31 am

According to the January, 1918, issue of the trade journal Architecture and Building, the Village Theatre was designed by the firm of Eisendrath & Horwitz.

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Joe Vogel commented about Globe Theatre on Sep 23, 2010 at 5:27 am

When I began exploring downtown Los Angeles in the early 1960s, the bus I took to the depot at 6th and Main ran along Los Angeles Street, and I must have passed by the Globe’s building, at the southeast corner of 5th, more than a hundred times. I probably walked through this intersection fewer than a dozen times, though, as it was the heart of skid row.

I have only a vague memory of the building, which seemed a typical business block of the late 19th-early 20th century. It gave no clue to its former life as a movie theater. But I do remember the business in the corner shop, at 200 E. 5th. It was the Victory Liquor Store, and in those days underage would-be drinkers would go the east 5th Street and pay one of its denizens to buy them a bottle. The Victory was the place the purchases were most often made. That accounts for the majority of my pedestrian visits to the area.

Some daring souls made solo booze runs to the neighborhood, but I was not among them. I always went with friends. Waiting for whoever had spotted us as hooch hunters and offered to buy a bottle of Smirnoff or Ronrico for us, we would usually stroll along 5th Street, passing right by what had once been the entrance to the Globe, and none of us ever had a clue that it had ever existed. I suppose we were too busy keeping an eye out for the squad cars that came by far too frequently.

Once our skid row personal shopper had delivered our illicit bottle and collected his payment, we’d scram as fast as possible, unaware of the theatrical history to which we’d been so close: 1908’s most beautiful motion picture theater in the state!

I’ve checked the 1963 City Directory to see if a listing gave any indication about what might have occupied the theater’s space then. 202 E. 5th is listed as the Golden Gate Cafe. I don’t know if it occupied the theater’s auditorium or not. The frontage of the building had been converted to nondescript storefronts, and the next two addresses were probably also in the former theater’s building. 204 E. 5th was occupied by one H.H. Kemp, and 208 was listed as the Veterans Club. There was no listing for 206. I wonder if the Veterans Club could have occupied the Globe’s auditorium? Perhaps there are some veterans around who remember.

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Joe Vogel commented about Bay Ridge Theatre on Sep 23, 2010 at 5:09 am

This is from an item datelined Brooklyn, in the trade journal Engineering & Contracting, issue of June 9, 1915: “Robert T. Rasmussen, architect… will let contracts at once for a 3-story, 88x169-ft theater here for the Bay Ridge Theater Corp…. estimated to cost $200,000.”

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Joe Vogel commented about State Theater on Sep 23, 2010 at 4:20 am

A 1917 book called Past and Present of Adams County provides this information about early movie theaters in Hastings:[quote]“The first moving pictures exhibited in Hastings was during the street fair of 1899. The first moving picture theater was opened at 214 North Hastings Avenue, the present location of the clothing store of Harry Proffitt, by Fred Hayter, associated with Mrs. C. S. Epley, the present proprietor of the New Edison. This theater was called The Nickel and the opening date was June 3, 1907. Mr. Hayter continued in the business about two years and then went to California where he was engaged in the same business. In the fall of 1916, he purchased the Plaza, which is the continuation of his original house.

“The Brach Theater was erected by William Brach and is the first elaborate, exclusive moving picture theater to be erected in Hastings. The house was opened October 8, 1916. Charles A. Beghtol is the proprietor.

“Next to the Plaza, the Wonderland is the oldest moving picture house in Hastings. It was opened at the present location on Second Street about a year and a half after the opening of the Nickel, by B. F. Livengood who managed the house for an Omaha man. For about two years the Gay Brothers, Stanley C. Gay and Sidney F. Gay were the proprietors. It was bought from the Gay brothers by W. A. Walden who was the owner for several years. Since the spring of 1916 Mrs. Walden has been the owner of the Wonderland.”[/quote]As no addresses are given for the New Edison and the Wonderland, it’s possible that either name could have been an aka for the State (the Brach was later the Strand.) The photo of the State linked in Lost Memory’s comment near the top of this page show that it was in a fairly old building. Maybe somebody with access to old directories or newspapers for Hastings could check to see if either the New Edison or the Wonderland shared an address with the State.

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Joe Vogel commented about Strand Theatre on Sep 23, 2010 at 4:07 am

The Adams County Historical Society provides this web page with information about the Strand. There are also two photos.

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Joe Vogel commented about Rivoli 3 Theatre on Sep 23, 2010 at 3:57 am

A brief history of the Rivoli, and two photos, can be seen on this web page from the Adams County Historical Society. It says that in 1995 the
Alexandria Hotel portion of the complex in which the the Rivoli was located was demolished to make way for the additional screens of the current Rivoli 3.

The Kilgen organ from the Rivoli was installed in the Mayfair Triplex, West New York, NJ, in 1998. There are no longer any movielistings for the Mayfair on the Internet, so it probably closed earlier this year. There’s no word on what will become of the organ now if the theater doesn’t reopen. Maybe the Rivoli could get it back?

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Joe Vogel commented about Lyceum Theatre on Sep 22, 2010 at 3:09 am

This was the Los Angeles Theatre listed in the 1897-98 Cahn guide. The Orpheum in the guide was the former Grand Opera House on Main Street, in later years later renamed the Grand Theatre. In 1903, the Los Angeles Theatre became the Orpheum, which it remained until the circuit opened its new Orpheum Theatre on Broadway in 1911.

If a theater called the Los Angeles is listed in editions of Cahn’s guide from the years around 1907-1910, it would be the theater listed at Cinema Treasures as the Capitol.

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Joe Vogel commented about Filmarte Theatre on Sep 22, 2010 at 2:43 am

The Filmarte’s career as a movie house ended by 1952. Daily Variety of July 14, 1952, reported that Fox West Coast Theatres had leased the Filmarte Theatre to a “telepix producer.” That was most likely Columbia’s television subsidiary, Screen Gems, which produced Art Linkletter’s “House Party” for television.

IMDb says that Linkletter’s show aired from CBS Television City, but that must have been in later years. Television City didn’t begin operating until November 16, 1952, and “House Party” had begun airing on September 1 that same year, so it most likely aired from the Filmarte from its first show until some time no later than 1962, when Steve Allen’s syndicated nightly show began using the venue.

The Filmarte had aka’s of Art Linkletter Playhouse and Steve Allen Playhouse during its TV studio years, but of course never operated as a movie theater under those names. I’m not sure if the house continued in use for television after Allen’s show was canceled in 1964.

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Joe Vogel commented about Montalban Theatre on Sep 22, 2010 at 2:24 am

Bob Feigel: Yes, the Filmarte is gone. The building now on the Filmarte’s’s site was erected in 1993. I don’t know what became of the salami imprint.

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Joe Vogel commented about Montalban Theatre on Sep 21, 2010 at 3:49 am

Bob Feigel: The theater from which Steve Allen’s show was televised was the old Filmarte Theatre, a few blocks south at 1228 Vine Street. In the 1950s it was also the venue for Art Linkletter’s show.

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Joe Vogel commented about Lyceum Theatre on Sep 21, 2010 at 3:18 am

The Los Angeles Herald of September 3, 1905, ran an article about Los Angeles architects. It credited the design of the original Los Angeles Theatre (by then called the Orpheum) to architect J. Lee Burton.

Burton was one of Southern California’s most successful architects in his day, designing many buildings in the then-popular Romanesque Revival and Queen Anne styles. He used an odd and rather awkward hybrid of the two for the Los Angeles Theatre.

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Joe Vogel commented about Tally's Broadway Theatre on Sep 21, 2010 at 2:59 am

The January 2, 1910, issue of the Los Angeles Herald said that architects Train & Williams had been engaged to draw the plans for Thomas Tally’s new theater on Broadway adjacent to the Majestic Theatre.

A few years later, Train & Williams designed the Hyman Theatre (aka Garrick) at 8th and Broadway, across the street and up the block from Tally’s Broadway, so there were two Train & Williams-designed theaters on this block until the Garrick was demolished in 1927. The firm also designed the Strand Theatre in Pasadena, which has also long since been demolished.

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Joe Vogel commented about Cine Latino on Sep 21, 2010 at 2:42 am

The January, 1913, issue of the trade journal The Architect and Engineer of California said that architect William H. Crim had designed the new Wigwam Theatre that was to be built in San Francisco’s Mission District.

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Joe Vogel commented about Odeon Islington on Sep 21, 2010 at 2:38 am

The July 5, 1913,issue of the trade journal The Moving Picture World ran an article, the first few paragraphs of which dealt with the Angel Theatre. It is available online here, at Google Books.

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Joe Vogel commented about Madison Theatre on Sep 21, 2010 at 2:00 am

The tire store mentioned in the intro is in a modern building, not the former Madison Theatre. The Madison was located across the street. Comparing the ca.1940 photo I linked to against the modern Google Street View, you can see that the building that was next door to the Madison is still there. The Madison’s site has been a parking lot for fifty years.

I’m not sure the Grand Opera House opened in the 1890s. It might have been earlier. The 1897 edition of Cahn’s Guide is the earliest available to me. The caption of the photo I linked to only says that the opera house was in a building from the 1850s that originally housed a church. It doesn’t give the year it was converted into the opera house.

Given the fact that the non-curchlike facade was probably built as part of the conversion into an opera house, and that its style is the Italianate that was popular through the 1870s but went out of fashion in most places during the 1880s, it seems quite possible that the Grand Opera House opened in the 1870s, and probable that it was in operation by the late 1880s.

Concerning the address, it should be 224 West Main Street. Madison has an eccentric street numbering system. On the east side of town, odd numbers are on the north sides of streets, and on the west side odd numbers are on the south sides of streets. The Madison Theatre was on the north side of Main on the west side of town, so it had an even number.

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Joe Vogel commented about Ohio Theatre on Sep 21, 2010 at 1:55 am

Here’s an item from The Moving Picture World of August 17, 1915:

“The Little Grand, Madison, Ind., has the white brick front about completed.”
In the first two of the photos Wallyum linked to above, white brick can be seen on the Ohio’s facade where some of the modern siding is missing. Face brick of that sort was no longer popular when the theater was rebuilt in 1938, so it is probably the original brick of 1915. The part of the side wall seen in the first photo is obviously pretty old, and is probably a common wall shared with the building next door. There’s probably a common wall on the other side as well. The auditorium can be seen in satellite photos to be wider than the entrance building.

The question is, was the Little Grand’s auditorium on the same footprint as the Ohio’s? If it was, chances are that the Ohio was built entirely inside the shell of the Little Grand after the fire. From what I’ve read here and at other web sites I’ve had the impression that the Ohio was entirely new construction, but it would have been very odd for that white brick facade to have been used on a building erected in 1938, so most likely the front survives from the Little Grand.

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Joe Vogel commented about Ohio Theatre on Sep 20, 2010 at 8:58 am

MusicForMovies: I’ve found that the Grand Theatre and the Little Grand Theatre were different houses. The Grand was originally called the Grand Opera House and had opened in the 19th century. It was later renamed the Grand Theatre (possibly around 1928), and finally became the Madison Theatre, probably in 1940. It was demolished in 1960. Here is its Cinema Treasures page.

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Joe Vogel commented about Little Grand Theatre on Sep 20, 2010 at 8:35 am

I’ve finally puzzled this out. The Grand Theatre is already listed here as the Madison Theatre. It never burned down. The theater that burned— whether it burned in 1928, 1936, or 1937— was always called the Little Grand Theatre, and this page should be changed to reflect that.

The organ mentioned in the current intro was undoubtedly installed not in the Little Grand, but in the Grand.